Lexicon PCM Native Reverb Plugin Bundle

[thermos]

The youtube examples are very promising.

[Alndln]

Originally Posted by Gordon

You are not correct, it's algs.

Why does the GUI say "impulse" with a .wav form in view?

[Animus]

Originally Posted by gizeh12

Also dedicated DSP units have a large impact on the sound quality.
Casey Dowdell from Bricasti mentioned once that the parallel designed chips in a hardware unit are capable of producing much faster updating of samples, creating a much denser thicker sound than a PC can (more serial processing, buffer overlay etc)


If its really as good sounding as the 960/pcm96 series, it will be a HUGE cpu hog and youll need the most expensive pc config out there.

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Maybe you missed it when it was said they had 6 of them running on a lowly g5. And the part about being "identical" algorithms from the hardware version.

[Michael Carnes]

Originally Posted by TheMarqueeYears

Nobody Special
Is there any chance that Lexicon would consider creating a 224XL plugin - as they must still posses those algo's and they would surely easily run on a modern quadcore PC.
The market for the older boxes as plugins must be massive.

Unless David Griesinger has a copy of 224 code squirreled away (something he says he doesn't), that code was lost 15 years ago when the company sold the computers that built it. Recreating that code would take a substantial amount of time. Not saying it won't happen, but it's nothing I'm planning for now.

I hope this is the start of something really exciting from Lexicon

It is, but perhaps in a different way from what you're imagining. Our plugins won't bring your computer to its knees, but that doesn't mean I don't want to .

[TEMAS]

Good idea to go Native. Bad idea to charge $1,900. Absurd idea.

Its almost as if they're so afraid of insulting or upsetting their hardware users by setting a low price which may undermine or decrease the desirability of the hardware that they set a price so high that it keeps Lexicon far out of reach of everyone except the exclusive few that can actually afford the hardware.

They're not increasing their market share at all. People who can afford it will either buy a hardware unit or the software. Most people will continue to look elsewhere.

[Michael Carnes]

Originally Posted by Alndln

Why does the GUI say "impulse" with a .wav form in view?

That's the realtime display. There are three live displays (in addition to off). We generate a multiband display that's sort of like a waterfall display. We also do a pseudo-RTA display. The last display is a realtime impulse response display. All of the displays show what the reverb is doing, not what it's based on. One of our YouTube videos explains this.

Of course you're going to mix with your ears rather than your eyes. The display is there to hypnotize the producer so that you can get some work done.

[gizeh12]

Originally Posted by Animus

Maybe you missed it when it was said they had 6 of them running on a lowly g5. And the part about being "identical" algorithms from the hardware version.

give me a break

[fossaree]

my two cents :

Actually its over priced . :-(

Soon , I'll see Lexicon steping back ;-) .

[Animus]

Originally Posted by TEMAS

Good idea to go Native. Bad idea to charge $1,900. Absurd idea.

Its almost as if they're so afraid of insulting or upsetting their hardware users by setting a low price which may undermine or decrease the desirability of the hardware that they set a price so high that it keeps Lexicon far out of reach of everyone except the exclusive few that can actually afford the hardware.

They're not increasing their market share at all. People who can afford it will either buy a hardware unit or the software.

Think of the hardware pcm96 as software that comes with its on computer. You are paying for the quality of the reverb code that is inside and the extra expense of the hardware. With the plugin bundle you don't have to pay for the hardware other than your own computer and you get to run as many instances as you can. I think the price is pretty reflective of this relatively to the real hardware. Of course I wish it was cheaper but I'd rather them offer it at this price than not at all.

[fossaree]

Originally Posted by Animus

Think of the hardware pcm96 as software that comes with its on computer. You are paying for the quality of the reverb code that is inside and the extra expense of the hardware. With the plugin bundle you don't have to pay for the hardware other than your own computer and you get to run as many instances as you can. I think the price is pretty reflective of this relatively to the real hardware. Of course I wish it was cheaper but I'd rather them offer it at this price than not at all.

even thinking so , it doesn't really make sense the amount they're charging ...

[Animus]

Originally Posted by gizeh12

give me a break

Listen to the demos and then compare to the real pcm96. The plugin sounds just as good to me. I have a lot of real Lexicon hardware and these plugs look and sound like the real deal.

[Shy]

People will spend $5500 on a single compressor, but will say ~$1500-1600 (est. street price) for Lexicon's latest reverbs is too expensive. Claimed reasons may include: 1. it's software, 2. the hardware runs software too but hey at least it's hardware, 3. it has no resale value, 4. some other nonsense.

[seancostello]

Originally Posted by gizeh12

give me a break

So, what insight do you have into how these algorithms will work, that is greater than the insight of the guy who wrote both the PCM96 algorithms and the port to the native plugins?

