the ultimate Mac vs. PC slam death fest

[Timur Born]

Originally Posted by theblue1

So... I'm not a newb.

Seems like you could gather quite some experience with computers. But I have seen audio guys argue "Hey, I can solder that 100k $ expensive console, I surely can setup Windows". Yeah, and my car insurrance pays upto 8 mio. Euro in a crash, so I surely can drive formula 1 races.

[Tui]

I like the idea that, for security reasons, you shouldn't connect your computer to the net. For additional security, I would suggest to not record any music with it either. In fact, don't even bother with switching it on, you might hurt yourself.

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by Tui

I like the idea that, for security reasons, you shouldn't connect your computer to the net. For additional security, I would suggest to not record any music with it either. In fact, don't even bother with switching it on, you might hurt yourself.

So much pain and suffering -- not to mention bad music -- could be prevented if more people followed this simple precaution.

[lettenmusic]

I found that if one removes their head from their ass they can use a PC very successfully.

[tomorrowstops]

Originally Posted by Whoopysnorp

Some weirdo folks, such as yours truly, run OSX on their PCs, too.

i really would rather build a pc, than buy another mac pro. macs, although quirky, have been super reliable for me. i just have a hard time shelling out that much cake at once. my fear of pcs, is dealing with reprecussions of being connected to the internet (virus software etc). if it is possible to build a pc to run osx (and all the fixings) i would persue that in an instant!

for those pc guys not connected to the net: how do you update your systems? download the updates on another machine, and burn a disc? if its as simple as that, i'll be even more tempted to switch!

[lord preset]

Originally Posted by stag

It gets worse than religion and politics.

My Mac is better than Jesus.
Dick Cheney is a PC.

[Lemonsqueezer]

Apple are a marketing company. Probably the best marketing company in the world.

[J CraQ]

you guys are all nuts... macs do the same thing as a pc does and a pc does the same thing as a mac. user error is probably the cause of your problems. regardless. i have a windows pc i use for all studio work hooked up to the interent 24/7. whaddayatalkinabout?

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by tomorrowstops

i really would rather build a pc, than buy another mac pro. macs, although quirky, have been super reliable for me. i just have a hard time shelling out that much cake at once. my fear of pcs, is dealing with reprecussions of being connected to the internet (virus software etc). if it is possible to build a pc to run osx (and all the fixings) i would persue that in an instant!

for those pc guys not connected to the net: how do you update your systems? download the updates on another machine, and burn a disc? if its as simple as that, i'll be even more tempted to switch!

In all fairness, when you buy a Mac, you are, in part, paying for the much higher development costs involved in supporting and improving a vertically integrated OS/platform. That's why it's written into their terms of use that the OS is only to be used on Apple hardware.

I think people need to take a long, hard look at the economics of the Macintosh before waxing enthusiastic about hacking the sofware to be able to run it on an unauthorized machine.

Apple doesn't have to make the Macintosh. If they wanted to reorganize around their most profitable products, the iPod and the iPhone, there are those in the investment community who would see that as a very smart thing.

Apple has, in recent history, subsidized the development and evolution of the Mac by plowing its profits back into the not-necessarily profitable computer division.

Those considering unauthorized use of the OS on a Hackintosh might want to give that a long think through, I hope.

Originally Posted by lord preset

[...]
Dick Cheney is a PC.

I'm sorry... as a darksider, I have to say, you've crossed a line, there...

[stag]

Originally Posted by theblue1

And yet the guy on the left (in the suit) is actually life-long Mac user, AIUI.


Appearances can be deceiving.

_____________

Next year can we do the Ultimate Analog vs Digital Slam Death Fest?

That´s why i would hire the most qualified.

Speaking of appearances: the Mac guy looks like a guy who already made it big... Or a poseur.

[tazman]

I have come to the conclusion that there is a need for Macs since there are way too many clueless people out there...

I have NEVER had any issues with a PC and have run SONAR and Nuendo and Adobe suites (only issues have been drivers related when testing new BETA drivers).

A Mac IS A PC!!! Only differences are that it runs on Unix rather than Windows, you can't customize the hardware to your liking (which is good, see first point ) and it locks you into the dfegad Apple's system.

[lain2097]

Hey you missed this one

I'll stay far away from these holy-wars...

[Finnish]

I actually like that I have no internet connection on my audio PCs. Less surfing on Sarah Young or Peter North sites when doing audio stuff..

