Brauer PT Template

Soliton · 1st October 2005, 06:52 PM

In one of the threads by Michael Brauer, he mentioned a Pro Tools template for his multi-buss compression methods - a sort of ITB version of his analog setup.

I can't seem to find this thread (searching yields nothing) so I apologize if this is done. But if it's not, let's get it going!

One catch though, I'm on LE

I'm thinking of starting with just 2 instead of his 4. Also, I don't have too many cool plug-ins to fill up the chain. Anyways, would it be as easy as creating 2 stereo auxes and setting the INPUTS to Bus 1&2, and the other to Bus 3&4. Then I can keep the OUTPUT of the bass and drums to Analog 1&2 and also above that, send out my desired amount to Bus 1&2. And other instruments would go to Bus 3&4 for a different plugin chain.

And now the obvious kicker - no plugin delay compensation. Can you nudge auxes? Or would I have to have the DSP to duplicate those plugins on EVERY track and disable them just to match up the delay? Any good workarounds? (OTHER than switching programs) I've heard of a plugin (maybe not RTAS available) that is just a track delayer. Aftering insertingit, you just type in the amount of samples. It seems a bit easier than making playlists and nudging.

Please help me get something like this going for LE.

Thanks a LOT,
Tom.

Shan · 2nd October 2005, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soliton

Or would I have to have the DSP to duplicate those plugins on EVERY track and disable them just to match up the delay?
Thanks a LOT,
Tom.

Thats my approach for PT LE.

Shane

Soliton · 5th November 2005, 04:45 PM

Isn't there a delay plugin where you just type in the number of samples and it delays the playback of the track by that value?

**Jules** · 5th November 2005, 04:49 PM

I had a quick go and found it didn't work for me on my Mix + TDM system..

Perhaps I was setting it up wrong...

I WAS using delay compensation plug ins to get the phase of all the busses as close as possible.

See how you get on with it and report back..

LAU · 6th November 2005, 07:34 AM

i have done it both in LE and on a mix +system...

didnt try it on HD yet, but i suppose it would work fine there....

on LE there shouldnt be any problems as long as you stay within te buffer..

thats one of the nice things of LE, as long as you stay within the buffer you need no ADC, not possible with outboard though off course

..i would try it with the free 1176 bombfactory since you set that one to noticable compression pretty easily....

back then, before i knew about michael brauer's multibussing technique i tried it on a mix+, it was a bit more work since there was no ADC yet, but i just used thetime adjuster plugin....

i did however read an intervieuw with joe chicarelli in wich he called this bus technique paralel compression...

the best results for this technique hower come with analog outboard compressors....there colouration is more complex then plugins...

i have also tried that when i still had my mix+ system.

so far the best results i got with a plugin was using the BF fairchild, vintage warmer and BF 1176....

i do not own an UA card but these are supposed to sound a bit better then the BF similair ones....at least thats what i heard of a friend of mine....

all in all it is a very nice technique and i am curious for testing it with the new URS compressor plugins....

it doesnt always work though, it really depends on the material you work on....but we all knew that didnt we ?

T_R_S · 6th November 2005, 08:53 AM

I can't find it in the seach either is it here or another web site?

the1Hub · 7th November 2005, 04:30 AM

i did this by memory so sorry if its not perfect but its definatly close. imixed a few songs this way and got some good sounds. this is done with digirack plugins only so that everybody who wants to can try it out, i highly suggest using better compressor plugins if you have them.

enjoy

True North · 7th November 2005, 05:04 AM

Hub,

What is the file type that you are offering for dowload - is is a PT session? Can I open it on PC?

Thanks for sharing it with us, cheers!

I have tried to use MB's Multi-buss setup but I can't get it to work right with my PT-LE system. Like Jules mentioned there are noticeable phase issues for which I have been unable to find a suitable work around.

Shan · 7th November 2005, 06:12 AM

Here is a PT LE session that I posted awhile back on GS. It should help a few here with the phase issues.

