Nuendo outboard gear auto latency comp? does it really work ?

Seti808 · 14th November 2005

Example = I got some drum tracks recorded to disk.

I want to send them out my daw via lynx aes 16 into the crane song spider (for a little tape emulation)
then back to the computer.

There will be a certain amount of latency it took to do the round trip.

This were using Nuendo's outboard gear auto latency compensation should automatically fix the delay quick and easy.

I have read the manuel and searched the forum but I can't get it to work, anyone successfully using this feature in Nuendo?

aaronsternke · 14th November 2005

Yeah, it works. You gotta "PING" the outboard gear to calculate the delay, then it compensates for it. Woohoo!

Aaron

zvenx · 14th November 2005

don't have a crane, but use nuendo with other external devices and once you set up the latency properly when you first add the hardware (using a ping test), works like a charm.
rsp

De chromium cob · 14th November 2005

It not only works, it kicks ass!......

Seti808 · 14th November 2005

Ok I will try again

kittonian · 15th November 2005

I use this feature every day. The only thing I've found (and although the people on the Nuendo forum will say differently) is that each time you change your buffer setting it is a good idea to re-ping the outboard gear. For some reason it tightens everything up for me. Just remember that if you are going to be using outboard effects like verbs and delays to always set them to dry before pinging. Otherwise it can't calculate the delay time accurately.

Works like a charm and actually allows you to be a console-less studio with great analog outboard gear. I love it!

Higgs · 15th November 2005

Cubase SX3 has this feature too doesn't it?

blaugruen7 · 15th November 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Higgs

Cubase SX3 has this feature too doesn't it?

yes

robdarling · 16th November 2005

use it every day works like a charm.

Once you "ping" the device, can store its routing and latency as a preset, and just bring it into your connections setup from a menu with one step.

Mark Warren · 18th November 2005

Does the new Sonar 5 have this feature? Anyone have any luck using outboard gear with any version of Sonar in this manner?

jeronimo · 19th November 2005

Damn, gotta get SX 3.....

theblotted · 23rd November 2005

is this at all possible with Logic? cuz right now i have to nudge the delay forward by ear for tightness... and it's a real pain!

wilkinswp · 11th April 2006

Resurrecting this old post here. Really want to know if Sonar 4 or 5 has this function. Anyone know?

crypticglobe · 11th April 2006

As far as I know... only Cubase SX 3.x and Nuendo 3.x have this. And yes.. it works REALLY well. I use it all the time. :D

Brad McGowan · 11th April 2006

Sucks not to be a Cubase/Nuendo user.

I too am using this feature every session. Why would anyone desiring to use outboard in their mix screw with a DAW that can't do this?

Cubase makes PTLE look like a sad joke.

Brad

wilkinswp · 11th April 2006

Well if Sonar can't do this or won't be able to in the near future, I'll have to jump ship to a new program. . . does Samplitude do it?

slaves666 · 11th April 2006

This is the only feature that I use in Nuendo 3 over 2. I have 2 LA4A's and a distressor that I run as effects. Amazing.....

PT people have to re-record the track with the effect, which is time consuming and you can't undo.

Jason Poulin · 11th April 2006

How about when you add two plugs on top of each other...

lets say a Pultec and then a Distressor...

??

can it be done in 1 trip or does it has to go out (pultec) and then back in and back out again for the distressor? Or, can it only be done via patchbay???

thanks

Jason

jarbar · 11th April 2006

I'm not sure how you "ping" your outboard gear in Cubase SX3.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks a bunch

captain caveman · 11th April 2006

When you set up your external effects you set the inputs and outputs and give them names.

After that you insert them in tracks just the same as any other plug.

So yes, you can have multiple effects in the one track.

Jason Poulin · 11th April 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain caveman

When you set up your external effects you set the inputs and outputs and give them names.

After that you insert them in tracks just the same as any other plug.

So yes, you can have multiple effects in the one track.

Ok... but what I am asking is,,, doesn't this process work on two round trips for conversion?

If you run your first effect as a reverb, than it has to come back in right?

then your second effect is a compressor... it has to recieve the signal that has effect #1 on it in order to be part of the chain... so... therefore

Effect # 1 goes out and then back in so that it can pass on to effect #2... and so on.

If I had an EQ, Comp, EQ, Limiter on a track.... the first EQ will be in it's fourth stage of conversion when it reaches the limiter?

does it work this way?

I use a patchbay for this and only send it out once but... I was just wondering this possibility.

Thanks

Jason

Brad McGowan · 12th April 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarbar

I'm not sure how you "ping" your outboard gear in Cubase SX3.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks a bunch

Once you setup the external FX and have the plugin window open for this effect, you simply hit the ping button. I forgot what it looks like, but it's next to the bypass button I think and is orange if I recall. It will then automatically set a latency that it needs to compensate for...look for something around 2ms.

Brad

Brad McGowan · 12th April 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Poulin

Ok... but what I am asking is,,, doesn't this process work on two round trips for conversion?

If you run your first effect as a reverb, than it has to come back in right?

then your second effect is a compressor... it has to recieve the signal that has effect #1 on it in order to be part of the chain... so... therefore

Effect # 1 goes out and then back in so that it can pass on to effect #2... and so on.

If I had an EQ, Comp, EQ, Limiter on a track.... the first EQ will be in it's fourth stage of conversion when it reaches the limiter?

does it work this way?

