AmpliTube 3

[ProFool]

Originally Posted by tobymusic

Hi Peter, thanks for clarifying this, i just saw your post in the other thread concerning this, too.

It's great that AT3 will read AT2 presets, that's at least a workaround there.
The problem is this: coming back to a session two or three years later, on a new computer, new OS etc. there will be no AT2 any more (anybody still having Amplitube 1 installed with Pro Tools 8??)

Toby

I haven't checked in PT8 yet but in my start-up menu it looks like AT2 is still installed and working.

Are we supposed to uninstall it? I noticed the AT2 presets are transferred in AT3, thanks

[Kenton]

Originally Posted by feck

.....when attenuating with the guitar volume knob, the quality suffers dramatically. I understand that sims do calculations based on the quality of the input signal, so the lower it is, the less "well" it is able to do its job. But the AxeFX is a sim, and it actually responds more drastically to guitar volume attenuation than a real amp does, which is one of the things that I love about it. So, it certainly can be done on a sliding scale within the software. I suppose that is one of the strengths of the Axe, and of course Amplitube has its own set of strengths. With Amplitube, when I back off of the guitar volume, the sim just sounds like a quieter version of the louder signal - velocity scaling, in other words.....

I wonder what interface you are using?

I would expect the AmpFX to have a very high (1Meg) input impedance just like most Valve Amps.
If you are plugging your guitar into an interface with a lower input impedance then the way that the volume control on the guitar behaves will not be comparable to an amp.
I see that Waves produce a high impedance interface just for this reason - putting a pedal like a Tubescreamer on bypass before the interface will have a similar effect.

[spectacular g]

Just messed with the demo for a bit and can say that I too was expecting a lot more. Still the most useful thing I get out of any of the IK stuff is a pretty cool deep purple type organ sound with amp JH

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[ProFool]

Found a bug in the standalone, the CTRL + Q (quit) doesn't work in the menu and the shortcut. Cool sounds though, my fave so far are the orange simulations.

cheers

[feck]

Originally Posted by Absolute

I hear this complete fallacy all the time on forums and really comes from people not knowing what they are talking about. They heard it somewhere and just kept repeating it--but its nonsense.

What your saying would make no sense to any Amp maker.

All your doing when lowering your guitar volume is essentially lowering the gain knob on your amp. There is no magical interaction that has to be somehow coded by a modeling company. There is nothing you have to get extra awesome on the input to accommodate a knob turn.

If an amp doesnt sound good when you lower your volume knob--then it doesnt sound good at lower gain. Maybe Axefx is the one that is not so realistic on the input and maybe he doesnt code his gain down far enough.

Regardless..it total BS to present this fallacy over and over again without understanding amplifiers.

Take it easy, man. I assure you I understand how guitar amplifiers work, as well as how amp sims work. The facts are this - the difference between sims and analog amps regarding input level and variable gain stages are obvious, and they are the difference between digital and analog. Stepped versus non-stepped. They are factual, and they are there. Sims have to take into account myriad variables including type of interface, quality of interface/preamp, whereas real guitar amps of course are designed with their exact input stages in mind. What I have noticed through playing is that the Axe does the most realistic, and yes, hyper-realistic at times, dynamic gain scaling of any software sim out there. It is not due to magic, it is due to the programming algorithm. There is always room for improvement, and AT3 has made many improvements overall.

[Finnish]

So, I guess Guitar Rig 4 is "nothing" compared to this... (Guitar Rig 4 owner here...)

[Animus]

I still don't quite get why people are always looking for the holy grail amp sim. Get a real amp. Done. Amp sims have their purpose (living in a apartment etc, temp tracks etc) but why reinvent the wheel.

[mixsir]

Hi all. I've been lurking here for quite sometime, and decided to register today. Why today of all days? Not sure
I got my copy of Amp3 yesturday. I have amp2, and guitar rig 4, I thnk they did a great job with amp3. I really like the Fender stuff. I haven't had a chance to really get into it, but this is my first impression of what I have checked out. I am also a fan of Guitar rig 4. I believe that both of these sims have their place.
If amplitube doesn't work in a particular tune/mix, give guitar rig 4 a spin.
I'm looking forward to participating in a forum with such a well versed group of folks.

