Lexicon PCM Native Reverb Plugin Bundle

[OMU]

The random hall sounds dreamy.

[Michael Carnes]

Originally Posted by thermos

I think the thing that may throw people at first is that most of the settings are voiced too bright when you instantiate them. I notice myself pulling back a lot of the high end, and then quickly getting to a sound I like.

Then go to the dark variant of the same preset. That should get you in the ballpark.

[Michael Carnes]

Originally Posted by BrianHanke

I'm currently running the demo (thanks Tony!) but I’m not having much luck finding a sound I like on classical piano. The two presets that get closest to what I'm looking for are Med Vocal Concert 2 and Concert Hall, both with the Mix level down around 30-40%. There's still something vaguely metallic about the reverbs that I'm not liking though. Does anyone have suggestions about presets or tweaks that work well for classical music?

Brian, I wouldn't recommend the ConcertHall plugin for classical piano. It's basically designed for popular music. Why don't you try the LexHall plugin instead. For a different variant, you might try some of the large halls in the LexRoom plugin. And of course, the LexChamber will provide yet another feel.

[Shaman]

The funny thing is
this plugin will bring terms and parameters to people
who hardly understand anything about how to use them.

Like "Oh I got that 960 as a plugin now
but now please tell me how to use reverb in my mix..."

It will bring a whole new era to music .

[Animus]

Originally Posted by Shaman

The funny thing is
this plugin will bring terms and parameters to people
who hardly understand anything about how to use them.

Like "Oh I got that 960 as a plugin now
but now please tell me how to use reverb in my mix..."

It will bring a whole new era to mixes .

So true. lol If you can't get superb reverberation with this plugin it's not the plugin.

[polybonk]

Originally Posted by Animus

So true. lol If you can't get superb reverberation with this plugin it's not the plugin.

+1thumbsup

[b0ssa]

In my 'demo' I used the plug for the drum room and it's the only plugin I have tried to use for that which sounds good to date. I also left a gap where only the solo gtr reverb is left just to give an idea of the amount in play etc. Normally that amount would turn the mix to mud but (even though this is not a finished mix etc) it doesn't in this case.

I need to explore the edit pages of course, but it seems worth the investment to date.

One question I have for you guys is, how often do you pan the reverb signal and how and in what context would you normally do this?

Cheers

[Immersion]

thanks for all samples lately, very interesting to hear...Hope to hear more..
It will take about 1 year before I buy this most likely...hopefully sooner.

[BrianHanke]

Originally Posted by Nobody Special

Brian, I wouldn't recommend the ConcertHall plugin for classical piano. It's basically designed for popular music. Why don't you try the LexHall plugin instead. For a different variant, you might try some of the large halls in the LexRoom plugin. And of course, the LexChamber will provide yet another feel.

Many thanks for the tips. The experimentation continues!

[polybonk]

Well the source of all my problems with the reverbs seems to be some sort of conflict with the virus TI in usb mode. I can use all the reverbs on a send just fine and more than one. The moment I fire up my virus TI, only one reverb is stable. The room and concert hall algos are freaking out the cpu all the time and the other algos are fine. Also if I add say a plate to a send that will be fine, but add more sends with more algos and the 2cnd added one will freak out the cpu if i leave ableton doing nothing for a few minuets. Press play and the cpu calms down, leave it and it freaks out after a few mins again.

On a fresh startup the reverbs are stable again.

[Michael Carnes]

Originally Posted by polybonk

Well the source of all my problems with the reverbs seems to be some sort of conflict with the virus TI in usb mode. I can use all the reverbs on a send just fine and more than one. On a fresh startup the reverbs are stable again.

I have a feeling that I'm going to be reposting this message every time the page changes on G.S. Here we go:

There are two known bugs in the plugins. One has to do with excessive CPU load when using virtual instruments (skip back a couple of pages if you want the full explanation). The other has to do with ticks in ConcertHall. Both bugs have been fixed here in our lab. We wanted to push out a bug fix, but we won't have enough inhouse testing until the first of the year.

[maky357]

Originally Posted by polybonk

Well the source of all my problems with the reverbs seems to be some sort of conflict with the virus TI in usb mode. I can use all the reverbs on a send just fine and more than one. The moment I fire up my virus TI, only one reverb is stable. The room and concert hall algos are freaking out the cpu all the time and the other algos are fine. Also if I add say a plate to a send that will be fine, but add more sends with more algos and the 2cnd added one will freak out the cpu if i leave ableton doing nothing for a few minuets. Press play and the cpu calms down, leave it and it freaks out after a few mins again.

