HDSPe AIO Bad D/A??
Old 11th October 2009
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HDSPe AIO Bad D/A??

I'm looking into upgrading my 9652 to the new RME HDSPe AIO...

A friend of mine just got it and he had huge problems with the sound that comes out of the D/A analogue break-out cable.

He did A/B tests with a Presonus Firebox... and his results were that the RME had "narrow stereo-image, hard annoying treble"...

Is the D/A that bad if you use the analogue breakout cable that it comes with.. Do I once again have to use a external converter with it as with the 9652? Can anyone post their opinions about the quality of the analogue D/A sound of the HDSPe AIO.
Old 12th October 2009
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Anyone here who has the RME HDSPe AIO soundcard and can report back on performance / D/A conversion?
Old 12th October 2009
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Why would you be upgrading from the 9652 anyways may I ask? It's not really an upgrade to go to the RME AIO.
Old 12th October 2009
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Why would you be upgrading from the 9652 anyways may I ask? It's not really an upgrade to go to the RME AIO.
RME will not provide 64 bit drivers?
Old 12th October 2009
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I bought a new Mac Pro... 9652 is PCI and this is PCI express so unfortunately I can't use my old card.

When I saw that this one was about and it also now had analogue breakout cables and D/A A/D I saw it as a nice replacement without having to have an old ADAT converter to it.

Then I heard from one person that they sounded "like shit" but 1 opinion is 1 opinion so ...
Old 12th October 2009
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I bought a new Mac Pro... 9652 is PCI and this is PCI express so unfortunately I can't use my old card.

When I saw that this one was about and it also now had analogue breakout cables and D/A A/D I saw it as a nice replacement without having to have an old ADAT converter to it.

Then I heard from one person that they sounded "like shit" but 1 opinion is 1 opinion so ...
There was supposedly problems with the AIO. Get the 9632. Same card and way more reliable and proven at this point and way cheaper.
Old 12th October 2009
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From what I have read on the internet there is problems with the AIO on the headphone output which I wouldn't be using..

9632 isn't available as PCI express.. It will only fit in G5 and older. Not Intel Mac Pro's unfortunately. And it doesn't have internal D/A A/D...
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From what I have read on the internet there is problems with the AIO on the headphone output which I wouldn't be using..

9632 isn't available as PCI express.. It will only fit in G5 and older. Not Intel Mac Pro's unfortunately. And it doesn't have internal D/A A/D...
Yes it is. The 9632 card I have is PCI express and it does have internal AD/DA, LOL. They updated the hardware and released the RME 9632 as a PCI express card. Click the link below:

RME HDSPe 9632 PCI Express Audio Interface Arrives | DV247

Where do you get your information from........
Old 12th October 2009
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For best performance, always use an external converter with it's own power supply. No way around it.
Old 12th October 2009
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Yes it is. The 9632 card I have is PCI express and it does have internal AD/DA, LOL. They updated the hardware and released the RME 9632 as a PCI express card. Click the link below:

RME HDSPe 9632 PCI Express Audio Interface Arrives | DV247

Where do you get your information from........
sorry no such animal its the AIO...

i have never heard that the AD is bad, on the other hand its not an Aurora either.
Old 12th October 2009
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[QUOTE=jcschild;4671536]sorry no such animal its the AIO...

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sorry no such animal its the AIO...

i have never heard that the AD is bad, on the other hand its not an Aurora either.
Jcschild, the one I have have the has the silver back plate. Which one has the silve and which one has the black back plate??
Old 12th October 2009
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HDSPe 9632??

is it discontinued??

there is nothing about that on RME site...

mike
Old 12th October 2009
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9632 is the PCI ver
AIO is the PCIe ver
some minor changes to it

neither is discontinued.
rme website is an amazing place to get facts!
RME: Home

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Old 12th October 2009
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9632 is not discontinued but it's only available as PCI and not PCIe

As you also can see on the link MickeyMike posted it's actually HDSPe AIO they are talking about

"The RME HDSPe 9632 (or HDSPe AIO)"

Quote from RME homepage on the 9632

"RME presents the world's most versatile PCI Audio Interface - the Hammerfall DSP 9632. //..// A PCI Express version (HDSPe AIO) is upcoming."



