New Soundtoys Plugin! - Juice

[Pale Pyramid]

Originally Posted by traumerei1838

Or maybe show us a picture of a blanket.

Kid , that's mad funny

[Shaman]

Originally Posted by traumerei1838

I wish they'd at least chime in every now and then and tell us what they had for breakfast. Or maybe show us a picture of a blanket. All this anticipation of digital warmth is actually giving me the chills. I need a hug. A Sound Toys hug.

Well then I need a hug from digidesign too.

[Pale Pyramid]

you can head over to the Avid web site for that hug . but , no matter how much you search you might not find it .

[gearfreak]

Hi Kevin, I´m interested in your plugins but I´m annoyed by the iCrap.. eh iLok thing.
Is it possible to consider to drop it. I mean if somebody is going to steal your plugins the whole bundle can be downloaded within a minute, so there´s really no protection at all..
I would buy Decapitator (and probably Juice) immediately with simple serial number.

Thanks for considering this.

[HYX]

Oh wow, just saw this. Looks very promising indeed. I just love Decapitator :D

[traumerei1838]

Originally Posted by gearfreak

Hi Kevin, I´m interested in your plugins but I´m annoyed by the iCrap.. eh iLok thing.
Is it possible to consider to drop it. I mean if somebody is going to steal your plugins the whole bundle can be downloaded within a minute, so there´s really no protection at all..
I would buy Decapitator (and probably Juice) immediately with simple serial number.

Thanks for considering this.

Hi Kevin. Could you please start a fundraiser on your website to raise 40 dollars for this guy so he can afford an iLok. And would you please make all the knobs on your plug-ins look like Caramellos and Ferrero Rocher so my kids can learn it easier.
Thank you for making some of the most reliable and reasonably priced plug-ins on the market. I hope Juice takes a squirt all over the Slate VCC.
dfegadVCC

[markham]

Originally Posted by traumerei1838

I hope Juice takes a squirt all over the Slate VCC.
dfegadVCC

wow, that seems a bit harsh to me.
isn't it enough to hope that they *both* sound great and do well, without wishing for someone's demise?

[traumerei1838]

I hope everybody wins!

[K-Slash]

Originally Posted by markham

wow, that seems a bit harsh to me.
isn't it enough to hope that they *both* sound great and do well, without wishing for someone's demise?

Added to that, VCC is different from Juice.

Not the same concept at all.

[rrraaalllfff]

Originally Posted by K-Slash

VCC is different from Juice.

Not the same concept at all.

How so? Of course they may sound way different from each other, but I fail to see how these are totally different, conceptually. It's not like one's an eq and the other's a compressor. Enlighten me how comparing these two is so off base...

cheers

[K-Slash]

Originally Posted by rrraaalllfff

How so? Of course they may sound way different from each other, but I fail to see how these are totally different, conceptually. It's not like one's an eq and the other's a compressor. Enlighten me how comparing these two is so off base...

cheers

Well, VCC is 2 plugins, one for the channels and one for the mixbuss. It's aiming at emulating the sound of the whole mixing console. Meaning that it's purpose is to bring analog-like summing in our DAWs. Like if you were summing in a big analog console.

Whereas Juice is "just" an analog input channel modeling plug-in. As it's written on SoundToys' blog. It does not aim at recreating the sound of the whole console for that analog-like summing.

[rrraaalllfff]

Originally Posted by K-Slash

Well, VCC is 2 plugins, one for the channels and one for the mixbuss. It's aiming at emulating the sound of the whole mixing console. Meaning that it's purpose is to bring analog-like summing in our DAWs. Like if you were summing in a big analog console.

Whereas Juice is "just" an analog input channel modeling plug-in. As it's written on SoundToys' blog. It does not aim at recreating the sound of the whole console for that analog-like summing.

Thanks for your reply. I guess observing both I focused more on similarities rather than differences. Both are not an analog console, but a plugin. Both emulate analog channels. What impacts the sound and is shared by both is a drive knob and a knob for choosing "api-ish" or "neve-ish" or "ssl-ish" or whatever. Both are subtle. Where, when, and how to use them follow similar thought processes apparently. And so on...
But as I said, I may be looking at the same thing with a different focus. Differences vs similarities. Glass half-full half-empty kinda thing.
cheers

[gearfreak]

Originally Posted by traumerei1838

Hi Kevin. Could you please start a fundraiser on your website to raise 40 dollars for this guy so he can afford an iLok.

