Login / Register
 
Harrison Mixbus - Virtual Harrison Mixer plus full-featured DAW for OS X
New Reply
Subscribe
#2341
27th December 2012
Old 27th December 2012
  #2341
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Location: A big island - i am an Island
Posts: 2,603

dogma is offline
Has anyone used mixbuss and ableton together? It's a combo of hoped may work but stability has kept me away - if it was super stable for arguments sake, the part I dislike most about live is editing and mixing, which in live is a blurred line.
How's importing and exporting stems?
How's effective the and useful is the automation?
How's it with external effects?

I'm still fully trying to grasp mixbuss but at 40 it has me thinking.......
__________________
You're entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts
#2342
27th December 2012
Old 27th December 2012
  #2342
Gear Head
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 47

kire is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by scalawag View Post
GVerb+ is included as a demo on Mac and Windows versions of Mixbus, and is free on the Linux version.
Ok thanks. Would you recommend GVerb+ or are there other cheaper alternatives around?

I'm using Logic and have no reverbs that I could use if I would give Mixbus a try...
#2343
27th December 2012
Old 27th December 2012
  #2343
Gear addict
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 450

scalawag is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by kire View Post
Ok thanks. Would you recommend GVerb+ or are there other cheaper alternatives around?

I'm using Logic and have no reverbs that I could use if I would give Mixbus a try...
As for GVerb+, i didn't test it propperlly to make a judgement, but ValhallaRoom is $50 and works on Mixbus.
My main problem with Mixbus is plugin integration. IK Multimedia plugins crash Mixbus (at least the ones i have). Same for Nebula Acqua VST plugins. Soundtoys plugins crash VST scan. Some others will not load because of the numbers of I/O channels inside plugins. I really hope they fix plugin integration for once before the paid upgrade to version 3!! All this is related to the Windows version by the way...
__________________
sonuslabstudio.com
#2344
27th December 2012
Old 27th December 2012
  #2344
Gear Head
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 72

aNiMaL ChIcKeN is online now
The Toneboosters track essentials bundle is good inexpensive way to supplement Mixbus with some useful plugs.

I don't find myself using much more processing than you get on the mock console. Valhalla Room works well with it.

If anyone's looking for an easy, straight forward and enjoyable mixing tool I can't give you any good reason to be afraid. It's running just fine on my iMac with Mountain Lion. I've used it with both imported files and Jacked from Studio One. Good times.
#2345
30th December 2012
Old 30th December 2012
  #2345
Gear maniac
 
gruenburger's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Location: Manhattan

gruenburger is offline
mediocre gui, clunky controls, and glitchy. i want to like it, but just...cant.
#2346
30th December 2012
Old 30th December 2012
  #2346
Gear Head
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Location: CGN Germany
Posts: 35

kugelfunk is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by scalawag View Post
IK Multimedia plugins crash Mixbus (at least the ones i have). ... All this is related to the Windows version by the way...
Fortunately I didn't experience that on a mac. Just used the IK LA2A in a Mixbus project yesterday.
#2347
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2347
Lives for gear
 
musikmaschine's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Location: Northern hemisphere
Posts: 1,089

musikmaschine is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by kugelfunk View Post
Fortunately I didn't experience that on a mac. Just used the IK LA2A in a Mixbus project yesterday.
Are you able to reload it? IK plugins load but i can't reopen the projects.
#2348
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2348
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 636

kelvyn is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by musikmaschine View Post
Are you able to reload it? IK plugins load but i can't reopen the projects.
I find it hard to believe that the main reason I stopped using Mixbus version one was because it did'nt open certain projects... An absolute no go. Sorry to hear you're having the same problem.
#2349
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2349
Gear addict
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 495

BenLoftis is offline
@musikmaschine, @kelvyn: Unlike most other DAWs, Mixbus uses a XML text session format. If a plugin saves its state in a way that wrecks the session file, you can trivially edit it to remove the bad plugin.

If you aren't handy with a text editor, we can do this for you. Mixbus comes with email support.

We have thousands of users now, and this kind of problem is very rare. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to answer the problems personally like we do.

Best,
Ben Loftis
Harrison Consoles
#2350
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2350
Gear Head
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Location: CGN Germany
Posts: 35

kugelfunk is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by musikmaschine View Post
Are you able to reload it? IK plugins load but i can't reopen the projects.
Yes no problem whatsoever. I also inserted the full T-Racks Shell with a couple of units in it in the mixbus master channel.

btw for those who like to try out things before reading the manual (like me): keyboard shortcut 'L' just made my day.
#2351
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2351
Lives for gear
 
musikmaschine's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Location: Northern hemisphere
Posts: 1,089

musikmaschine is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by kelvyn View Post
I find it hard to believe that the main reason I stopped using Mixbus version one was because it did'nt open certain projects... An absolute no go. Sorry to hear you're having the same problem.
I ran a repair on it and the projects loaded again. Have you tried? I've been contact via email with questions and Harrison have been really responsive and helpful, even on NYE. I think they've fixed a lot of issues since v1, hope so anyway!

