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28th October 2005
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Thread Starter | Pro Tools: "Skinnable" Mix-buss Digi presented their white paper about the 48-bit HD mix-buss last night in L.A. One of the interesting things that came up was that the mix-buss is actually a plug-in and that the plug-in is currently designed to be transparent but that it would be possible to model other mix-busses as well, since the architecture of the plug-in is the same as that of an analog mix-buss. In other words, it's possible to "skin" the mix-buss so that the sonic characteristics of the summing could be made to emulate a neve or ssl console for instance. How many people are interested in having that feature in Pro Tools?
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28th October 2005
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| My idea! My idea! Sorry. I'd love to see this happen. Cranesong mixbus. |
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28th October 2005
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| I loved how they though it was just a so-so idea, and then EVERYBODY raised their hand when asked if they would want it. |
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| Its a plug-in? "designed to be transparent"? Well...how good a design? Does this add some sort of credibility to those who say PT has a "sound"?
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28th October 2005
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| Didn't MCDSP already try this with the Analog channel stuff a while ago? At least that was kind of the marketing angle |
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28th October 2005
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| Well the analog channel (or any other similar plug-in) will be 'added' to the digi mix bus "plug-in". Digi were surprised at the enthusiastic response!?!!  |
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The 'problem' with Analog Channel is that with the current mixer it's always placed after summing. It just doesn't feel the same. I think the plan here would be to get the saturation/transfer curve in front of the summing. Digi said the math and processing power involved to do all that shit around the mixer in realtime is insane. But of course anything is possible if the customer base is willing to shell out the $$$$. I had heard before that modeled mixers were in the works up there, but last night they poo-poo'd it in terms of practicality. Could be just trying to throw us off, or set us up to pay through the nose to get it.  | |
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28th October 2005
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| put a cranesong phoenix on your mix buss and it will have a sound. rounds the edges and seems to make the low end fuller. -brian |
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28th October 2005
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 | I'd love to hear it. If it sounded good I'd use it. Great idea if you ask me.
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| I had no idea the mix buss was a plugin...maybe that explains what I'm hearing.  |
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29th October 2005
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| Gearslutz.com admin  | "Vintage" Mix + sound as an option...?  OK I want HD, I'm not bitter... 
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29th October 2005
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| Lives for gear  | Digi ... is there more to the mixer plugin than meets the eye ... is the mixer plugin post summing also ... or "is" it the summing buss ??? may i say that i knew the mixer was a plugin as i use the dithered mixers ion pro tools and they are polugins in the plugins folder ... you have to move the standard mixers into the unused plugins folder to use them .. in your system usage we can see how much juice our mixers take up ... 4-DSP's is about what mine is at most times ... so we have the power if someone can come up with a DSP efficient version of a mix-buss emulation ... so why not license the spec to companies that want to take the time and money to create a "mixer" plugin for pro tools .. this seems like such a cool idea ... i am not unhappy with the Digi mioxer as i do not push mine hard ... average around -12 ... and do my mastering (i use that loosely) analog on the way out of Pro Tools ... i think hearing the analog Pro Tools output sounds nicer, TO ME, than boucing to disk ... peace john |
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| I have thought for awhile now that they must be working on this. It's the next logical step that would make them more money, and soon the computers will be plenty fast enough.
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I think the fact that the mixer is a "plug in" is confusing people. This is not like a compressor or something that a third party would do. The mixer plugin is PT. They don't want to release the code under the hood. | |
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29th October 2005
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| This probably won't make much sense but anyway... But why not make digital better at being digital instead of trying to mimic analog... |
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When I mix on a board I'm usually happy with the results...when I try in Protools, I don't. But I admit to not being good at ITB mixing. I've heard a lot of ITB mixes and while some are really good mixes...the sonics aren't "right" to me. For instance, the records I love the sound of are Travis "The Man Who", Coldplay ...the latest record and "Cold rush of blood", EmmyLou Harris "WreckingBall", the Switchfoot record...not really one style of mixing, but the big sound and width of those records. I would love to hear some great ITB mixes with depth and width though.....anybody want to post some?  I seriously would love to hear some --- I'd love to switch to ITB mixing for automation, total recall!!!!!  Micah | |
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29th October 2005
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But...I also would like the option of having a "vintage" kind of summing buss... maybe with an option in the prefs where you can select which algorithm is used, just as with the time-stretch tool... The time is now to be able to use the best of both worlds... | |
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29th October 2005
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|  I used the DAG- Mixer for years in my ProTools Mix-System. It was designed to sound more "analog"....Digidesign took it off the market within days (nethertheless it has been a free software-download). - Companys name was "Digital Audio Miracles". |
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30th October 2005
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 ...the best of both worlds. So Digital or digital models of analog? Whats the second world again? Do you really think a digital model of an analog summing bus is suddenly going to give you the depth and width of an analog console? Every digital modelling amp & every modelled plug in has fallen short of being able to create a replica of analog. Hell! lets use convolution and actually copy the analog waveform and apply it to digital sound... wow still sounds like junk. It should be great to combine something so lacking to something as crucial as the summing bus. | |
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30th October 2005
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| I want them to make it a plugin... ...so I can drop it into Pro Tools LE/M-Powered  thumbsup |
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