Logic 10 - What do you want?

[apoclypse]

Originally Posted by davetherave

Only improvement logic really needs is the audio editing side of things, it's the worst daw for editing audio, as I'm sure you all know. Other than that I'm pretty happy using logic and have been for a number of years. I have give up waiting and expecting a new logic now, so I will just use what I have until they bring out a new one or it becomes dated I have to change to another daw. I hope I don't have to tho

It's most definitely not worst than Ableton, or Reason which are considered DAWs if I'm not mistaken.

[Leevi]

Thank you jac, you made me smile

[apoclypse]

Originally Posted by jac

I did,find this image. It's supposed to be a screenshot of the new Logic. I do not know if it is true or not, i'm just sharing it.

LOL! Is this a joke. If serious, wow. That's Logic 6/7 before the UI overhaul in Logic 8. I doubt Apple would make something that ugly again. Then again I hear there is going to be faux wood paneling in in Logic X. /jk

[jac]

lol.
I hoped to get more comments before the real identity would have been discovered... ;-)

Well, just to rescue something here.... I probably have to seriously buy some avid pcie if nothing will happen....

[raymondwave]

Originally Posted by apoclypse

Then again I hear there is going to be faux wood paneling in in Logic X. /jk

I don't know if this is already knowledged here, but the recent events at Apple predict an opposite direction.

Legendary Design Guru Jony Ive Now Runs Apple Software, Too | Co.Design: business + innovation + design

It's said that Steve Jobs and Scott Forstall were those who encouraged skeuomorphism, and now that Forstall is out and Jony Ive running software we may witness the day even Garageband sheds it's skeuo-skin to something more practical.

[spoonie]

ability to use all cores (more than 8+8HT), something like DP's "chunks"

[arrowood101]

If I am missing something, please feel free to correct me. Honestly hope I am just doing something silly.

They really need to change how if you punch in and out in a previously recorded take, forming a "swipe comp." It is so annoying how you can't drag out a region before you punched in. You have to unpack the comp, drag it out and repack.

If you punch in and out in an area with no other regions, this works as expected, you can drag out the region, but not when it forms a comp.

Seems like a HUGE oversight. Again if I am missing something please let me know, because this drives me crazy. Also would like a better way to adjust fades in a comp, without having to flatten. To be honest the whole swipe comp feature seems not the most thought out and a little "toyish."

[mattrixx]

Originally Posted by pieca

I just want full screen & external video @ 64bit
Exporting audio to movie @ 64 bit would be great too…

That's all for me

Yup me too... Everything else, I can live comfortably with!

[NoVi]

The ability to manually assign tracks to processor core (or at minimum a more intelligent distribution of audio over the cores).

[NoVi]

Originally Posted by arrowood101

If I am missing something, please feel free to correct me. Honestly hope I am just doing something silly.

They really need to change how if you punch in and out in a previously recorded take, forming a "swipe comp." It is so annoying how you can't drag out a region before you punched in. You have to unpack the comp, drag it out and repack.

If you punch in and out in an area with no other regions, this works as expected, you can drag out the region, but not when it forms a comp.

Seems like a HUGE oversight. Again if I am missing something please let me know, because this drives me crazy. Also would like a better way to adjust fades in a comp, without having to flatten. To be honest the whole swipe comp feature seems not the most thought out and a little "toyish."

Maybe it's me but I don't like working with comps. What I usually do when I know that I need multiple tracks is duplicate tracks and switch while recording between the tracks. And while mixing audition the recordings on the different tracks and then gradually build one final track from the pieces on the different tracks.

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by arrowood101

It is so annoying how you can't drag out a region before you punched in.

What do you mean by 'drag out a region'?

And: are you aware of the little icon on the Take folders which switches between the two modes (QuickSwipe-mode vs 'normal' editing mode)?

[raymondwave]

I'm reposting this, because I think it's a pretty big thing considering the look and feel of Logic's possibly upcoming versions.

