Logic 10 - What do you want?

[The Beatsmith]

The GUI in Logic isn't latency/delay compensated. If you use a lot of high latency plugins like dsp cards (duende hardware did it) plus heavy oversampling and look ahead plugins, it's easy for the meters to bounce out of time.

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by The Beatsmith

The GUI in Logic isn't latency/delay compensated. If you use a lot of high latency plugins like dsp cards (duende hardware did it) plus heavy oversampling and look ahead plugins, it's easy for the meters to bounce out of time.

There we go: the reason. Can we have that sorted please, Apple, as it makes the thing feel like a fukkin toy!

[manysounds]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

There we go: the reason. Can we have that sorted please, Apple, as it makes the thing feel like a fukkin toy!

Thirded

[NoVi]

Just came up with this idea: integrate Airplay into Logic. No more need to do mixdown> judge mix from other room/ set of speaker > remix > etc.

[musicl]

Originally Posted by NoVi

Just came up with this idea: integrate Airplay into Logic. No more need to do mixdown> judge mix from other room/ set of speaker > remix > etc.

Great idea!

[nas]

Originally Posted by NoVi

Just came up with this idea: integrate Airplay into Logic. No more need to do mixdown> judge mix from other room/ set of speaker > remix > etc.

very cool

[bigfapbrap]

Hey guys, I have a quick question on audio editing in Logic.

How can I slice audio with precision in Logic without having to zoom in on tracks?

If I'm normal view in the arrange window I sometimes cut in the wrong place. I have to zoom in on tracks to get a precise cut.

Any modes or options to fix this? I recently started working with audio more and this is frustrating.

Thanks in advance

[claesbjo]

Originally Posted by bigfapbrap

Hey guys, I have a quick question on audio editing in Logic.

How can I slice audio with precision in Logic without having to zoom in on tracks?

If I'm normal view in the arrange window I sometimes cut in the wrong place. I have to zoom in on tracks to get a precise cut.

Any modes or options to fix this? I recently started working with audio more and this is frustrating.

Thanks in advance

How would you make an precise cut in any DAW without zooming in to the waveform?

[bigfapbrap]

Originally Posted by claesbjo

How would you make an precise cut in any DAW without zooming in to the waveform?

When I make a cut, it's offten cut at a different place. As if the slice tool snaps to a grid. Don't know if snap affects the slice tool also.

But I shouldn't have to zoom in on a pretty visible sample to make an accurate cut. The pic below is command Z zoomed in.

Now the slice in the arrange doesn't match with the slice in the sample editor. It's either a hit or miss. I find that I have to go back and zoom in quite a bit to get a good slice.

Hopefully I explained it well enough.

[nativeaudio]

Since the zoom level are so different between Arrange and the Sample Editor in your picture/example (probably close to a 1:2 ratio), they will look different, especially on a detail level. The material will probably be twice as detailed/correct with a twice as high zoom level.

The pic below is command Z zoomed in.

That's not a good solution when half the region is silence, but even without all the silence at the end - if you want to "slice audio with precision" you simply have to face the fact that a screen representation at a low horizontal zoom level may reduce a width of (ten) thousands of samples down to a few pixels.

If you want precision work on a transient level, it simply has to look wrong if your screen shows 50 bars of audio within a small horizontal area.

[teedoff087]

Wrong thread, but I'll try to answer your question anyway.

Hold down Control while clicking your edit point with the Scissors tool. This overrides the Snap Mode temporarily. If you need more precision, hold down Control and Shift (this is down to the Sample level).

[bigfapbrap]

Cool thanks for the tips. Eh, so zooooooom in huh.

I posted here because I was about to whine for an improvement and do the whole "Cubase has better audio editing" haha

[valis]

I use keybinds for 'fastforward by...' and 'rewind by...' (or whatever) and have the normal <> keys (actually , and . but I visualize it as < and >) for moving the SPL by 1 beat forward/back, with different combos of shift/cmd/ctrl giving additional levels up (bar) and down (1/4 etc). I can do on-grid based slicing really fast using this along with 'split by playhead' (or whatever) bound to \

And beyond that I suggest teedoff087's answer along with keeping the audio editor open in 'catch contents' mode at a high zoom level, while the arrange is at a more normal zoom mode. This is the typical Logic audio editing workflow going back to v5 or 4 at least.

[Sascha Franck]

I never keep the audio editor open. I only use it if there's absolutely no other choice. Right, yes, I hate the audio editor.