So, Mickey you should be having the HDSPe AIO and not a 9632... Or am I going mad

Do you have a breakout cable for analogue D/A A/D with it?
Old 12th October 2009
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RME's 9652/32 analogue expansionboards:

AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192


Is supposed to have the same performance as the breakout cable on the HDSPe AIO analogue ins and outs... But how do they sound?
Old 12th October 2009
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so
have they fixed that hissss on headphones output?

it's a well known problem of the first release of the AIO..


mike
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9632 is not discontinued but it's only available as PCI and not PCIe

As you also can see on the link MickeyMike posted it's actually HDSPe AIO they are talking about

"The RME HDSPe 9632 (or HDSPe AIO)"

Quote from RME homepage on the 9632

"RME presents the world's most versatile PCI Audio Interface - the Hammerfall DSP 9632. //..// A PCI Express version (HDSPe AIO) is upcoming."



So, Mickey you should be having the HDSPe AIO and not a 9632... Or am I going mad

Do you have a breakout cable for analogue D/A A/D with it?

I think Scott is right, I'm wrong, I guess.
Old 12th October 2009
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Yes... It's been modified but people say they still can hear it, it's just lower....

Mickey... Do you have PCIe slots on your computer or just PCI?
Old 12th October 2009
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I'd like to know if that HDSPe AIO is a good card or not. But if I'm not mistaken there is already a thread about this and from what has been written about that card, everybody was satisfied with that card, except for the headphone output. However I think they fixed it...
Old 12th October 2009
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I have an AIO and yes the hiss sucks ass. You can also hear it through the monitor outputs but only when there is no sound coming out, you can hear clicks. I have balanced cables so the clicks are very low and you can barely hear it compared to the phones. Still not really acceptable but there is no other affordable choice.
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Yes... It's been modified but people say they still can hear it, it's just lower....

Mickey... Do you have PCIe slots on your computer or just PCI?
Both.
Old 12th October 2009
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Yes, there was a thread about the AIO

BUT... it was never discussed about if the D/A is good or not on it.. only the hiss from the headphones output.

fabriciom

What is your experience on the D/A output.. Have you compared it with something else..? My friend said it was noticeably worse than the Presonus Firebox???
Old 12th October 2009
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I have an AIO and yes the hiss sucks ass. You can also hear it through the monitor outputs but only when there is no sound coming out, you can hear clicks. I have balanced cables so the clicks are very low and you can barely hear it compared to the phones. Still not really acceptable but there is no other affordable choice.
earlier release??
Old 12th October 2009
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Both. From my understanding, PCI cards works in PCI express slots anyways, no?
You are thinking about PCI-x and PCI...

PCI cards don't physically fit in a PCIe slot..
Old 12th October 2009
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from the link that I found on the RME site:

RME User Forum / HDSPe AIO and hiss

It seems that the headphone output hiss problem is not quite fixed...

On my side I have a lynx L22 card. I plan to switch on the new mac. My L22 won't fit. I am considering that HDSPe AIO card. I'm really concerned to know if that card sounds good on the new Mac. I could live without the headphone output since I can do a heaphone mix with the analog output. So how does this card is doing on the new Mac ???????

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Old 12th October 2009
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Yes, there was a thread about the AIO

BUT... it was never discussed about if the D/A is good or not on it.. only the hiss from the headphones output.

fabriciom

What is your experience on the D/A output.. Have you compared it with something else..? My friend said it was noticeably worse than the Presonus Firebox???
All I had to compare was an FW410 and a previous 9632. Its as good or better than a 9632 and way better than the FW410.
Old 12th October 2009
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fabriciom:

Have you sent back your card to your dealer and get a new one and the noise is still present?

regards
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All I had to compare was an FW410 and a previous 9632. Its as good or better than a 9632 and way better than the FW410.
Hey there..

9632 didn't have any D/A A/D (If you're not talking about the expansion boards that you could buy to them but they would be exactly the same as AIO).. How could you compare them?
Old 12th October 2009
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Hey there..

9632 didn't have any D/A A/D (If you're not talking about the expansion boards that you could buy to them but they would be exactly the same as AIO).. How could you compare them?
What do you call the play back of a WAV file? Thats D/A
9632 and AIO have XLR inputs (balanced cable jacks).

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fabriciom:

Have you sent back your card to your dealer and get a new one and the noise is still present?

regards
Yes I have a modified card.
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