It's a shame about the lack of a PC demo and problems people have been having, i'm not familiar with Ardour and this type of platform but there's no questioning the quality of the mixbus console. I'd see it as more of a part of the mixing process than a replacement for my DAW. I use maschine so this'll be like running my tracks through a desk without having to hire a studio so i think it's worth it.

But the worst thing would be to create a really nice mix and then be able toreload it. I've been able to load stuff from the recent menu if i can't load from the opening menu. Starting the audio driver first seems to help as well. The xml fix is good to know if stuff is unrecoverable.

Just tried loading Black 76 and as soon as i click on the gui mixbus crashes but it works in the T-Racks shell and i could reload the project. I think it's more stable than maybe it looks from the stuff others have posted, i got the impression it was really unstable and i've had a few issues with it but having a virtual analog desk itb is not to be sniffed at IMHO. YMMV.
#2352
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2352
Lives for gear
 
Fishmed's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 997

Fishmed is offline
I jumped on the $40 deal for my WIN 7 64bit PC. I was getting it mainly as a better virtual console for my HD24 as a better solution than the CueMix software for my MOTU devices. I am VERY pleased with my purchase as it works GREAT for this application.

As I got playing with it, I learned that I could use it as a virtual summing mixer and I it sounds much tighter than my physical summing mixer. I am not know king my physical mixer, it is just a cleaner sound. Both methods give me the benefits of a summing mixer.

For my use of the Mixbus, I am able to send stems out of my DAW, like I would with my hardware-summing mixer, and route them into Mixbus via my MOTU I/O. My setup sounds a bit rigged but it works great; I feel I get the best of both worlds. As a summing mixer, I leave the faders at unity and do not add anything on the tracks. I do like that I can add plugins on the master bus before I send it back into my DAW to record the mix down.
__________________
-Fishmed
#2353
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2353
Gear maniac
 
gruenburger's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Location: Manhattan

gruenburger is offline
can anyone attest to the mixbus' superior summing?
#2354
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2354
Lives for gear
 
Fishmed's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 997

Fishmed is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by gruenburger View Post
can anyone attest to the mixbus' superior summing?
I would not know how you would weigh superior, but it is the best digital mixer I have ever heard... closest to that analog feel too.

For the money... it is the MOST superior.
Tui
#2355
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2355
Tui
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,676

Tui is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by gruenburger View Post
can anyone attest to the mixbus' superior summing?
There are people who claim they can. To find out what the truth is, you'll have to read the entire thread (or at least the most recent posts).
#2356
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2356
Gear maniac
 
gruenburger's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Location: Manhattan

gruenburger is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tui View Post
There are people who claim they can. To find out what the truth is, you'll have to read the entire thread (or at least the most recent posts).
im going to do an A/B and post it here.
#2357
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2357
Gear Head
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 72

aNiMaL ChIcKeN is online now
Quote:
Originally Posted by gruenburger View Post
can anyone attest to the mixbus' superior summing?
Some folks mixed with it and were generally pleased with results. Others did science experiments and theorized. All in all, not recommended reading if you value your time.
Quote
2
#2358
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2358
Gear maniac
 
gruenburger's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Location: Manhattan

gruenburger is offline
Here is my A/B. Attached are the two mixes

The song was tracked in Ableton Live. I removed any group processing and exported all the stems in 24 bit/44.1khz. I imported them to Harrison Mixbus and printed a mix from both DAWs. No effects in Mixbus were used.

They are level matched and did not null when polarity was inverted.

Which sounds better to you?
Attached Files
File Type: wav Ableton.wav (6.06 MB, 254 views) File Type: wav Harrison .wav (6.06 MB, 210 views)
#2359
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2359
Gear nut
 
MoneySound's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 149

MoneySound is offline
First one. Seems tighter in low end and more definition and clarity in general.
#2360
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2360
Gear Guru
 
chrisso's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 22,472

chrisso is online now
I can't hear much difference. Certainly not enough.
Maybe it's my cloth ears.
__________________
Chris Whitten
#2361
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2361
Gear maniac
 
gruenburger's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Location: Manhattan

gruenburger is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
I can't hear much difference. Certainly not enough.
Maybe it's my cloth ears.
You're not alone.
#2362
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2362
Lives for gear
 
Fishmed's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 997

Fishmed is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by gruenburger View Post
Here is my A/B. Attached are the two mixes

The song was tracked in Ableton Live. I removed any group processing and exported all the stems in 24 bit/44.1khz. I imported them to Harrison Mixbus and printed a mix from both DAWs. No effects in Mixbus were used.

They are level matched and did not null when polarity was inverted.