Jony Ive's minimalist designs could reshape the future of iOS, OS X

I think it's a bit of a contradiction that Mac's have always been somewhat minimalistic in design (thanks to Jony Ive to some extent) and the software lately has been everything but minimalistic. So now that we have the minimalistic designer running software, we might see something change in the future.. who knows how much time this will take, but at some point anyway.

[arrowood101]

Originally Posted by NoVi

Maybe it's me but I don't like working with comps. What I usually do when I know that I need multiple tracks is duplicate tracks and switch while recording between the tracks. And while mixing audition the recordings on the different tracks and then gradually build one final track from the pieces on the different tracks.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm talking more in a tracking session when you just need to punch in a word or two on a previous take. In this situation your recommendation wouldn't work the best for me.

Not really talking about comping a track after a bunch of takes.

[arrowood101]

Originally Posted by nativeaudio

What do you mean by 'drag out a region'?

Let me try to explain better. You are tracking vocals and have your lead vocal pretty close to where you want it, but need to now punch in a word or two in different spots. You give the singer 2 bars and then punch in for the word or two. Now lets say you punched in slightly too late.

When you do this it forms a quick swipe comp. I can not find a way to drag out the punch to the left (earlier), without unpacking, extending region and then repacking.

Originally Posted by nativeaudio

And: are you aware of the little icon on the Take folders which switches between the two modes (QuickSwipe-mode vs 'normal' editing mode)?

Forgot about that option, remember playing with it at one point, because I am not a fan of quick swipe. Remember there being other issues with that mode, but can't remember the exact issue. Will play around with it when I am at work tomorrow and see if it works for the situation above. Thanks for the recommendation.

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by arrowood101

When you do this it forms a quick swipe comp.

Yes, unless the Replace button in the Transport Bar is enabled.

If replace is enabled, Logic will just non-destructively overwrite the area you are punching in over.

Another hint: if you want Logic to record from *before* you actually press Record Toggle, make sure Punch On The Fly is enabled (a long click on the Record button will show you if it is or not).

Hint # 3: If you use Shift R (Record Toggle), you can punch in and out with the same key command.

Hint # 4, just in case you aren't aware of this: If you hold the mouse pointer exactly over the upper part of the junction between two region, the mouse will turn into a Junction Tool, which lets edit the end position of the leftmost region and the start position of the rightmost region at the same time.

[arrowood101]

The icon switching from quick swipe to "normal editing" did the trick. Would of assumed there would of been a way of doing this in quick swipe, either way using that icon is easier then unpacking and repacking.

Will have to play with it a bit more, because in the past I seem to remember Logic doing unexpected things to your comp when switching modes. Can't remember exactly and could be thinking back to the days with Logic 8 and the early bugs in quick swipe.

Knew there had to be some way. Either way seems like being able to drag out your punch points in swipe, might be a useful addition. But not the biggest deal.

Originally Posted by nativeaudio

Yes, unless the Replace button in the Transport Bar is enabled.

If replace is enabled, Logic will just non-destructively overwrite the area you are punching in over.

Yep have played with this a bit, but again seem to remember things getting weird when doing this a bunch with large comps. But again will have to play with it some more to remember.

Originally Posted by nativeaudio

Another hint: if you want Logic to record from *before* you actually press Record Toggle, make sure Punch On The Fly is enabled (a long click on the Record button will show you if it is or not).

Hint # 3: If you use Shift R (Record Toggle), you can punch in and out with the same key command.

Hint # 4, just in case you aren't aware of this: If you hold the mouse pointer exactly over the upper part of the junction between two region, the mouse will turn into a Junction Tool, which lets edit the end position of the leftmost region and the start position of the rightmost region at the same time.

Yep aware of these but thanks for the tips anyways and for taking the time to post. Everything with this was working as expected like I said. When recording over blank space you can easily pull out your punch points. Just this changed when punching in over an existing region.

Still doesn't seem the most useful way to deal with comps and punches to me personally, but if it works for others, eh maybe I'm just the weird one.