[seancostello]

Originally Posted by Nobody Special

Unless David Griesinger has a copy of 224 code squirreled away (something he says he doesn't), that code was lost 15 years ago when the company sold the computers that built it.

Not lost, just harder to read. It's still in every functional 224.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by fossaree

even thinking so , it doesn't really make sense the amount they're charging ...

Ever seen the price of the Algorithmix Red and Orange LinearPhase Equalizers? Awesome eqs, some of the best natively for sure, and the price reflects that.

[fossaree]

Originally Posted by Shy

People will spend $5500 on a single compressor

Not me !

[TEMAS]

Originally Posted by Animus

With the plugin bundle you don't have to pay for the hardware other than your own computer and you get to run as many instances as you can.

For mixing, yes you could run many instances. In a live scenario, or as soon as you use hardware inserts with your DAW, macs can only use two cores at a time and the other 6 cores do nothing. This may change within a year when Grand Central Dispatch is utilized, but at the moment 8-cores are useless in most scenarios.

With a lower price Lexicon could increase their market share considerably here.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by TEMAS

For mixing, yes you could run many instances. In a live scenario, or as soon as you use hardware inserts with your DAW, macs can only use two cores at a time and the other 6 cores do nothing. This may change within a year when Grand Central Dispatch is utilized, but at the moment 8-cores are useless in most scenarios.

With a lower price Lexicon could increase their market share considerably here.

Yeah macs are crippled but that's not the case with pcs. ;-) In a live situation wouldn't you jsut use the hardware versions?

btw, I am for a lower price too.

[fossaree]

Originally Posted by Animus

Ever seen the price of the Algorithmix Red and Orange LinearPhase Equalizers? Awesome eqs, some of the best natively for sure, and the price reflects that.

well ... if you take these parameters , it makes sense ...

But as a matter of fact , why do I think it's still expensive?
I'm gonna tell you i've seen their hardware reverbs decreasing its price day by day ...
For example I've seen some deals with PCMs (brand new) lower than 1k !

I may be wrong , however ... I'm probably am , though !

[Animus]

Originally Posted by fossaree

well ... if you take these parameters , it makes sense ...

But as a matter of fact , why do I think it's still expansive?
I'm gonna tell you i've seen their hardware reverbs decreasing its price day by day ...
For example I've seen some deals with PCMs (brand new) lower than 1k !

I may be wrong , however ... I'm probably am , though !

You are seeing the older pcms at that price, which are totally not in the same league or scope as the pcm96. I got my pcm90 for 700..

[Studio Dweller]

One of the reps at the booth was nice enough to give me a USB drive with the beta version on it. Looking forward to trying it out.

[Animus]

Sign me up for a beta version.

[danger]

Originally Posted by Animus

Think of the hardware pcm96 as software that comes with its on computer. You are paying for the quality of the reverb code that is inside and the extra expense of the hardware. With the plugin bundle you don't have to pay for the hardware other than your own computer and you get to run as many instances as you can. I think the price is pretty reflective of this relatively to the real hardware. Of course I wish it was cheaper but I'd rather them offer it at this price than not at all.

yea, but its not PCM96, it's "just" the reverbs, so actually what i think, they should include ALL the algos in this price. At least in a next bigger update.

[gizeh12]

Originally Posted by seancostello

So, what insight do you have into how these algorithms will work, that is greater than the insight of the guy who wrote both the PCM96 algorithms and the port to the native plugins?

How many reverb plugins have claimed to have based their algo's on flagship units, and how did they sound??

[danger]

Originally Posted by gizeh12

How many reverb plugins have claimed to have based their algo's on flagship units, and how did they sound??

UAD EMT 250, and judging by the reports, they nailed.

[gizeh12]

Originally Posted by Animus

Listen to the demos and then compare to the real pcm96. The plugin sounds just as good to me. I have a lot of real Lexicon hardware and these plugs look and sound like the real deal.

That would be a revolution in native reverb plugs. I'm not cynical but i am a bit sceptic though.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by danger

yea, but its not PCM96, it's "just" the reverbs, so actually what i think, they should include ALL the algos in this price. At least in a next bigger update.

Good point. I am not too concerned about the other effects though. I have Eventide for that. :-)

[gizeh12]

Originally Posted by danger

UAD EMT 250, and judging by the reports, they nailed.

Those are DSP-hosted plugs not Native, i was talking about native plugs.
But those are nice plugins indeed.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by gizeh12

That would be a revolution in native reverb plugs. I'm not cynical but i am a bit sceptic though.

Me too usually. Actually the steep price is making me less a cynic since it suggests to me this is the real Lexicon technology and not a pale imitation. Of course we will have to wait for the a real demo to try out to be sure.

[danger]

Originally Posted by Animus

Good point. I am not too concerned about the other effects though. I have Eventide for that. :-)

actually only Eventide what is missing from the native and/or the dsp world.. (not counting the old tdm stuff)