Thanks but money is not a problem, it´s the concept and non-convenience and non-protection and general annoyance of iCraplok.

[Shaman]

I see Waves releasing a summing plugin right away
without any pre release discussion
and getting all of Soundtoys and Slate´s
dough in one go.

Remain silent,fight,win
instead of bla,bla,bla

[K-Slash]

Originally Posted by Shaman

I see Waves releasing a summing plugin right away
without any pre release discussion
and getting all of Soundtoys and Slate´s
dough in one go.

Remain silent,fight,win
instead of bla,bla,bla

Yeah, why not. That could be a good surprise.

[bishop666]

Here's how Waves will do it:


They sample Slate's VCC and put that in a convolution plug and sell the whole "accuratley super premium highest end modell" for 1399$ each console. All console package for introductory price of 4999$.

What you get is another lame Waves plug plus endless marketing bombardment.

[CaliTone]

Originally Posted by gearfreak

Hi Kevin, I´m interested in your plugins but I´m annoyed by the iCrap.. eh iLok thing.
Is it possible to consider to drop it. I mean if somebody is going to steal your plugins the whole bundle can be downloaded within a minute, so there´s really no protection at all..
I would buy Decapitator (and probably Juice) immediately with simple serial number.

Thanks for considering this.

No! Don't drop iLok. I work on multiple systems and need to be able to use my plugins wherever the hell I want. Not sure why there's iLok haters. I don't know why a company would allow you to just enter a serial number when you can just give the serial number to all your buddies and they use the plugin for free. At least with iLok, when I'm done working on someone else's system, I take my iLok with me and they can't use the plugin unless they have their own license. The benefits of iLok far outweigh the benefits or convenience of any challenge response/ serial number crap. Let's not get into the "what if your ilok fails" or "what if I lose my iLok" because that's been done to death. Treat your iLok like you would a vintage U47 and you won't have any problems.

[ignatius]

i've had a back and forth w/various companies who use iLok as copy protection and basically it ends up w/them saying "sorry you feel that way".

which is a bummer. i think iloks are fine if you have it plugged into a desktop and never leave your studio.. but when it comes to using one on a laptop and traveling... it's a PITA since they break/get lost/stolen etc and that's a bummer and iLok's ZDT is a joke. i think it'd be great if that when you bought some plugs that use iLok that they would allow a serial install for one other computer (a laptop) as well as the iLok auth for the desktop. that way i wouldn't have to worry about someone walking off w/my iLok when playing live etc...

but that's just my thoughts and probably a thread derail will follow but it's a moot point since we all know the answer is a big fat "sorry you feel that way" from software manufacturers.

[gearfreak]

Originally Posted by CaliTone

I don't know why a company would allow you to just enter a serial number when you can just give the serial number to all your buddies and they use the plugin for free.

Well, as it is now, ´those buddies´ don´t even need serial number, just download and install it..

But anyway, it could be both: iLok and serial number.

[CaliTone]

I think iLok and a serial number would be a good idea for those that don't like to use iLok. I know some people won't buy a software that needs iLok. I'm the exact opposite though. I won't buy a plugin unless I can have my license on my iLok because I go from my home studio to the commercial studio quite a bit.

Again, as far as worrying if it gets lost, stolen, or accidentally broken. Treat it like a vintage U47 and you won't have any issues.

[markham]

Originally Posted by CaliTone

Again, as far as worrying if it gets lost, stolen, or accidentally broken. Treat it like a vintage U47 and you won't have any issues.

a vintage U47 is not made out of cheap, crappy plastic that sticks out to a ridiculous length and has a totally stupid (and useless) "ring" on the left side to make it look like a "cute" key.

just sayin'.

but, i do really love the iLok concept. I'm a big fan. I just think the physical keys are absolute pieces of crap. I mean, the design and manufacturing on them is a total joke.

