Why should I buy Cubase Studio 5 retail and not Edu?

[hilander74]

Looking to buy Cubase Studio 5 and can't see why I shouldn't get the cheaper Edu version which can be got from ebay or Amazon.

Seems to me they are exactly the same apart from maybe not getting a full printed manual with the Edu and the price of course.
Registering the product is the same either way also.

As I understand it, if I need to upgrade in the future from the Edu to Cubase 6 or whatever, I just pay the same upgrade price as everyone else without any problems.
It seems the onus is on the seller of the software to ensure the buyer is actually in education (I'm not I should add) but the sellers I've come across on Amazon and ebay generally don't.

There is also no restriction on me using the Edu version for commercial use in the future.

So why would I fork out the extra E150 and not buy the Edu version?
Am I missing something?

[jcschild]

without proof of EDU status
1) you wont be able to register
2) no support
3) will NOT be able to upgrage to the next version.

you might cheat the system and save now but in the long run its not worth it

if you look /ask around you should be able to get it for $50 off

Scott
ADK

[hilander74]

Originally Posted by jcschild

without proof of EDU status
1) you wont be able to register
2) no support
3) will NOT be able to upgrage to the next version.

you might cheat the system and save now but in the long run its not worth it

if you look /ask around you should be able to get it for $50 off

Scott
ADK

thanks scott,
I'm not sure all that is correct though.

according to this thread:
Cubase.net .:::. View topic - Cubase 5 Educational Problem HELP!

there is no difference in registering the product whether retail or edu. so I would get support and be able to upgrade like everyone else.

[shanabit]

I wish theyd kill the stupid ED copies.

I think you missed this part Scott said,"without proof of EDU status"

Thats is absolutely true

1. You cant get support UNLESS you are a registered USER
2. You CANT upgrade your version UNLESS your product is registered
3. Support is only offered to REGISTERED users


ANd the list goes on. See the theme though

You have to PROVE you are a student

[hilander74]

But what I'm saying is that there would be no problem registering my copy.
There is no difference in the registration procedure whether its retail or edu.

They don't ask you for proof that you are in education when you are registering, only when you are buying the edu. product from them.

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by hilander74

But what I'm saying is that there would be no problem registering my copy.
There is no difference in the registration procedure whether its retail or edu.

They don't ask you for proof that you are in education when you are registering, only when you are buying the edu. product from them.

You have the dongle yes?? Try it who knows at this point with them honestly.

See, being a SIMPLE man I would have a little section on MY WEBSITE about Educational versions. Heres how it would go:

The educational version WILL ALLOW you to:
1.$%**&^&*^
2. &^*($%$
3. #$%%^^

With the Educational version you CANNOT:
1. ^%#@$%
2. @#$&&&&

There, was that so difficult???? Id LOVE to run that company and FIX it

BTW, you HAVE to do a transfer of ownership fro Cubase when you buy it from a third party or all those thing apply that I listed

[hilander74]

No, I don't have the dongle or the software, I'm just going by what the guy on the steinberg thread was saying.
Which is, that he bought the edu. version and registered it without any problems.

BTW, you HAVE to do a transfer of ownership fro Cubase when you buy it from a third party or all those thing apply that I listed

I don't understand what you men by this. I would be buying a new, sealed copy. I'm looking at it on Amazon now, there's nothing about a 'transfer of ownership' or proof that you are in education:

Cubase Studio 5 Education Copy: Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by hilander74

No, I don't have the dongle or the software, I'm just going by what the guy on the steinberg thread was saying.
Which is, that he bought the edu. version and registered it without any problems.

I don't understand what you men by this. I would be buying a new, sealed copy. I'm looking at it on Amazon now, there's nothing about a 'transfer of ownership' or proof that you are in education:

Cubase Studio 5 Education Copy: Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games

Ask yourself this question??

Why would I Pay FULL PRICE when I can get the education version a lot cheaper. Dont you think EVERYONE would just buy the Educational version???
I would

Good luck

[hilander74]

Ask yourself this question??

Why would I Pay FULL PRICE when I can get the education version a lot cheaper.

I am, see thread title.

I guess most people just assumed they would have to provide proof to either the seller of the software or to steinberg that they are in education.
It seems to me that you don't have to in many cases.
I only found one ebay seller who provided a form to fill out stating that you were in education.
Thomann used to also, but it seems they don't aynmore.