[feck]

Originally Posted by Animus

I still don't quite get why people are always looking for the holy grail amp sim. Get a real amp. Done. Amp sims have their purpose (living in a apartment etc, temp tracks etc) but why reinvent the wheel.

Because of the massive time saver they are, and the immediate tonal flexibility offered by the hundreds of options. I frankly don't have the patience most of the time to screw around with physical pedal boards and cabinet/head switching.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by feck

Because of the massive time saver they are, and the immediate tonal flexibility offered by the hundreds of options. I frankly don't have the patience most of the time to screw around with physical pedal boards and cabinet/head switching.

True. But sometimes having less options is liberating.

I still have yet to check out Axe Fx but it seems promising. I have not met an itb sim that satisfies me, especially in the clean department. I will have to demo AT 3 though.

[feck]

Originally Posted by Animus

True. But sometimes having less options is liberating.
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I hear you. I have gotten pretty good at making decisions that I stick with, so I don't spend endless hours fiddling with the myriad options. Otherwise, with things like AT3, I would spend all the time mucking around rather than getting songs done.

[MarsBot]

Originally Posted by Animus

I still don't quite get why people are always looking for the holy grail amp sim. Get a real amp. Done. Amp sims have their purpose (living in a apartment etc, temp tracks etc) but why reinvent the wheel.

Why reinvent the analog mixing board/tape machine as a DAW?

Why reinvent the wagon wheel as a sports car wheel with anti-lock disc brakes?

Why reinvent the biplane as a 747?

The answers are always the same: power, performance and convenience. Amp sims promise this kind of revolution in guitar recording. Are they actually there yet? The answer to that varies from person to person. But I own a Mesa Boogie and lots of stomp pedals. I can borrow my friend's Marshalls, Traynors, Bassmans any time I want. I record lots of guitars through amps. And Amplitude 3 has me thinking about selling my amp. I have to test it some more, but for me the speed, performance and convenience of a good amp sim would be far preferable to the time wasted with amp micing and screwing around with the tone until you get something that works.

Before Amplitude 3, I was in the "amps are better than sims" camp for most things. But Amplitude 3 is a real step up in sound quality.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by MarsBot

Why reinvent the analog mixing board/tape machine as a DAW?

Why reinvent the wagon wheel as a sports car wheel with anti-lock disc brakes?

Why reinvent the biplane as a 747?

The answers are always the same: power, performance and convenience. Amp sims promise this kind of revolution in guitar recording. Are they actually there yet? The answer to that varies from person to person. But I own a Mesa Boogie and lots of stomp pedals. I can borrow my friend's Marshalls, Traynors, Bassmans any time I want. I record lots of guitars through amps. And Amplitude 3 has me thinking about selling my amp. I have to test it some more, but for me the speed, performance and convenience of a good amp sim would be far preferable to the time wasted with amp micing and screwing around with the tone until you get something that works.

Before Amplitude 3, I was in the "amps are better than sims" camp for most things. But Amplitude 3 is a real step up in sound quality.

I hear what you are saying but why stop there. We can live in a total virtual world. Let's get a virtual vocalist, a virtual guitar and bass. It will sure be a lot easier to do it itb then deal with singer and guitarist egos. We already got rid of the drummers, no more spontaneous combustion.

[feck]

Originally Posted by Animus

I hear what you are saying but why stop there. We can live in a total virtual world. Let's get a virtual vocalist, a virtual guitar and bass. It will sure be a lot easier to do it itb then deal with singer and guitarist egos. We already got rid of the drummers, no more spontaneous combustion.

Hahaha. The scary and sad truth is that this is probably where we are headed. Get while the gettin' is good!

[Peter - IK]

Noooooo!!! We are our tagline (musicians first) so please don't virtualize the musicians! At least not guitarists. OK, I'm biased. Drummers and bass players too because I feel proficient enough there to be threatened. Leave em all! Even keep crappy vocalists like when I open my warbling gullet in front of a mic remain! (Uh oh, autotune discussion may be cued up there...)

Really, I like the flexibility. Are people like me and a lot of the rest of the folks here gear sluts? Well, yeah! I only have to turn around right now and there's three pedalboards full up, more than a few amps, and other assorted gear - good, bad, and ugly. But there's room for everything and I know I DON'T have an Orange OR120 (just a humble little Tiny Terror) or a nice Bassman or Twin (just the modest Blues Junior) or any staggering number of cabinets (a couple Avatars, yes, and they are good), or $3000 microphones (too many there, most modest too)...