On a fresh startup the reverbs are stable again.

Probably way small ASIO buffer size(try to enlarge to 1024) + it can be poorly designed ASIO driver but first is generally cause for all weird things...

[b0ssa]

Originally Posted by polybonk

Well the source of all my problems with the reverbs seems to be some sort of conflict with the virus TI in usb mode. I can use all the reverbs on a send just fine and more than one. The moment I fire up my virus TI, only one reverb is stable. The room and concert hall algos are freaking out the cpu all the time and the other algos are fine. Also if I add say a plate to a send that will be fine, but add more sends with more algos and the 2cnd added one will freak out the cpu if i leave ableton doing nothing for a few minuets. Press play and the cpu calms down, leave it and it freaks out after a few mins again.

On a fresh startup the reverbs are stable again.

Originally Posted by b0ssa

It might be USB dongles causing this as well as I only have an iLok & Syncrosoft dongle in a couple of USB ports and had, seemingly, the same problem. Yesterday, one reverb plug-in just crumbled and the ASIO meter went haywire. This happened about 4x during the day and only a reboot sorted it.

PS> I also have a Pod XT Pro attached via USB.

Sorry, I just re-read NS explanation for these bugs. I had a couple of VSTi's running so that was probably the cause. My ASIO buffer is 1024 but my Powercore and Liquid Mix buffers are 2x that, the UAD is same as DAW and not sure about the Duende PCIe buffer size.

[thermos]

Originally Posted by Shaman

The funny thing is
this plugin will bring terms and parameters to people
who hardly understand anything about how to use them.

Like "Oh I got that 960 as a plugin now
but now please tell me how to use reverb in my mix..."

It will bring a whole new era to music .

Yep!
And to Nobody Special, I indeed always start with the dark preset on every plug. I love it!

[seancostello]

Originally Posted by Shaman

The funny thing is
this plugin will bring terms and parameters to people
who hardly understand anything about how to use them.

Like "Oh I got that 960 as a plugin now
but now please tell me how to use reverb in my mix..."

It will bring a whole new era to music .

I thought that era was called "the eighties."

[Funk Dracula]

Originally Posted by TheMarqueeYears

No problem over the cost, considering what you get and the fact you can run multiple instances .... IMHO the price is very reasonable, at just over $200 per algo type, heck it's cheaper than UA or TC!
TMY

+1

It's my second day in the studio with the bundle and I'm starting to feel like I paid for a Lexi box that "fell off the back of a truck." $1,500 list is a STEAL for what you get here.

[thermos]

Personally, I'm finding the vintage plate plug to have heaps and heaps of front to back, more than I've heard from any plugin. I agree about the halls not being uber front to back right from the go, but with some tweaking I bet they could be. And the small spaces are great, love the drum room stuff (someone buy my PCM 70 already!).

[polybonk]

Originally Posted by Nobody Special

I have a feeling that I'm going to be reposting this message every time the page changes on G.S. Here we go:

There are two known bugs in the plugins. One has to do with excessive CPU load when using virtual instruments (skip back a couple of pages if you want the full explanation). The other has to do with ticks in ConcertHall. Both bugs have been fixed here in our lab. We wanted to push out a bug fix, but we won't have enough inhouse testing until the first of the year.

Sorry NS didn't want to frustrate you but i got the impression that this behavior was a little bit different to the bugs described before. I don't get just a cpu spike when the tail goes below a certain threshold. I get CPU overload with the reverbs just sitting around doing nothing on an aux send.

[Michael Carnes]

Originally Posted by polybonk

Sorry NS didn't want to frustrate you but i got the impression that this behavior was a little bit different to the bugs described before. I don't get just a cpu spike when the tail goes below a certain threshold. I get CPU overload with the reverbs just sitting around doing nothing on an aux send.

I'm pretty sure it's the same thing. Wish we could have gotten it out this week, but everybody has skedaddled for the holiday. If I had any sense, I wouldn't be reading this

[seancostello]

Originally Posted by polybonk

Sorry NS didn't want to frustrate you but i got the impression that this behavior was a little bit different to the bugs described before. I don't get just a cpu spike when the tail goes below a certain threshold. I get CPU overload with the reverbs just sitting around doing nothing on an aux send.