[CaliTone]

Originally Posted by markham

a vintage U47 is not made out of cheap, crappy plastic that sticks out to a ridiculous length and has a totally stupid (and useless) "ring" on the left side to make it look like a "cute" key.

just sayin'.

but, i do really love the iLok concept. I'm a big fan. I just think the physical keys are absolute pieces of crap. I mean, the design and manufacturing on them is a total joke.

I'm not going to argue with you regards to what they're made of. But my point with treating it like a Vintage U47 is was directed to those who say it sucks because you can lose it. However, if you have $6k worth of licenses on that iLok, you shouldn't be treating it like a piece of crap plastic. Meaning, you should know where that iLok is every second so you don't lose it. Sure the things going to break if you have it connected to a laptop or somewhere where someone can easily kick it. But if it breaks, you send it to iLok, they replace it with a new one and your licenses and you're good to go. Sure there will be downtime, but there's downtime if a computer goes down. Or the tube on a mic goes out, or... you know what I mean. In any case, I love the iLok and appreciate the fact that I can take it and all my iLoked plugins anywhere I go.

[mattyc]

just stick your ilok in a portable robust case, along with a hard drive, cubase dongle and UAD laptop card etc thumbsup

agreed that they could make the iloks themselves a bit tougher though

[markham]

Originally Posted by CaliTone

I'm not going to argue with you regards to what they're made of. But my point with treating it like a Vintage U47 is was directed to those who say it sucks because you can lose it. However, if you have $6k worth of licenses on that iLok, you shouldn't be treating it like a piece of crap plastic. Meaning, you should know where that iLok is every second so you don't lose it. Sure the things going to break if you have it connected to a laptop or somewhere where someone can easily kick it. But if it breaks, you send it to iLok, they replace it with a new one and your licenses and you're good to go. Sure there will be downtime, but there's downtime if a computer goes down. Or the tube on a mic goes out, or... you know what I mean. In any case, I love the iLok and appreciate the fact that I can take it and all my iLoked plugins anywhere I go.

I'm with you, man. Totally.

[ignatius]

iLok's are certainly convenient for a lot of people who go from place to place and need the licenses handy. makes perfect sense for a lot of reasons.

i wouldn't say "take away the ilok". that'd be dumb. i just want another option and i'd like to be able to install on my desktop and laptop and not have a dongle. period. i don't think it's asking too much. lot's of manufacturers do it. i'd even pay an extra (reasonable) "laptop fee".

i think saying "treat it like a U47" is a copout.

first, i wouldn't take a U47 to live gig.. i do take my laptop... i wouldn't take a U47 to the coffee shop.. i do take my laptop.. i wouldn't take a U47 on a plane... i do take my laptop... etc etc..

plus, even U47's do break or need a rebuild at some point in their lives... and a dumb intern will knock over a mic now and then or uh.. step on your priceless dongle or brush it walking by etc..

it's naive to say "just be real careful" and expect that to be enough.

[traumerei1838]

Originally Posted by CaliTone

No! Don't drop iLok. I work on multiple systems and need to be able to use my plugins wherever the hell I want. Not sure why there's iLok haters. I don't know why a company would allow you to just enter a serial number when you can just give the serial number to all your buddies and they use the plugin for free. At least with iLok, when I'm done working on someone else's system, I take my iLok with me and they can't use the plugin unless they have their own license. The benefits of iLok far outweigh the benefits or convenience of any challenge response/ serial number crap. Let's not get into the "what if your ilok fails" or "what if I lose my iLok" because that's been done to death. Treat your iLok like you would a vintage U47 and you won't have any problems.

Exactly. I actually didn't even care about the iLok topic but I just got a new computer and have been reinstalling everything over the weekend.
Can I please tell you that I loathe the NI service center! WTF is that?
I just popped my iLok in my new computer and those plugs were good to go.
Monkey pee. dfegad

[traumerei1838]

I use JUICE!

[mike1k]

Originally Posted by traumerei1838

I use JUICE!

[Steab]

So many people are confused about decapitator.
Decapitator is an analog sounding DISTORTION (+filters) plugin.
Juice will be a SATURATION and COLORATION plugin, emulating famous analog circuits.

Curious to see how it'll hold up against vcc.

[Protoolie]

Any more news on how far they are along in the development of Juice.
Before Christmas??