I'm sure steinberg realise that there are many edu. version users who aren't in education but they obviously feel it pays off to offer an edu. version.
They don't have to offer an edu. version, they don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Maybe they see it as a way of attracting new customers and users.
Even the form steinberg provide when you buy it from them, is very vague.
All you do is sign your name saying your a teacher/student.
There is no request for further proof such as student ID or college details.

No-one has yet to convince why I should buy the retail version and spend an extra E150.

[s.d.finley]

Originally Posted by hilander74

I am, see thread title.

I guess most people just assumed they would have to provide proof to either the seller of the software or to steinberg that they are in education.
It seems to me that you don't have to in many cases.
I only found one ebay seller who provided a form to fill out stating that you were in education.
Thomann used to also, but it seems they don't aynmore.

I'm sure steinberg realise that there are many edu. version users who aren't in education but they obviously feel it pays off to offer an edu. version.
They don't have to offer an edu. version, they don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Maybe they see it as a way of attracting new customers and users.
Even the form steinberg provide when you buy it from them, is very vague.
All you do is sign your name saying your a teacher/student.
There is no request for further proof such as student ID or college details.

No-one has yet to convince why I should buy the retail version and spend an extra E150.

First, are you a student?

If no, then the answer is obvious. Purchase the full version.

[harry_seldon]

Originally Posted by shanabit

You have to PROVE you are a student

I am a student of the human condition. There is room for users to take advantage of edu discounts. It is much better than piracy for everyone involved. Younger people tend to buy them, it builds brand loyalty, and tends to be bought by non pro/enterprise customers.

Office Student and Teacher edition was a huge success for Microsoft in reducing piracy of Office. They even looked the other way in verification, and then just started selling it as the Student and Home edition. Big success!

[hilander74]

Thanks harry, finally some sense from someone.

s.d., No I'm not a student but have spent 3 years in music tech education.
Should I have bought it then? Yeah sure, but I didn't because the college had enough dongles to round during classes.

Unless you're implying that I should buy the retail version for moral reasons as opposed to economic reasons?
You think steinberg are selling reduced price edu. version for moral reasons?
Course not, why should they?

I'm not saying that I or anyone else should be dishonest and wrongfully claim to be in education when buying direct from steinberg, as that would be supplying false information and break the terms of sale.

But the versions supplied by third parties (on Amazon etc.) were bought from steinberg legally at some point (maybe from a college/institution which over-bought/went bust whatever) and they legally sold the copies on to third party suppliers, which they are entitled to do according to steinberg themselves.

So I'm not doing anything wrong, neither are the sellers.
Steinberg are happy, because they've sold their product and made their money.
The 3rd party suppliers are happy because they've made their mark up on it.
I'm happy because I get a great product at a reduced price.
So it's win/win all round as far as I can see.

It seems to only people suggesting I should buy the retail version are those who paid the full price and don't like seeing people get something for less than they did.

First, are you a student?

If no, then the answer is obvious. Purchase the full version.

s.d., with respect, the answer isn't obvious at all, which is why I posted this thread, and you haven't offered me any reason at all.

[s.d.finley]

Originally Posted by hilander74

Thanks harry, finally some sense from someone.

s.d., No I'm not a student but have spent 3 years in music tech education.
Should I have bought it then? Yeah sure, but I didn't because the college had enough dongles to round during classes.

Unless you're implying that I should buy the retail version for moral reasons as opposed to economic reasons?
You think steinberg are selling reduced price edu. version for moral reasons?
Course not, why should they?

I'm not saying that I or anyone else should be dishonest and wrongfully claim to be in education when buying direct from steinberg, as that would be supplying false information and break the terms of sale.

But the versions supplied by third parties (on Amazon etc.) were bought from steinberg legally at some point (maybe from a college/institution which over-bought/went bust whatever) and they legally sold the copies on to third party suppliers, which they are entitled to do according to steinberg themselves.

So I'm not doing anything wrong, neither are the sellers. It seems to only people suggesting I should buy the retail version are those who paid the full price and don't like seeing people get something for less than they did.



s.d., with respect, the answer isn't obvious at all, which is why I posted this thread, and you haven't offered me any reason at all.