This is also a side effect of denormalization. Run a signal through the send, and the CPU goes down. No signal, and the CPU shoots way up.

[polybonk]

Thanks that makes sense then. And I think its pretty normal that you would be reading this. After all it is your baby. Btw I love the GUI, works realy well for me. Perfect after having come from using Lexicon hardware.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by polybonk

Thanks that makes sense then. And I think its pretty normal that you would be reading this. After all it is your baby. Btw I love the GUI, works realy well for me. Perfect after having come from using Lexicon hardware.

Personally the gui (visual aspect of it) is my least favorite thing of the plugin. I don't like the yellow and the specular highlight makes it look cheesy. Don't matter to me though. We got Lexicon inside the box dammit!

[MatzeMillion]

Anyone using this plugin in Logic Pro? I found two strange bugs. First occurs very often if I swap an instance to a different algorithm (eg RandomHall to ConcertHall). I get a completely distorted sound after that. I can fix it with selecting an other preset within the plugin.

The second bug is affecting the mono>stereo version. It seems to feed only the left channel of the reverb.

Besides that, it sounds fantastic! Definitely a must have...
Compared it to Breverb and they are very different. Breverbs tail is more metallic and resonant but decays very nice with longer settings for obvious reverbs. Lexicon is much smoother and blends extremely nice with the music. It doesn't get muddy and is sparkling even with dark settings and it leaves the signal right in your face even with lots of reverb. Fantastic!

[Funk Dracula]

Originally Posted by MatzeMillion

Anyone using this plugin in Logic Pro? I found two strange bugs. First occurs very often if I swap an instance to a different algorithm (eg RandomHall to ConcertHall). I get a completely distorted sound after that. I can fix it with selecting an other preset within the plugin.

The second bug is affecting the mono>stereo version. It seems to feed only the left channel of the reverb.

I'm using it in PTHD in the studio and Logic Pro at my house. I just tried recreating your problems and was unable to, until I figured you might be inserting the dang thing directly on a mono channel and messing with the wet/dry. (why would you do such a thing?tutt) I recreated your problem sir. Turns out this is a wet/dry issue on the mono to stereo version of the plug-in AU. Stereo versions do not behave this way in Logic, but the mono to stereo versions do. I'll test to see if this is the case on RTAS tomorrow morning at my studio when I get there.

I did a quick search thru the manual and have no reason to believe why this should be the expected behavior of a mono to stereo instance.

The Concert Hall bug has been confirmed by NS himself, so I guess it's worth repeating cause I sure as hell lost that bit of info thru-out this long thread. So there it is again for anyone who didn't know (like myself) who didn't have time to read thru everything. Word is they fixed it already, so that update should come our way really soon after the holidays.

[MatzeMillion]

Originally Posted by Funk Dracula

(why would you do such a thing?tutt)

To reverberate a mono signal chain with a stereo reverb without using a bus. Is this so uncommon? I thought that is what the mono>stereo version is for. :-)

Thank you for confirming!

(sry for misspelling/grammar)

[elambo]

Anyone else have GUI bugs? (that sounds funny)

If I pick a preset, sometimes I'm unable to press the preset window again without the "About" information coming up instead. The only way to get the plugin to work correctly again is to close the interface and reopen it. It doesn't happen every time I pick a patch, but it happens every time I play with this plugin.

[Coyoteous]

Originally Posted by seancostello

This is also a side effect of denormalization. Run a signal through the send, and the CPU goes down. No signal, and the CPU shoots way up.

Could you just put some 24 bit dither on the input?

I see some plug-ins out there, too... mostly PC VST.

[hankdrummer]

Originally Posted by MatzeMillion

The second bug is affecting the mono>stereo version. It seems to feed only the left channel of the reverb.

same here

leopard 10.5.8 + logic 9.0.2

[Bob800]

BUGS!!! For 1500€??? Nice. dfegad

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Bob800

BUGS!!! For 1500€??? Nice. dfegad

Name any piece of software which didn't have a few bugs at Ver 1.0.

All things considered, these seem to be rather minor.

Just the same, I'd like to see the GUI bug fixed asap.