- Sascha

[markham]

Originally Posted by Sascha Franck

I never keep the audio editor open. I only use it if there's absolutely no other choice. Right, yes, I hate the audio editor.

- Sascha

I assume you mean the Waveform Editor. If so, then YES. I agree 100%.

[xgman]

I just wish there was some way to not waste time scanning all the plugins each time you start Logic.

[Sascha Franck]

Originally Posted by xgman

I just wish there was some way to not waste time scanning all the plugins each time you start Logic.

It doesn't do that. At least not normally.

- Sascha

[claesbjo]

Originally Posted by Sascha Franck

It doesn't do that. At least not normally.

- Sascha

Maybe he means the "searching for audio unit plug ins.." message that comes after the core and midi initialization .. Can take a while if you have a lot of plugs i guess..

[A Fak]

Originally Posted by NoVi

Just came up with this idea: integrate Airplay into Logic. No more need to do mixdown> judge mix from other room/ set of speaker > remix > etc.

It would be nice to be built in to logic but you can do this now with airfoil:

rogueamoeba\airfoil

I use it all the time and its great. Audiohijack from them is also very useful.

[gussyg2007]

Originally Posted by xgman

I just wish there was some way to not waste time scanning all the plugins each time you start Logic.

That's nothing compared to the half a day wasted waiting for my ex24 lib to scan ......yawn yawn ...finger strum .. Finger strum

[harry3a]

And I am the 2000 post on this thread

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by gussyg2007

That's nothing compared to the half a day wasted waiting for my ex24 lib to scan ......yawn yawn ...finger strum .. Finger strum

Do you have aliases in your Sampler Instrument folder??

[Sascha Franck]

I really don't get the complaints about plugin and/or EXS instrument scans.
I probably don't have as much plugins installed as other folks, but there's still quite some, and even on my aging Macbook it's all done pretty fast. Like, in 2-3 seconds or so.
Scanning EXS instruments (of which I have a lot) indeed takes a little while longer but I can't say it's inacceptable or anything.
I'm not sure where I read it, but I seem to remember that your EXS files (and probably the samples, too) should better be placed on indexed drives - which makes some sort of sense to me, as I think Logic is using spotlight for quite some of its database functions.

- Sascha

[kim olesen]

Originally Posted by Sascha Franck

I never keep the audio editor open. I only use it if there's absolutely no other choice. Right, yes, I hate the audio editor.

- Sascha

+1

[valis]

The thing is, if you have it set to catch contents and the scroll in play icon is set in the Wave editor, when you hold down CTRL with the scissors in the arrange you'll see the wave editor follow your edit. At a high zoom factor in the wave editor you can be sample accurate (assuming the arrange is also zoomed in enough).

Now you may have a disdain for the audio editor...and while I actually feel that PT & Nuendo/Cubase have a decent edge in this department with the speed & ease of arrange view audio editing, the workflow I outlined is how Logic is designed to work at present.

[Sascha Franck]

Sure, you *can* work with the audio editor. But really, if something, this could need some major improvements. Probably it should be integrated into the arrangement (well, I'm actually *not* sure whether I'd like that as the only solution, so it'd probably be the best to have both).

- Sascha

[valis]

Again, for sample accurate edits of audio parts I do prefer PT/Cubendo for the arrange level sample accurate audio view/editing that is possible. However I am responding specifically to bigfapbrap's question, and the 2 posts following it on how to get sample accurate editing when doing cuts on the Arrange page in Logic. You can keep saying "I don't like it" all you want but it doesn't remove the fact that this is the workflow.

A better answer imo is "please give us the same sample accurate precision available in Cubase/Nuendo/PT in Logic's Arrange view, with similar draw speeds". And I'd include the crossfade editor in that too, as this is another quite common request.

[markham]

Originally Posted by valis

A better answer imo is "please give us the same sample accurate precision available in Cubase/Nuendo/PT in Logic's Arrange view, with similar draw speeds". And I'd include the crossfade editor in that too, as this is another quite common request.

All right, that's cool. Let's say it that way, then.

[gussyg2007]

Originally Posted by nativeaudio

Do you have aliases in your Sampler Instrument folder??

I have all sorts in there ...I did try to sort it all out a couple of years ago so everthing is in one folder but there might be aliases lurking around in there

[thehightenor]

Is there definitely going to be a Logic X?

I mean this thread is a long laundry list of wishes and moans but as the months pass by, one after an other .... autumn turns to winter, winter turns to spring and now summer 2012 is upon us .... I still wonder, is there actually going to be a Logic X.

I do hope so, I just wish Apple would get on with it and release it!

tht