Shane

the1Hub · 7th November 2005, 06:32 AM

its a .pts file created on mac with the enforce mac/pc compatibility enabled. if it didnt open correctly email me

g c 4 3 2 at h o t m a i l dot com (no spaces of course i hate spammers)

i will send you it to you un zipped.

jules you should consider opening up the attachments to include major daw session files. (protools,cubase,nuendo,logic.dp,ect)

True North · 7th November 2005, 08:02 PM

Hub and Shan,

You guys both rule, thanks for the help. Michael Brauer watch out!!!!

True North · 8th November 2005, 03:56 AM

Well I just finished using Shan's Multi Buss template as a guide and it worked like a charm. Only difference was that I used the sends on each drum channel to send signal to my comp bus. This allows me to send a seperate mix to the compressor bus and take out anything that I might not want to compress (i.e. Kik or Cymbals). Very cool, I am stoked (I can't beleive I just said stoked) - cheers and thanks to hub as well , I couldn't get your template up and running.

the1Hub · 8th November 2005, 06:18 AM

ive gotten a couple of emails from windows users that the file would not open correctly. so here is every way i can think of .zip'ing a file

on the first attachment ("MB Multi Buss Comp for PC 2.zip") the file is not actual zipped i just changed the .pts to .zip just to get on the server. all you need to do is change the .zip back to .pts ("MB Multi Buss Comp for PC 2.pts") after you download it the rest are just zip files created using diffrent compresion utlities. so one of these should work for everybody

enjoy
aaron

MB Multi Buss Comp for PC 2.zip

Shan · 8th November 2005, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by True North

Well I just finished using Shan's Multi Buss template as a guide and it worked like a charm. Only difference was that I used the sends on each drum channel to send signal to my comp bus. This allows me to send a seperate mix to the compressor bus and take out anything that I might not want to compress (i.e. Kik or Cymbals). Very cool, I am stoked (I can't beleive I just said stoked) - cheers and thanks to hub as well , I couldn't get your template up and running.

Glad you have put it to good use. Just to let others know, it was created in PT LE on the PC but also works on mac.

Shane

the1Hub · 9th November 2005, 09:57 AM

i havent heard any complaints yet dose that mean the new files are working?

Shan · 9th November 2005, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the1Hub

i havent heard any complaints yet dose that mean the new files are working?

I downloaded your second one and it works. Your plugins had no settings though. Unless you just kept everything flat.

Shane

the1Hub · 9th November 2005, 11:00 AM

i kept them flat so everybody would have to try and experiment with them on there own. its just more fun that way i promise.

Shan · 9th November 2005, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the1Hub

i kept them flat so everybody would have to try and experiment with them on there own. its just more fun that way i promise.

Excellent. It works great in PT LE on the PC.

Shane

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1st October 2005, 06:52 PM	#1
Soliton Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 74	Brauer PT Template In one of the threads by Michael Brauer, he mentioned a Pro Tools template for his multi-buss compression methods - a sort of ITB version of his analog setup. I can't seem to find this thread (searching yields nothing) so I apologize if this is done. But if it's not, let's get it going! One catch though, I'm on LE I'm thinking of starting with just 2 instead of his 4. Also, I don't have too many cool plug-ins to fill up the chain. Anyways, would it be as easy as creating 2 stereo auxes and setting the INPUTS to Bus 1&2, and the other to Bus 3&4. Then I can keep the OUTPUT of the bass and drums to Analog 1&2 and also above that, send out my desired amount to Bus 1&2. And other instruments would go to Bus 3&4 for a different plugin chain. And now the obvious kicker - no plugin delay compensation. Can you nudge auxes? Or would I have to have the DSP to duplicate those plugins on EVERY track and disable them just to match up the delay? Any good workarounds? (OTHER than switching programs) I've heard of a plugin (maybe not RTAS available) that is just a track delayer. Aftering insertingit, you just type in the amount of samples. It seems a bit easier than making playlists and nudging. Please help me get something like this going for LE. Thanks a LOT, Tom.

