I need help with beat-detective

Atari · 13th November 2005, 03:41 PM

Can someone help me learn how to use beat detective? Maybe someone in Benelux who want to help me out? Some good tutorial online could help too.

karl · 16th November 2005, 05:06 PM

Select all drum tracks in a group
Select a few bars in the same tempo and time signature
Open beat detective and select Region Separation
Give trigger padding about 10 ms
Press Capture Selection assuming you recorded to a click and have a tempo map
Press analyze
Adjust the sensitivity until you are happy with the trigger points it shows
Press separate
Then go to Region Conform page and select strength with a percentage you want to quantize
Press conform which will quantize
Go to Edit Smooth page and select fill and cross fade
Press smooth to finish the job.

This is the very basics. You need to jump in and just learn as you go. Understanding how beat detective will respond to given situations is what you need to learn. Then you can select longer sections by looking at the shape of the performance. Usually the first beta in a selection you edited will need a bit of manual shifting as well. It might seem slow at first, but you will gain speed soon enough. Just stick with it for a few weeks.

Atari · 16th November 2005, 05:46 PM

Thanx! I'not used to working with grid and bars and so. Could you explain this a little more please? I'm autodidact and I know a good part of the things beginners have to know, but I can't find a decent tutorial on the web anywhere..

But thanx for the help, I will try this!

LAU · 16th November 2005, 07:02 PM

Atari · 16th November 2005, 07:46 PM

I did! It's a manual not a tutorial!

C_F_H_13 · 17th November 2005, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atari

I did! It's a manual not a tutorial!

exactly, the manual doesn't tell you how to do things better...it just tells you how they work.

I can't really help you out too much except for you to check out the DUC ( duc.digidesign.com ) there's been alot of talk about beat detective over there, and lots of great tips.

Do a search there and you'll find some good stuff.

karl · 17th November 2005, 12:33 PM

Generally you have to use a grid and record in time to a click track to make full use of beat detective. I have used it to fix up some live drums before, but that would be an exercise for someone more practiced with beat detective. You have to generate a tempo map from the audio in that case. Try finding someting recorded to a grid and click to practice on.

LAU · 17th November 2005, 12:42 PM

the groove extract function can be usefull for matching loops with different timing...

first you slice one loop and extract the groove by saving it to the groove clipboard, then you slice the other loop and conform it using the groove you saved to the clipboard...

Atari · 17th November 2005, 07:36 PM

Thanx for the replys. I figured it's just not a really easy tool but once you know it it 's magical. I gues I just have to spend a lot more time with it. I was just hoping for a simple tutorial with a little demo-project or so. But I can't find anything. I'll figure it out somehow. Thanx!

**toolskid** · 17th November 2005, 07:37 PM

PM and I will talk you through on the phone....

Atari · 17th November 2005, 07:43 PM

Yeah right!

Here in Belgium there's a studio and they organize protools classes. They also teach you how to use beatdetective correctly. But it's just ****ed they charge up to 1000€ for one month of training. I'm willing to pay for my training but this is way over my budget.

karl · 18th November 2005, 02:24 PM

There used to be a free DVD you could order from the Digidesign site. I got a copy and it had a section on beat detective as I remember. Have a look at www.digidesign.com.

Also http://digidesign.com/disk/ is a training area on their site with videos.

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13th November 2005, 03:41 PM	#1
Atari Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 166	I need help with beat-detective Can someone help me learn how to use beat detective? Maybe someone in Benelux who want to help me out? Some good tutorial online could help too. __________________ Dress like a rockstar, record like a rockstar! - Rockstar Recordings

16th November 2005, 05:46 PM	#3
Atari Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 166	Thanx! I'not used to working with grid and bars and so. Could you explain this a little more please? I'm autodidact and I know a good part of the things beginners have to know, but I can't find a decent tutorial on the web anywhere.. But thanx for the help, I will try this! __________________ Dress like a rockstar, record like a rockstar! - Rockstar Recordings

16th November 2005, 07:02 PM	#4
LAU Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 196	RTFM

16th November 2005, 07:46 PM	#5
Atari Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 166	I did! It's a manual not a tutorial! __________________ Dress like a rockstar, record like a rockstar! - Rockstar Recordings

16th November 2005, 05:06 PM	#2
karl Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London Posts: 224	Select all drum tracks in a group Select a few bars in the same tempo and time signature Open beat detective and select Region Separation Give trigger padding about 10 ms Press Capture Selection assuming you recorded to a click and have a tempo map Press analyze Adjust the sensitivity until you are happy with the trigger points it shows Press separate Then go to Region Conform page and select strength with a percentage you want to quantize Press conform which will quantize Go to Edit Smooth page and select fill and cross fade Press smooth to finish the job. This is the very basics. You need to jump in and just learn as you go. Understanding how beat detective will respond to given situations is what you need to learn. Then you can select longer sections by looking at the shape of the performance. Usually the first beta in a selection you edited will need a bit of manual shifting as well. It might seem slow at first, but you will gain speed soon enough. Just stick with it for a few weeks.

17th November 2005, 12:33 PM	#7
karl Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London Posts: 224	Generally you have to use a grid and record in time to a click track to make full use of beat detective. I have used it to fix up some live drums before, but that would be an exercise for someone more practiced with beat detective. You have to generate a tempo map from the audio in that case. Try finding someting recorded to a grid and click to practice on.

17th November 2005, 12:42 PM	#8
LAU Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 196	the groove extract function can be usefull for matching loops with different timing... first you slice one loop and extract the groove by saving it to the groove clipboard, then you slice the other loop and conform it using the groove you saved to the clipboard...

17th November 2005, 07:36 PM	#9
Atari Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 166	Thanx for the replys. I figured it's just not a really easy tool but once you know it it 's magical. I gues I just have to spend a lot more time with it. I was just hoping for a simple tutorial with a little demo-project or so. But I can't find anything. I'll figure it out somehow. Thanx! __________________ Dress like a rockstar, record like a rockstar! - Rockstar Recordings

17th November 2005, 07:37 PM	#10
toolskid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 2,123	PM and I will talk you through on the phone.... __________________ Emre Ramazanoglu http://www.emremusic.com the wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision the whole universe. The fool, however, will just lie down on some seaweed and roll around until he's completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go "Hey, I'm vine man"

17th November 2005, 07:43 PM	#11
Atari Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 166	Yeah right! Here in Belgium there's a studio and they organize protools classes. They also teach you how to use beatdetective correctly. But it's just ****ed they charge up to 1000€ for one month of training. I'm willing to pay for my training but this is way over my budget. __________________ Dress like a rockstar, record like a rockstar! - Rockstar Recordings

18th November 2005, 02:24 PM	#12
karl Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London Posts: 224	There used to be a free DVD you could order from the Digidesign site. I got a copy and it had a section on beat detective as I remember. Have a look at www.digidesign.com. Also http://digidesign.com/disk/ is a training area on their site with videos.

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