I understand what you are saying. Getting a good deal in these hard economic times is a good deal as long as its done legally. As others posted, you will probably not be able to register and you would be breaking Steinys EULA. No support, and most all EULA concerning EDU software states that you are not allowed to use the edu software for professional use.... ie getting paid.

My implications are more of the moral nature. You are currently not a student. EDU version is for students and teachers. Its appears pretty simple to me. It seems that you already have your mind made on this issue.

[hilander74]

you will probably not be able to register and you would be breaking Steinys EULA. No support, and most all EULA concerning EDU software states that you are not allowed to use the edu software for professional use.... ie getting paid.

This is exactly what I want to know.
From what I've read elsewhere, none of that is actually true and at no point am I doing anything ilegal or anything which breaks steinberg's EULA.

This is what I want clarifed as I don't want to run the risk of breaking the EULA and be able to get full support for the product.

I'm not quite with you on the moral issue. We live in a capitalist society where companies can offer people products at any price they think people will buy them at.
Steinberg aren't losing out here. They've sold the product already.
And I'm sure they would much rather have me as a long term customer, who could be paying for upgrades (at full price) long into the future, instead of me buying Logic or ProTools.

[s.d.finley]

Originally Posted by hilander74

This is exactly what I want to know.
From what I've read elsewhere, none of that is actually true and at no point am I doing anything ilegal or anything which breaks steinberg's EULA.

This is what I want clarifed as I don't want to run the risk of breaking the EULA and be able to get full support for the product.

I'm not quite with you on the moral issue. We live in a capitalist society where companies can offer people products at any price they think people will buy them at.
Steinberg aren't losing out here. They've sold the product already.
And I'm sure they would much rather have me as a long term customer, who could be paying for upgrades (at full price) long into the future, instead of me buying Logic or ProTools.

If you are not breaking steinys EULA, then there really is no problem. You should contact steiny just to be sure you can get out of the edu what you want.

[hilander74]

cheers s.d., I guess that would be the best thing to do.

[LQM]

As Scott said, nobody should sell you or transfer you a license unless you can prove educational status. If a vendor knowingly sells you an edu version without verifying you qualify, they can lose their license to sell Steinberg's products.

If it's an independent, you have to get them to transfer the license if it was already registered and at this point, STeinberg won't do the license transfer unless you prove that you qualify for educational discount status.

If the independent party qualified and didn't register the product *or most importantly didn't install the software and put the licenses on the dongle* then you might get away with it, but should it leak out to Steinberg, they can take action against the original seller and yourself.

Why take the chance ? If you can't afford the full retail version of Cubase, you should consider Reaper or something more in your budget range.

[hilander74]

thanks for the info LQM.

Does anyone know if giving private lessons in desktop recording/cubase qualifies you for an edu. license or do you have to be in a recognised edu. institution?

I've been using cubase in one form or another since 1996 (cubase audio XT 3.0) which I never kept updated. I used that version until 2003, then used a mix of SX (in college), ProTools and more recently Reaper, and I'm keen to return to the fold.

[JorgV]

All that is said before is true:

-Yes, you have to be part of an educational facility.

-Yes, you can buy a EDU-copy and register it. Registration is no different from full version. You should have to prove to the seller (retailer) that you have EDU-status, so the retailer can justify selling an EDU-copy: he has to answer to Steinberg about this, not you. Steinberg doesn't ask you for your EDU-status, they ask the retailer.

-Yes, if you do that but you are violating the EULA

-There are no EDU-priced updates, updates costs the same as full.

-Not sure if you can use EDU-versions commercially



So... just buy the full version ;-) , in the end it is a better investment (as also said before )

[Jonesfromindia]

dont want to read the posts...but


anyone ever heard of crossgrade?

Stienberg doesnt care if you're using free recording software, just that you are coming from another DAW. its the same price as EDU i think, maybe even cheaper.

i used to sell it all the time. no proof needed even.

[hilander74]

Can only find crossgrades to wavelab and nuendo.
Been trying to contact Steinberg but can't find an email address for them unless you're a registered customer.

[harry_seldon]

Frankly, I don't know why anyone gives one whit whether anyone uses the "edu" editions. It kind of reminds me of "weed" in high school/college. It was the "edu" edition of beer.