[Strangeheirs]

After ab ing vox with logic, cubase, pt 10, and GarageBand. I'm failing to understand why the dry vox monitored on lp9 sound so thin and tinny. I have found a few similar posts on here in which most ppl get accussed of being incompetent by the sheer mention of this reality. Personally as a vocalist I prefer a clean dry vox take in which I will add plugins or inserts accordingly. However monitoring the dry take with prerecorded music I am losing the tones that matter and am singing out of key. The only way for me to correct this is by sending eq, comp, plugins, etc., to an aux. I got logic after trying its younger sibling, which sounds better monitored than its big bro. So then my gitters are gonna proly sound the same right? Ok logic 10? New algorithm? But seriously this is my first post and to the ass clowns that say this is posted in the wrong forum; balls deep in your azzes. I like the format of this program and currently am recording my bands ep with logic. Its sounding great! BUT!

[davey boy]

Originally Posted by Strangeheirs

balls deep in your azzes

I'm in.




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[CSeye]

Originally Posted by Leevi

Why dont you get DP then?

He's a recording artist who uses DP.

I would love DP-like themes, Cubase-like articulation expressions, and Melodyne-like pitch correction.

[valis]

Originally Posted by Strangeheirs

After ab ing vox with logic, cubase, pt 10, and GarageBand. I'm failing to understand why the dry vox monitored on lp9 sound so thin and tinny. I have found a few similar posts on here in which most ppl get accussed of being incompetent by the sheer mention of this reality. Personally as a vocalist I prefer a clean dry vox take in which I will add plugins or inserts accordingly. However monitoring the dry take with prerecorded music I am losing the tones that matter and am singing out of key. The only way for me to correct this is by sending eq, comp, plugins, etc., to an aux. I got logic after trying its younger sibling, which sounds better monitored than its big bro. So then my gitters are gonna proly sound the same right? Ok logic 10? New algorithm?

Sounds like you might be getting software monitoring & hardware monitoring combined, what audio interface are you using?

Originally Posted by Strangeheirs

But seriously this is my first post and to the ass clowns that say this is posted in the wrong forum; balls deep in your azzes.

This part of your post isn't really necessary, especially for your first post eh.

[manysounds]

Originally Posted by Strangeheirs

After ab ing vox with logic, cubase, pt 10, and GarageBand. I'm failing to understand why the dry vox monitored on lp9 sound so thin and tinny. I have found a few similar posts on here in which most ppl get accussed of being incompetent by the sheer mention of this reality. Personally as a vocalist I prefer a clean dry vox take in which I will add plugins or inserts accordingly. However monitoring the dry take with prerecorded music I am losing the tones that matter and am singing out of key. The only way for me to correct this is by sending eq, comp, plugins, etc., to an aux. I got logic after trying its younger sibling, which sounds better monitored than its big bro. So then my gitters are gonna proly sound the same right? Ok logic 10? New algorithm? But seriously this is my first post and to the ass clowns that say this is posted in the wrong forum; balls deep in your azzes. I like the format of this program and currently am recording my bands ep with logic. Its sounding great! BUT!

You are out of your mind.
If you record a 24/96k input and don't move the faders, add EQ or use any plugins it will sound exactly the same in every single program. ALL of them: Protools, Reaper, GarageBand, Audacity.

[kim olesen]

Originally Posted by manysounds

You are out of your mind.
If you record a 24/96k input and don't move the faders, add EQ or use any plugins it will sound exactly the same in every single program. ALL of them: Protools, Reaper, GarageBand, Audacity.

This. His problem is user error.

[NoVi]

The ability to pinch in/ out vertically with a Trackpad, at the moment it only works horizontally.

[NoVi]

Originally Posted by arrowood101

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm talking more in a tracking session when you just need to punch in a word or two on a previous take. In this situation your recommendation wouldn't work the best for me.

Not really talking about comping a track after a bunch of takes.

Why wouldn't it work? Just rerecord it on a new track and drag it back on the track where you want to replace the words and do some fade in fade outs to give it a natural sounding character. The only time I use the comp feature is when I make a recording where I know before I start I'll probably need some retakes. But even then I'm in the habit of practising more complex passages through and through so usually I'm able to lay it down in 1 or two recording rounds. In the room where I do vocals/ guitar/ persussion recordings I have a MacBook Air at hand. I use it with Screen Sharing where I project the screen from my MacPro to my MBA. Works like a charm, especially now my MBA is all flash drive so no noise from fans .

