What is wrong with PT LE 8?

[nate11]

Hi,everybody

I own PT LE 8 with the Digi002 hardware and Logic 9, all with a MPB intel 2.6 with 4 Gb Ram and 10.5.8

Well, yesterday I was shocked at how problematic is PT vs Logic with plugins concerning buffers.
I tried a session with only Battery3 and Xpand2 and the buffer in PT was giving me errors with 32 and 64...ok, then...it's slow, I then add more instruments channels like a GTR and start to to choke again...so I had to increase to 128...and everytime I add an instruments channel I had to increase buffer... ¿?

I love PT but wait.... I'll try with Logic9

with 32 buffer( very very slow) and a session of 40 tracks, including battery (twice), GuitarRig (twice), reverbs, delays, eq, compressors, Samplers, everything.....and running fine.thumbsup

So, why?...why PT behaves like a bitch?.... why I still love that program still amaze me sometimes

..even thinking of ditching PT for good....and I wouldn't like to, cause I love the DAW... shit.

anyway, just a thought.

[chrisdee]

I'm not familiare with Logic, but I'v been using Pro Tools LE for 4 years.
ProTools works ok as long as you use supported hardware and plugins.

Have you tried removing all plugins from the plugins folder exept xpand2 and start a new session with only xpand2 ?
Also try running PT as administrator and se if that might help. (Right click on PT icon and choose run as....)

Buffersize of 32 and 64 is low and would tax your computer more. Excpecially running guitar simulation plugins.

[E.rOk.stA]

I use all that and my PT's works great.

[Igotsoul4u]

I believe that battery and all of Native's stuff is crap and would blame them first. All my other plugs and soft synths work perfectly while all my native instruments are almost unusable in protools.

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by nate11star

Hi,everybody

I own PT LE 8 with the Digi002 hardware and Logic 9, all with a MPB intel 2.6 with 4 Gb Ram and 10.5.8

Well, yesterday I was shocked at how problematic is PT vs Logic with plugins concerning buffers.
I tried a session with only Battery3 and Xpand2 and the buffer in PT was giving me errors with 32 and 64...ok, then...it's slow, I then add more instruments channels like a GTR and start to to choke again...so I had to increase to 128...and everytime I add an instruments channel I had to increase buffer... ¿?

I love PT but wait.... I'll try with Logic9

with 32 buffer( very very slow) and a session of 40 tracks, including battery (twice), GuitarRig (twice), reverbs, delays, eq, compressors, Samplers, everything.....and running fine.thumbsup

So, why?...why PT behaves like a bitch?.... why I still love that program still amaze me sometimes

..even thinking of ditching PT for good....and I wouldn't like to, cause I love the DAW... shit.

anyway, just a thought.

Prootools LE is a DOG when running plugin instruments PERIOD, I sold mine

The sucky coding of the core DAW being Protools is the root of the problem

EVERY DAW Ive used runs the plugin instruments WAY BETTER

Logic, Cubase, Reaper, StudioOnePro, Sonar

[Geert van den Berg]

The main difference is that Audio Units do not process if there's not audio running through them. So you can have much more tracks with plugins, especially if it are just small chunks which appear not all the time, like an adlib in the chorus. In Pro Tools the processing is on all the time. So a track with relatively little content still uses on all the processing power of its plugins all the time.

[nate11]

Hey,thanks for your answers

My MBP is clean from everything...no internet...no cracked shit....everything as Digi recomends.... only 2 third-party plugins (Battery3 and GuitarRig 4) and an external firewire HD for audio and samples.

Everything fine...but why there's so much difference between the 2 DAWs?

Again, I love PT8, I'm having a real hardtime trying to figure out even the simplest stuff with Logic 9, but at least there's no buffer errors, no systems crashes every 5 minutes.... and I can play guitar with lots of other plugins VI running and it's fine....no need for recording the real audio until the final mix....

that's what I would like to do in PT, I guess I can't.... oh well

[ebulb]

Originally Posted by nate11star

Everything fine...but why there's so much difference between the 2 DAWs?

Ive asked myself the same question on other systems also.. Ive found variations across different DAWs i have used and its often been a mystery to me how there can be so much difference in CPU overheads to do the same things.

One of the dumbest things i found with PT was realtime rendering.. I mix live stuff mostly so i'll have an hour or so that gets mixed in one go.. In order to use pro tools every draft render i want to make would take an hour.. So you buy yourself a great computer with loads of processing power, and if you only use 25% of your CPU across your mix rather then render at 4x speed it instead uses your computer at 25% its ability..

Any well written program should allow you to render at 4 x realtime speed or close to it depending on the plugins in use.. Realtime only makes sense if you have external processors in your effects setup, if its all plugins why not go as fast as it can ?

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

The main difference is that Audio Units do not process if there's not audio running through them. So you can have much more tracks with plugins, especially if it are just small chunks which appear not all the time, like an adlib in the chorus. In Pro Tools the processing is on all the time. So a track with relatively little content still uses on all the processing power of its plugins all the time.

Which is great - although the difference in the approaches means that whilst it may be more powerful in some respects, Logic is also more unpredictable as to when it will fall over.

Originally Posted by nate11star

Hey,thanks for your answers

My MBP is clean from everything...no internet...no cracked shit....everything as Digi recomends.... only 2 third-party plugins (Battery3 and GuitarRig 4) and an external firewire HD for audio and samples.

Everything fine...but why there's so much difference between the 2 DAWs?

Again, I love PT8, I'm having a real hardtime trying to figure out even the simplest stuff with Logic 9, but at least there's no buffer errors, no systems crashes every 5 minutes.... and I can play guitar with lots of other plugins VI running and it's fine....no need for recording the real audio until the final mix....

that's what I would like to do in PT, I guess I can't.... oh well

I've run sessions of 64 tracks, processing on every track, at buffers of 128 samples and well under max processing capacity. Including a few instances of Battery and Ampeg SVX running live as well, although I don't own guitar rig. Also 002/10.5.8/4GB, although I have a mac pro 8core.

However, even my old G4 could run a couple of amplitubes, Kontakt and xpand at low buffer sizes, so something's not right with your system.

Just to double check (and you kind of state you have), have you followed all the tweaks suggested by digi? like only using 24hr clock, the energy saver preferences, etc etc? goes without saying that everything should be the latest versions - 8.0.3cs1 or whatever...

If so - I agree with the above posters, you need to remove battery 3 and Guitar rig, try and see how it performs then with Xpand, and go from there. Plugins are a prime suspect, although I don't share the negative views on NI - I've got Pro 53/Battery 3/Kontakt 3, and they're all pretty stable and I have minimal problems with my machine.