The point being, the farther I got away from school, the farther I got away from weed. Even if I wanted an "edu" edition, I don't know any teens or college students to get it for me. The same goes for weed. So, I suspect the "edu" editions get used by their target, or close to target audience, and probably get's abused at the margins.

As a company exec, I much rather have some 6th year "student" buying my discounted package rather than pirating, or stealing a competitors software. That person is much more likely to buy the full price product down the road, and continue to be a paying customer with all the network effects of brad loyalty.

[kasprouch]

Originally Posted by Jonesfromindia

dont want to read the posts...but


anyone ever heard of crossgrade?

no crossgrades were made available on C5.

buy the edu and be done with it - you're fine for support and you can upgrade it just like you would the full retail version. once you get it, go to the site and register it just like you would any other product. done.

its as simple as this because its the vendors responsibility to verify your student status - Steinberg couldnt give a screw, and never has.

[Lawrence]

I know a guy who bought C4 "competitive upgrade" from a major retailer and nobody asked for proof of ownership of any other product. Frankly, they don't care... they just want to move stock.

As far as I know the "edu" edition is exactly the same as the full version... it just costs less. If I were buying Cubase for the first time I would certainly seek out the best price. I'm a student... of the economy.

[Phaidon]

Originally Posted by Lawrence

I know a guy who bought C4 "competitive upgrade" from a major retailer and nobody asked for proof of ownership of any other product.

Not for C5...there are no competitive upgrades.

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by kasprouch

no crossgrades were made available on C5.

buy the edu and be done with it - you're fine for support and you can upgrade it just like you would the full retail version. once you get it, go to the site and register it just like you would any other product. done.

its as simple as this because its the vendors responsibility to verify your student status - Steinberg couldnt give a screw, and never has.

That sounds correct

[LQM]

Have you actually reported someone to Steinberg for using an edu version without qualifying status to know that they don't give a screw ???

Even if you did, it's unlikely that SB would then say 'Thank You' and give you a discount coupon or free upgrade - this I think is safe to assume

One thing they can do if they find out about you using an edu version without qualifying, is refuse to issue any authorization codes should you break the dongle, or refuse any upgrades pertaining to that account, or give you extra conditions such as 'your upgrade price will contain a penalty'. They cannot however send the cops to your home and arrest you, as it is the vendor's responsibility to verify edu status.

[Mark Kaufman]

No one's going to bother to blow the whistle, and no one at Steinberg is going to try to investigate.

Between Steinberg and the retailers, it's a matter of Sold or Unsold. Sold is a Win, Unsold is a Loss. Steinberg is well aware that some people will only buy the product at the student price or they will not buy at all. In their world, they just sold one more of their student versions...as opposed to not selling it.

Ask yourself how the retailers get around the "requirement". You would think they need to prove it to Steinberg, right? Wrong. Steinberg isn't demanding verification...they're pre-selling a block of product to the retailer and getting paid for it, and they're done.

Do you think they will blackball Amazon for playing fast and loose? I don't.

[Phaidon]

Originally Posted by Mark Kaufman

No one's going to bother to blow the whistle, and no one at Steinberg is going to try to investigate.

Between Steinberg and the retailers, it's a matter of Sold or Unsold. Sold is a Win, Unsold is a Loss. Steinberg is well aware that some people will only buy the product at the student price or they will not buy at all. .

wtf you guys are talkin about??

Of course ppl at Seinberg care.
If they uncontrollably sell edu versions, in the long run is gonna be hell with the "regular" paying customers.

[kasprouch]

Originally Posted by LQM

Have you actually reported someone to Steinberg for using an edu version without qualifying status to know that they don't give a screw ???

there is no way steinberg 'll ever find out you're using edu, and considering the pathological weirdo one would have to be to denounce someone else, no way is pretty accurate.

Originally Posted by Phaidon

wtf you guys are talkin about??

IF Steinberg wanted to ensure none of their edu discounts were used by people who dont qualify for them they would setup a secondary activation protocol just to verify - like Ableton & NI.

considering they havent done this, fair to say they couldnt care less.

one more edu version sold is one less guy using Ableton, Logic, Samp whatever. whats so difficult to believe about that?