[StereoPari]

Hmm nice chance to rant

Mac = it's hip it's cool it gets the job done, but you're married to its out-of-the-box performance, when something goes wrong all you can do is whine about the shortcomings of your setup -> only Apple and you yourself (as a "quality conscious" APPLE user, of course) are outside of this notorious circle of "design problems", the whole brand image is built that way

PC = it gets the job done, you can easily upgrade it, you're never married to its out-of-the-box performance, when something goes wrong you can actually tweak it, you can optimize and customize your system, get to "understand" how it behaves etc

I'd be tempted to say something about those who portray themselves as audio engineers and have built a whole studio around a computer, yet don't want to know anything about their basic setup because it is "irrelevant" and takes away from their (supposedly endless) "creativity"... tutt

And there are the fruit users who think they are more "creative" just because they've been sucked in by this brand-religion which bombards them with images of everything being fun, cool, fast, fresh...just plug in yourself to a world of possibilities, no map needed...just plug-in your macbook, plug-in your CLA plug-ins, no effort needed..hey just concentrate on what's "important", get an Apple...but the truth is that if you're gonna play the guitar, you must learn to tune it first..this is ALWAYS the case

Bottom line is that both get the job done and the whole discourse around the more or less minimal "differences" between the two platforms is just an integral part of how the capitalist mechanism works. Welll evolution dictates that humans always tend to see themselves as part of a larger "tribe" which in turn is being reflected against another group, thus creating the basic building blocks for the whole "us vs them" mentality

-I say all this and yet I might even switch to mac some year

[Subversounds]

Originally Posted by J CraQ

you guys are all nuts... macs do the same thing as a pc does and a pc does the same thing as a mac. user error is probably the cause of your problems. regardless. i have a windows pc i use for all studio work hooked up to the interent 24/7. whaddayatalkinabout?

The problem is usually between the screen and the chair.

[StereoPari]

Originally Posted by Subversounds

The problem is usually between the screen and the chair.

Agreed.

[robertshaw]

[Final Exam]

Answer the following questions (50 points each) -

Listen to an ITB mix and answer:

1. Was this mixed on a mac or a pc?

2. Was this mixed on OSX or Windows?

[Extra Credit Question] (2 points)

3. Do questions 1. and 2. really matter?

__________________________________________

I supplied the answers just in case you got them wrong or simply want to verify them.

Answer #1: A mac is a pc.

Answer #2: No one who is human could possibly tell you this.

Extra Credit Answer: No


Out of 102 possible what was your score?



LOL

I love exams.....
and I LOVE computers!!!!! Dell, Apple or a slide rule. I just love to help compute.

[rolo95]

Originally Posted by robertshaw

[Final Exam]

answer these 2 simple questions (50 points each)

Listen to an ITB mix and answer:

1. Was this mixed on a mac or a pc?

2. Was this mixed OSX or Windows?

[Extra Credit Question] (2 points)
3. Does it matter?


I supplied the answers just in case you got them wrong or simply want to verify them.

Answer #1: a mac is a pc.

Answer #2: no one who is human could possibly tell you.

Extra credit Answer: No


Out of 102 possible what was your score?

Priceless!!!

[Dreamsilent]

I'm not a tweaker. I don't like to amend settings, upgrade my CPU, any of that jazz. I'm a musician, and I want to have a computer that works and carries on working.

Sure, Macs are pricey. I bought mine on eBay, at a risk but a risk which paid off, and I couldn't be happier. My mac hasn't failed on me at all...even when it suffered a glass of water spilt on it, it carried on working like a trooper.

I only switched to Macs because I wanted to use Logic. People that my band had worked with in the past had all used Logic, so I got a good look at its features and how well it worked. Not to mention I'm a HUGE fan of Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson, who records and produces everything in Logic on a mac (albeit, a G5 running DAE/TDM with Logic 7 as the front end)

I do love PCs. I love their price, I love PC gaming and would never EVER dream of gaming on a Mac. I miss PC gaming (and all the money spent on my old Steam account!) but I have a PS3 now which makes up for those "rest periods" in between long hours composing.

I'm mainly a composer rather than a producer...I'd love to get into production, but I simply do not have the facility to properly practise mixing...I'm in a rented bedroom which is small and boxy and limited on space, so its not really worth trying at this stage. But for composing, Logic has been and continues to be fantastic. It has its limitations, as do Macs (getting back to the original point), but my workflow is hassle free and I'm very comfortable and reassured with my setup.

Its the age old adage...both are better than the other at certain things. Some disagree. They have their uses. If it works for you, it works for you.