I use a patchbay for this and only send it out once but... I was just wondering this possibility.

Thanks

Jason

Yes it would be two round trips through conversion unless you make a connection via your patchbay. I personally would just patch it if you know ahead of time you are going to have a specific analog chain.

Brad

Jason Poulin · 12th April 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad McGowan

Yes it would be two round trips through conversion unless you make a connection via your patchbay. I personally would just patch it if you know ahead of time you are going to have a specific analog chain.

Brad

Thanks Brad,

I thought it might be like that...

Still cool though with the proper use of a patchbay. 2 trips of conversion is not bad but more than that is just too much for my likings.

Jason

nikki-k · 12th April 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by slaves666

---snip----

PT people have to re-record the track with the effect, which is time consuming and you can't undo.

PT LE/MP only...HD is good to go.

15th November 2005	#6
kittonian Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,324 1 Review written	I use this feature every day. The only thing I've found (and although the people on the Nuendo forum will say differently) is that each time you change your buffer setting it is a good idea to re-ping the outboard gear. For some reason it tightens everything up for me. Just remember that if you are going to be using outboard effects like verbs and delays to always set them to dry before pinging. Otherwise it can't calculate the delay time accurately. Works like a charm and actually allows you to be a console-less studio with great analog outboard gear. I love it! __________________ Joshua Aaron President/Chief Engineer AudioLot/AudioLot Studios High End Pro Audio Sales & Consulting Recording/Music Production/Mixing http://www.audiolot.com Follow AudioLot on Facebook for AudioLot's BIG DEAL Gear Specials, Morning Mix Tips, and more by clicking here AudioLot is located in Hollywood, CA. If you're in the LA area and are interested in coming by to see any of the gear we carry in person, please let us know.

23rd November 2005	#12
theblotted Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,304	is this at all possible with Logic? cuz right now i have to nudge the delay forward by ear for tightness... and it's a real pain! __________________ "You can imagine where it goes from here." "He fixes the cable?"

11th April 2006	#14
crypticglobe Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 2,523 2 Reviews written	As far as I know... only Cubase SX 3.x and Nuendo 3.x have this. And yes.. it works REALLY well. I use it all the time. :D __________________ Steve Lamm Cryptic Globe Recording CGR Studios - Engineering, Mixing, and Production Cryptic Globe Recording - Custom PC DAW Systems! Ask me about my Custom Mac!!

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Jason Poulin Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Sudbury, On. Canada Posts: 1,780	How about when you add two plugs on top of each other... lets say a Pultec and then a Distressor... ?? can it be done in 1 trip or does it has to go out (pultec) and then back in and back out again for the distressor? Or, can it only be done via patchbay??? thanks Jason __________________ If it don't sound like a record... don't press record

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14th November 2005	#1
Seti808 Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: hawaii Posts: 1,682 Thread Starter	Nuendo outboard gear auto latency comp? does it really work ? Example = I got some drum tracks recorded to disk. I want to send them out my daw via lynx aes 16 into the crane song spider (for a little tape emulation) then back to the computer. There will be a certain amount of latency it took to do the round trip. This were using Nuendo's outboard gear auto latency compensation should automatically fix the delay quick and easy. I have read the manuel and searched the forum but I can't get it to work, anyone successfully using this feature in Nuendo?

14th November 2005	#2
aaronsternke Gear maniac Joined: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 262 1 Review written	Yeah, it works. You gotta "PING" the outboard gear to calculate the delay, then it compensates for it. Woohoo! Aaron

14th November 2005	#3
zvenx Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2005 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Posts: 951	don't have a crane, but use nuendo with other external devices and once you set up the latency properly when you first add the hardware (using a ping test), works like a charm. rsp

14th November 2005	#4
De chromium cob Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2003 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,659	It not only works, it kicks ass!......

15th November 2005	#7
Higgs Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 749	Cubase SX3 has this feature too doesn't it?

16th November 2005	#9
robdarling Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 790	use it every day works like a charm. Once you "ping" the device, can store its routing and latency as a preset, and just bring it into your connections setup from a menu with one step.

18th November 2005	#10
Mark Warren Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2005 Location: USA Posts: 661	Does the new Sonar 5 have this feature? Anyone have any luck using outboard gear with any version of Sonar in this manner?

19th November 2005	#11
jeronimo Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 3,228 1 Review written	Damn, gotta get SX 3.....

11th April 2006	#13
wilkinswp Gear addict Joined: May 2005 Posts: 414	Resurrecting this old post here. Really want to know if Sonar 4 or 5 has this function. Anyone know?

11th April 2006	#15
Brad McGowan Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 5,582	Sucks not to be a Cubase/Nuendo user. I too am using this feature every session. Why would anyone desiring to use outboard in their mix screw with a DAW that can't do this? Cubase makes PTLE look like a sad joke. Brad

11th April 2006	#17
slaves666 Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,170	This is the only feature that I use in Nuendo 3 over 2. I have 2 LA4A's and a distressor that I run as effects. Amazing..... PT people have to re-record the track with the effect, which is time consuming and you can't undo.

11th April 2006	#19
jarbar Gear nut Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 139	I'm not sure how you "ping" your outboard gear in Cubase SX3. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks a bunch

11th April 2006	#20
captain caveman Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 695	When you set up your external effects you set the inputs and outputs and give them names. After that you insert them in tracks just the same as any other plug. So yes, you can have multiple effects in the one track.

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