[Peter - IK]

Originally Posted by Lenzo

Peter,
Thanks for the offer. I'm impressed that someone from IK is so responsive. I played with it today for another hour or so and had only one crash. I loaded a couple of instances into a session on PT with 20 or so tracks and it played fine. This is a very nice piece of work. I just said last week that I was not spending any more money on gear, as the pile is pretty large. I should have known better than to say something so foolish.
L.

Responsive? Oops, I high-tailed it out of here after I posted that!!! Haha, just teasing of course. Great to hear that you are having good luck with it and that you enjoy AmpliTube 3 so much.

[Austmann]

I cant get through the authorizing process,been trying all weekend and always the same msg:
An internal error occurred while processing your request. Please retry or contact IK Multimedia Support.

i guess the support team are having weekend off since ive had no response,,i hope someone there mails me tomorrow

[Peter - IK]

Originally Posted by Austmann

I cant get through the authorizing process,been trying all weekend and always the same msg:
An internal error occurred while processing your request. Please retry or contact IK Multimedia Support.

i guess the support team are having weekend off since ive had no response,,i hope someone there mails me tomorrow

They shouldn't be - but probably very heavy load right now. If you'd like to PM me your email address and registered IK username (and reiterate the problem so I remember ) I can see what I can do too.

Thanks! You will be ok with that version without any limitations for 10 days if you hit cancel, though, in case you just want to move on and use it until you are squared away.

[EddieTheRed]

To be completely honest, I was a little underwhelmed with the amp models but the new cab and mic system . . . The new Orange cab with my Blackstar head was a revelation.

I tried moving the mics all over and I just couldn't make it sound bad. Seriously impressive.

I've been using the FX out of the Blackstar with a Poweramp model from Revalver III and the AT3 cabs.

I really wish you guys would have separate bypass switches for the preamp and poweramp stages of the appropriate amps . . . I wish I could go: Blackstar amp - AT3 poweramp - AT3 cab.

*sighs*

[MarsBot]

Originally Posted by Animus

I hear what you are saying but why stop there. We can live in a total virtual world. Let's get a virtual vocalist, a virtual guitar and bass. It will sure be a lot easier to do it itb then deal with singer and guitarist egos. We already got rid of the drummers, no more spontaneous combustion.

You make a good point. And we are definitely headed in this direction. Everything will be virtual, especially in music, including the composers. But I think there will be a reaction against this and human input to the virtual devices will become increasingly valued (for a decade or so).

But let's be brave and face the facts: people will ultimately prefer musical composition and production done by computers because it's going to be way more innovative than what humans can come up with. Check out this article and scroll down a little to hear recording of computer compositions that are quite evocative:

Triumph of the Cyborg Composer | Smart Journalism. Real Solutions. | Miller-McCune Online Magazine

It's just getting started, but it's going to be really big.

[keithl]

tried it out for a little bit last night (it was a great suprise when I forgot I pre-purchased it and received the download email!)

Som REAL nice tones going on there. I didn't have much time but was really impressived with some of the simulations (and effects!)

The Orange amp is great...excellent addition to the amp inventory!

I noticed there is a preset exchange on the IK site. How does one import these presets into Amp3.0? Anybody try to do that?

[Proggm]

Two things I must say (to keep it short):
1. It's good. VERY good. A bold step in the right direction for sure.
2. The presets are bad. VERY bad. Specially in the high-gain department.

[mattg082]

Well, I finally got a chance to test it out for about 2hrs now. I'm using a les paul studio running di into an api 512c with rosetta conversion ad/da.

So far I really like the bass and CLEAN settings like the blues and american ones but the distortion to me sounds bad...maybe I just haven't been able to make it to the good pre sets yet but so far every distorted guitar sounds fuzzy and I've heard the same feedback before i tried it from other users.

Anyone out there try it yet? what do you think about it?

I was hoping this might come out well for us guys in apartments who use di applications on guitars most of the time. So far guitar rig 3 and above is the only thing i feel i can use with rock guitars that fit in a mix and sound good. I even set my monitors to mono and record back on a solo buss in my vocal room and it makes it sound very natural.