I do try hard to not act like the stereotype "head up ass" Mac user, but apparently I am becoming that way. Mainly because the stereotype is so widespread people see it in ANY Mac user. I take my macbook out of my bag and people go "Oooh, look at me with my pretty macbook"...pulling out a standard PC laptop wouldn't evoke the same response. I can't help but laugh myself.

The war rages on...

[code 10]

In short .........

Macs are for the affluent bright guys and PC's are for poor wannabes.

Read as now fixed.

Have a nice day.

[RasCricket]

Originally Posted by Tony-->

In short .........

Macs are for the affluent bright guys and PC's are for poor wannabes.

Read as now fixed.

Have a nice day.

Macs are for people who think they need a leg-up because they lack in enough areas that they'll get ANYthing they think will help them make up for that deficit. Its a hilarious thing to watch. They even buy into a platform thats twice as expensive in the long run.

If you cant make golden music on a PC, you likely just lack the talent. Buying the more expensive Mac is not going to make up for this. At all.

Buy a Mac because it uses less RAM to calculate mathematic equations when working with vector graphics. Now THATS a reason, if youre a graphic designer. Other than that......Ill just repeat: If you cant make golden music on a PC, you likely just lack the talent.

[code 10]

Originally Posted by RasCricket

Macs are for people who think they need a leg-up because they lack in enough areas that they'll get ANYthing they think will help them make up for that deficit. Its a hilarious thing to watch. They even buy into a platform thats twice as expensive in the long run.

If you cant make golden music on a PC, you likely just lack the talent. Buying the more expensive Mac is not going to make up for this. At all.

Buy a Mac because it uses less RAM to calculate mathematic equations when working with vector graphics. Now THATS a reason, if youre a graphic designer. Other than that......Ill just repeat: If you cant make golden music on a PC, you likely just lack the talent.

Touched a nerve me thinks .......

Save your money up and maybe one day you'll too be able to afford one as well, chin-chin old chap :-)

[Lemonsqueezer]

Originally Posted by Tony-->

In short .........

Macs are for the affluent bright guys and PC's are for poor wannabes.

Read as now fixed.

Have a nice day.

says some one from East London

[code 10]

Originally Posted by Lemonsqueezer

says some one from East London

Meow, easy kitty, you might scratch someone with those claws.

[RasCricket]

Originally Posted by Tony-->

Touched a nerve me thinks .......

Save your money up and maybe one day you'll too be able to afford one too, chin-chin old chap :-)

LOL ~ Dude....I've got a serious truckload of talent. I completely do NOT need the extra leg-up that you may.

So keep your money-driven lack of talent on your side of the fence please ~ Ive got work to do.


Without saying much else...my links are right below. Enjoy.

[miro]

ahhh. it had to come this far


and mr. cricket: what does talent have to do with with either using a PC or mac?

[code 10]

Guise, guise, guise,

I'm pulling your legs, I'm using the old clichés, I personally couldn't care at this point wether someone uses a Mac or a PC, they both get the job done, from my own perspective I've used Macs for years and its what I know.

Also to add, I'm one of those weird ones who has XP on my MacBook, to be really honest I think some things like Explorer are much more snappier than Safari is on Snow Leopard, i use Logic as thats again what I started out using, could never bother myself with Cubase as it seems like a lot of faffing about to get from A to Z, I'm sure the same could be said the other way around for PC users.

I'm just having some fun, don't take it to heart eh?

[DaveC]

whaddayatalkinabout?

Eeerrr....viruses?

[RasCricket]

Sorry, Tony

Ill pull in my "im a dickhead" horns.

Miro, I was basically getting at how in the consumer products world, there's a factor at play that has people buying something thats priced higher than anything else simply because they think it will be a better tool based on it price range.

I say the same thing about the Waves plug-ins. We could use electric guitars for a second as an example. Youre not going to be magically made a better player because you bought an American model than if you bought a Mexican model. Then theres the whole 'truth' that alot of times, the guys who make the American guitars, do a crappier job than say, the Mexican plant will do simply because they sit on their hands knowing they have an expensive product that people WILL in fact buy therefore they really dont need such careful attention to it. So at the end of it all, the less expensive Mexican guitar was a better buy. Kinda roundabout, but theres some truths in there.

[Suda Badri]

I am bisexual when it comes to my comp fantasies... although I contemplated buying a mac just to run microsoft office... (So where is the Waves vs every other plug-in manu death match thread anyway?)