Any comments on this G5-based DP setup for multitracking/sample-based production?

Doug_Carmichael · 10th October 2005

I've been speccing out a DP4-based system for my studio, and I'd like your comments on this setup.
(I already have DP4, Reason v3, and ReCycle, and I'd be using those on this system.)

Basically, I'm going to be using the system for both producing my own stuff (DJ Shadow-styled 'hiphop' and remixes for others) as well as conventional multitrack production of 'live' bands.

What do you think? Any comments?
(I've left cables out for brevity.)

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PowerMac G5 (2 x 2.7 GHz / 2GB RAM / 2 x 400GB
disk / ATI X850 video / 23" Cinema Display)
Yamaha 01V96v2 digital mixing console
Yamaha MY16-AT 16-channel ADAT I/O card
RME Hammerfall DSP PCI audio card
RME Digiface ADAT breakout box
TC PowerCore PCI mkII
Kensington Orbit optical trackball
Novation ReMOTE 61 61-key USB keyboard
M-Audio Trigger Finger USB drum pad controller
QuikLok QLX-11 X-stand for keyboard
Technics SL-1200Mk5 silver
Ortofon OM Nightclub cartridge
Ableton Live v5
Native Instruments Komplete 3 bundle
Native Instruments Komplete Care 2006
Native Instruments Komplete Sound bundle
BIAS Peak Pro v5
Event Studio Precision 8 monitors x 2
Auralex MoPAD monitor speaker pads
Yamaha add-on effects (AE011 channel strip, AE021 master strip,
AE031 reverb, AE051 vintage stomp)
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Questions:
* I've heard some say that a mixerless setup would be a better idea, but I saw a thread on GS (http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showt...ght=motu+01v96) that says that the MOTU summing bus doesn't sound as good as an outboard mixer (ie. the Yamaha) or even PT. What have your experiences been with the DP summing bus?
* I'm considering getting myself a Roland MV-8000, but if I do, I'll only be able to get 8-16 outputs from my DP workstation into the console. Will I still hear the benefits of summing OTB if I send stems into the 01V96 as supposed to individual tracks?

* What have your experiences been with the Yamaha add-on effects?

* How do the pads on the M-Audio Trigger Finger feel versus the MV?

Any comments/recommendations?

Thanks.

--Douglas

bannerj · 11th October 2005

just in response to the idea of dp4 reason 3.0 and a G4...I don't know about the other questions....

I just put Reason 3.0 on my ibook G4 933 with 640 in RAM and geesh, it is a RAM hogger. But then again so is DP4 in comparison to other DAWs. I had trouble tracking in Reason to DP4 using Rewire. Make sure you have enough computer power to run all these programs.

onion · 11th October 2005

Reason 3 seems to use considerably more processing power than 2.5 and earlier. Still, a dual G5 should be up to the task. I frequently use Reason 3 with DP4 via Rewire on a 1GHz G4 powerbook, and it works fine.

Keep in mind this is just one opinion. I bought the Trigger Finger, tried it out, then returned it. The feel wasn't right for me. I ended up buying the more expensive, less feature-rich AKAI mpd16, and I'm pleased with it. The Trigger Finger is a bit more sophisticated: faders, knobs, pressure sensing that can be routed to CCs, etc. Still I prefered the simpler AKAI. Try the Trigger Finger anyway. It might work for you.

10th October 2005	#1
Doug_Carmichael Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 1 Thread Starter	Any comments on this G5-based DP setup for multitracking/sample-based production? I've been speccing out a DP4-based system for my studio, and I'd like your comments on this setup. (I already have DP4, Reason v3, and ReCycle, and I'd be using those on this system.) Basically, I'm going to be using the system for both producing my own stuff (DJ Shadow-styled 'hiphop' and remixes for others) as well as conventional multitrack production of 'live' bands. What do you think? Any comments? (I've left cables out for brevity.) ------ PowerMac G5 (2 x 2.7 GHz / 2GB RAM / 2 x 400GB disk / ATI X850 video / 23" Cinema Display) Yamaha 01V96v2 digital mixing console Yamaha MY16-AT 16-channel ADAT I/O card RME Hammerfall DSP PCI audio card RME Digiface ADAT breakout box TC PowerCore PCI mkII Kensington Orbit optical trackball Novation ReMOTE 61 61-key USB keyboard M-Audio Trigger Finger USB drum pad controller QuikLok QLX-11 X-stand for keyboard Technics SL-1200Mk5 silver Ortofon OM Nightclub cartridge Ableton Live v5 Native Instruments Komplete 3 bundle Native Instruments Komplete Care 2006 Native Instruments Komplete Sound bundle BIAS Peak Pro v5 Event Studio Precision 8 monitors x 2 Auralex MoPAD monitor speaker pads Yamaha add-on effects (AE011 channel strip, AE021 master strip, AE031 reverb, AE051 vintage stomp) --- Questions: * I've heard some say that a mixerless setup would be a better idea, but I saw a thread on GS (http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showt...ght=motu+01v96) that says that the MOTU summing bus doesn't sound as good as an outboard mixer (ie. the Yamaha) or even PT. What have your experiences been with the DP summing bus? * I'm considering getting myself a Roland MV-8000, but if I do, I'll only be able to get 8-16 outputs from my DP workstation into the console. Will I still hear the benefits of summing OTB if I send stems into the 01V96 as supposed to individual tracks? * What have your experiences been with the Yamaha add-on effects? * How do the pads on the M-Audio Trigger Finger feel versus the MV? Any comments/recommendations? Thanks. --Douglas

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11th October 2005	#2
bannerj Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 639	just in response to the idea of dp4 reason 3.0 and a G4...I don't know about the other questions.... I just put Reason 3.0 on my ibook G4 933 with 640 in RAM and geesh, it is a RAM hogger. But then again so is DP4 in comparison to other DAWs. I had trouble tracking in Reason to DP4 using Rewire. Make sure you have enough computer power to run all these programs.

11th October 2005	#3
onion Gear maniac Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 176	Reason 3 seems to use considerably more processing power than 2.5 and earlier. Still, a dual G5 should be up to the task. I frequently use Reason 3 with DP4 via Rewire on a 1GHz G4 powerbook, and it works fine. Keep in mind this is just one opinion. I bought the Trigger Finger, tried it out, then returned it. The feel wasn't right for me. I ended up buying the more expensive, less feature-rich AKAI mpd16, and I'm pleased with it. The Trigger Finger is a bit more sophisticated: faders, knobs, pressure sensing that can be routed to CCs, etc. Still I prefered the simpler AKAI. Try the Trigger Finger anyway. It might work for you.