I know were always crossing our fingers every time a new amp sim comes out that it might be the one to kick it up a notch but for distorted guitars and most guitar rig really seems to be the only one headed in the right direction imo.

Don't get me wrong I like it but when it comes to distorted guitars maybe running a pedal into clean setting on amp sims would just be better overall.

[Geoff Firebaugh]

Originally Posted by mattg082

Well, I finally got a chance to test it out for about 2hrs now. I'm using a les paul studio running di into an api 512c with rosetta conversion ad/da.

So far I really like the bass and CLEAN settings like the blues and american ones but the distortion to me sounds bad...maybe I just haven't been able to make it to the good pre sets yet but so far every distorted guitar sounds fuzzy and I've heard the same feedback before i tried it from other users.

Anyone out there try it yet? what do you think about it?

I was hoping this might come out well for us guys in apartments who use di applications on guitars most of the time. So far guitar rig 3 and above is the only thing i feel i can use with rock guitars that fit in a mix and sound good. I even set my monitors to mono and record back on a solo buss in my vocal room and it makes it sound very natural.

I know were always crossing our fingers every time a new amp sim comes out that it might be the one to kick it up a notch but for distorted guitars and most guitar rig really seems to be the only one headed in the right direction imo.

Don't get me wrong I like it but when it comes to distorted guitars maybe running a pedal into clean setting on amp sims would just be better overall.

I haven't gotten to check out A3 yet but I've found the biggest shortcoming in AT2 is finding the right cabinet. many are to fuzzy to me as well.

I often will run my duo jet, or tele through the nocturne 'brain seltzer' preamp and / or my visual sound double trouble to get the overdriven tone I like.

another thing I've gotten good results with is letting the input gain on the AT2 module clip pretty hard and hit the 'front end' of the amp harder. more natural results....

my 2 cents.

[mattg082]

well ampitube 3 i think really captured tube and clean very nice and they sound beefy. I would not hesitate pulling it up for any clean guitars as my first choice and there is no shortage on presets for those. Base on what I've heard for DI I would make it my go to amp sim for clean and tube tone. It sounds really nice on solos and the room captures are nice and it sounds like a real room so no complaint there. Still want my bad ass distorted rock guitar though :P

[tjrivera1206]

Ive tried it for two days already and i just dont like it. it takes some tweakin just to get it to sound desent but not crazy about it ! gtr3 and eleven sound the best !!!!

[mattg082]

yeah, i started getting into the pedals and i like the step sequence pedal and some of the fx they seem like something i would use for a new wave electro rock kind of song. the metal distortion pedals and some of the others aren't as fuzzy but still not good enough to put on a song imo at all. i think it's a use full guitar sim and the pedals are cool just bring your own distortion pedal to the party.

you would of think they would fixed this one major flaw a lot of people have been bitching about for awhile. I really think it's one of the only things from giving gtr a run for it's money.

[Slikjmuzik]

I've had it forever at this point and used to use it exclusively before I got my own Mesa head in here with my Avatar cab. I also have a nice AEA ribbon along with a variety of nice dynamics to include 57's, i5's, sm7b and heil pr30, so I have plenty to experiment with. I found the tones in A3 to be exemplary, plenty usable within a mix. I found the settings especially nice to run through my ISA220 being that it has a transformer along with nice EQ and compression. Works well for me.

[esteso]

Originally Posted by keithl

I noticed there is a preset exchange on the IK site. How does one import these presets into Amp3.0? Anybody try to do that?

Just add 'em manually to the presets folder. On Mac ...... HD/Library/Application Support/IKMultimedia/Amplitube 3/Presets

[mattg082]

oh it is really nice an i could barely cover everything in the 3 hrs i played on it. it's just the marshall, vox really don't sound anything like them in comparison to logics amp sim and guitar rig. there are a lot of usable clean tones on there that i will use like i said though it just doesn't sell me on rock guitars or distortion and some sound out right horrible.

i could see how some of the distorted guitars may work for me on some of my industrial music and for experimental stuff when i want those tones. I found one or two distortions i liked when i used it with my great river pre which really layered it up but it just doesn't have that hifi or real rock guitar feel that gtr3 and 4 have to me. Everything is kind of thin sounding at first and a lot of tweaking needs to be done to get it there.