5th November 2005, 04:49 PM	#4
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 11,790	I had a quick go and found it didn't work for me on my Mix + TDM system.. Perhaps I was setting it up wrong... I WAS using delay compensation plug ins to get the phase of all the busses as close as possible. See how you get on with it and report back.. __________________ Jules "PS. I don't have an opinion on the topic." - jdtrbn

6th November 2005, 08:53 AM	#6
T_R_S Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canuk Posts: 3,414	I can't find it in the seach either is it here or another web site? __________________ === NEW Into Eternity Video Pre-Release

7th November 2005, 05:04 AM	#8
True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,477	Hub, What is the file type that you are offering for dowload - is is a PT session? Can I open it on PC? Thanks for sharing it with us, cheers! I have tried to use MB's Multi-buss setup but I can't get it to work right with my PT-LE system. Like Jules mentioned there are noticeable phase issues for which I have been unable to find a suitable work around. __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

5th November 2005, 04:45 PM	#3
Soliton Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 74	Isn't there a delay plugin where you just type in the number of samples and it delays the playback of the track by that value?

6th November 2005, 07:34 AM	#5
LAU Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 196	i have done it both in LE and on a mix +system... didnt try it on HD yet, but i suppose it would work fine there.... on LE there shouldnt be any problems as long as you stay within te buffer.. thats one of the nice things of LE, as long as you stay within the buffer you need no ADC, not possible with outboard though off course ..i would try it with the free 1176 bombfactory since you set that one to noticable compression pretty easily.... back then, before i knew about michael brauer's multibussing technique i tried it on a mix+, it was a bit more work since there was no ADC yet, but i just used thetime adjuster plugin.... i did however read an intervieuw with joe chicarelli in wich he called this bus technique paralel compression... the best results for this technique hower come with analog outboard compressors....there colouration is more complex then plugins... i have also tried that when i still had my mix+ system. so far the best results i got with a plugin was using the BF fairchild, vintage warmer and BF 1176.... i do not own an UA card but these are supposed to sound a bit better then the BF similair ones....at least thats what i heard of a friend of mine.... all in all it is a very nice technique and i am curious for testing it with the new URS compressor plugins.... it doesnt always work though, it really depends on the material you work on....but we all knew that didnt we ?

7th November 2005, 06:12 AM	#9
Shan Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 634	Here is a PT LE session that I posted awhile back on GS. It should help a few here with the phase issues. Shane __________________ "Music should be performed by the musician not by the engineer." Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM _____________________________________________

7th November 2005, 06:32 AM	#10
the1Hub Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: where there are blue skies 315 days a year Posts: 450	its a .pts file created on mac with the enforce mac/pc compatibility enabled. if it didnt open correctly email me g c 4 3 2 at h o t m a i l dot com (no spaces of course i hate spammers) i will send you it to you un zipped. jules you should consider opening up the attachments to include major daw session files. (protools,cubase,nuendo,logic.dp,ect) __________________ hmm... http://www.myspace.com/aaronhubbard

7th November 2005, 08:02 PM	#11
True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,477	Hub and Shan, You guys both rule, thanks for the help. Michael Brauer watch out!!!! __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

8th November 2005, 03:56 AM	#12
True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,477	Well I just finished using Shan's Multi Buss template as a guide and it worked like a charm. Only difference was that I used the sends on each drum channel to send signal to my comp bus. This allows me to send a seperate mix to the compressor bus and take out anything that I might not want to compress (i.e. Kik or Cymbals). Very cool, I am stoked (I can't beleive I just said stoked) - cheers and thanks to hub as well , I couldn't get your template up and running. __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

9th November 2005, 09:57 AM	#15
the1Hub Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: where there are blue skies 315 days a year Posts: 450	i havent heard any complaints yet dose that mean the new files are working? __________________ hmm... http://www.myspace.com/aaronhubbard

9th November 2005, 11:00 AM	#17
the1Hub Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: where there are blue skies 315 days a year Posts: 450	i kept them flat so everybody would have to try and experiment with them on there own. its just more fun that way i promise. __________________ hmm... http://www.myspace.com/aaronhubbard

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