[arrowood101]

Originally Posted by NoVi

Why wouldn't it work? Just rerecord it on a new track and drag it back on the track where you want to replace the words and do some fade in fade outs to give it a natural sounding character. The only time I use the comp feature is when I make a recording where I know before I start I'll probably need some retakes. But even then I'm in the habit of practising more complex passages through and through so usually I'm able to lay it down in 1 or two recording rounds. In the room where I do vocals/ guitar/ persussion recordings I have a MacBook Air at hand. I use it with Screen Sharing where I project the screen from my MacPro to my MBA. Works like a charm, especially now my MBA is all flash drive so no noise from fans .

There is many situations where that wouldn't be ideal, personally. If you are tracking and producing yourself, I can see how that works good for you. When I am using Logic, I am neither the producer or artist. I am the hired engineer (I know rare, but am a full time engineer and not into becoming a producer or artist) . Punching in is a basic process that has been in recording for decades. I can't exactly stop the session and say we can't do punch ins.

One example where punch ins are very important is something like guitars. Having the ability to have the player play along and then just punching in and out for a couple notes/chords, is pretty common and a nice option.

The easy solution to all of this would be for me to not do bad punch ins. The option Native mentioned with the icon that turns off quick swipe, seems to be working. Haven't tested it in a busy session yet, but will next time I am a little late in my punch in.

Still don't think it would be a bad idea for future versions to have the ability to pull out the punch points from quick swipe. Not the biggest issue by any means, but also seems like a pretty basic idea.

Again thank you for your suggestion, but it is not practical in most situations for me.

[danerius]

Originally Posted by manysounds

You are out of your mind.
If you record a 24/96k input and don't move the faders, add EQ or use any plugins it will sound exactly the same in every single program. ALL of them: Protools, Reaper, GarageBand, Audacity.

I have the same issue. Logic isnt working properly and Ive googled and tried stuff like nuts to get it to work. Theres tiny, tiny timing issues and an overall fizziness to most sounds that makes overdubs difficult

If I export an individual track it doesnt sync up with a bounced one. Its a couple of samples off. MIDI tracks differ in timing from audio ones when exporting. Im certain its my set up and that it can be fixed but Ive tried like crazy and found nothing. In the end, I chose another DAW

Regards /Bo

[Osc1lfo]

Originally Posted by NoVi

The ability to manually assign tracks to processor core (or at minimum a more intelligent distribution of audio over the cores).

Unfortunately there's no way in OS X for an app to seize a core for its exclusive use. You can manually assign tracks to *nodes*, which isn't close to the same thing, but is as close as I can think of...

More efficient use of CPU resource usage, that is something which is feasible, we can cross our fingers for that.

It's probably been said, but every time I open a plugin I would like the plugin UI to appear on my iPad. They could make one hell of a remote control app if they chose to.

[martinman300]

Originally Posted by Osc1lfo

It's probably been said, but every time I open a plugin I would like the plugin UI to appear on my iPad. They could make one hell of a remote control app if they chose to.

Try V control, it does what you want, isn't too cheap though.

[champ]

I want Apple to spent 21 million less on a ****ing clock design.

And at least 1 freakin dollar more on Logic pro X.




On the other hand now we now where Apple has its focus on.

[NoVi]

Originally Posted by danerius

I have the same issue. Logic isnt working properly and Ive googled and tried stuff like nuts to get it to work. Theres tiny, tiny timing issues and an overall fizziness to most sounds that makes overdubs difficult

If I export an individual track it doesnt sync up with a bounced one. Its a couple of samples off. MIDI tracks differ in timing from audio ones when exporting. Im certain its my set up and that it can be fixed but Ive tried like crazy and found nothing. In the end, I chose another DAW

Regards /Bo

Your issues seem to me to be related to your Audio Preferences.