Which sounds better to you?
Did you mix the stems or the individual tracks? To do a fair comparison, I would think you would need to do a complete mix in both systems. From there, see which one sounds best and which one got you the mix the quickest. I might not mix a stem the same way in both DAWs.

I do appreciate the posted files though as it shows that there is a difference in the summing of both systems.
#2363
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2363
Gear Head
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 72

aNiMaL ChIcKeN is online now
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
I can't hear much difference. Certainly not enough.
Maybe it's my cloth ears.
Well...anytime I found myself pleased with the results it was when I actually mixed in it, which tells me it has more to do with workflow and the setup of the mixer, comps, EQs and busses.

I could run tracks through it at unity all day and get a tension headache looking for the indefinable magic, but I enjoy the workflow so I focus on that. The more I learn it and use it the better the end result gets.
Quote
1
#2364
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2364
Gear maniac
 
gruenburger's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Location: Manhattan

gruenburger is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishmed View Post
Did you mix the stems or the individual tracks? To do a fair comparison, I would think you would need to do a complete mix in both systems. From there, see which one sounds best and which one got you the mix the quickest. I might not mix a stem the same way in both DAWs.

I do appreciate the posted files though as it shows that there is a difference in the summing of both systems.
Yeah, it would have been nice for me to mix it in Mixbuss with identical settings, but I don't really have the time for that. At least we know there is a minor (insignificant?) difference in summing. SCIENCE!
#2365
31st December 2012
Old 31st December 2012
  #2365
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,282

-tc- is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by gruenburger View Post
Here is my A/B. Attached are the two mixes

The song was tracked in Ableton Live. I removed any group processing and exported all the stems in 24 bit/44.1khz. I imported them to Harrison Mixbus and printed a mix from both DAWs. No effects in Mixbus were used.

They are level matched and did not null when polarity was inverted.

Which sounds better to you?
1) The two mixes are out by 1 sample (Mixbus lags, which I may report as a bug after confirming tomorrow).
2) When aligned, they cancel down to ~-75dBfs, apart from the reverb at the beginning and end of the clip (shame on you ).

What you'll hear in the diff signal of the middle of the clip, is the master bus saturation of MixBus (and bus saturation, if you used any buses), unsurprisingly, as it cannot be turned off completely (a tiny bit cheeky of Harrison tbh).

What you should expect from Mixbus are the benefits that the mixer UI brings: immediate, efficient and effective control of track/bus EQ and compression. The bus saturation is very subtle if turned all the way down, and would sound the same if provided as a plug-in for other hosts ...

There's no 'special sauce' at play here apart from the UI - but that part is worth it Now go mix something ...

(the difference is not in the 'summing')
#2366
1st January 2013
Old 1st January 2013
  #2366
Gear maniac
 
gruenburger's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Location: Manhattan

gruenburger is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by -tc- View Post
1) The two mixes are out by 1 sample (Mixbus lags, which I may report as a bug after confirming tomorrow).
2) When aligned, they cancel down to ~-75dBfs, apart from the reverb at the beginning and end of the clip (shame on you ).

What you'll hear in the diff signal of the middle of the clip, is the master bus saturation of MixBus (and bus saturation, if you used any buses), unsurprisingly, as it cannot be turned off completely (a tiny bit cheeky of Harrison tbh).

What you should expect from Mixbus are the benefits that the mixer UI brings: immediate, efficient and effective control of track/bus EQ and compression. The bus saturation is very subtle if turned all the way down, and would sound the same if provided as a plug-in for other hosts ...

There's no 'special sauce' at play here apart from the UI - but that part is worth it Now go mix something ...

(the difference is not in the 'summing')
well that clears things up. thanks for that!
#2367
1st January 2013
Old 1st January 2013
  #2367
Gear interested
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2

James Simon1073 is offline
Could someone please answer whether its possible to use a hardware controller for mixing within Mixbuss?

ie.Behringer BCR/BCF 2000 or Mackie Hui etc?

Thx!
#2368
1st January 2013
Old 1st January 2013
  #2368
Gear interested
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 22

Smurf43 is offline
I wish that the tracks would have just been named A & B or 1 & 2, but anyway...

The one marker Harrison has a thicker, more solid low mid, and the high end sounds smoother, more rounded to me.....

They both sound fine tho, and both are good mixes!
__________________
My Music
The JCS Project
Tui
#2369
1st January 2013
Old 1st January 2013
  #2369
Tui
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,676

Tui is offline
This has been discussed to death. People who argue against science shouldn't be using any type of technology, since all of it is based on science.

Mixbus completely nulls against any major DAW. However, when engaging the master bus, it always adds more and more distortion, the closer you get to 0dB.
#2370
1st January 2013
Old 1st January 2013
  #2370
Gear Head
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 72

aNiMaL ChIcKeN is online now
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tui View Post
This has been discussed to death. People who argue against science shouldn't be using any type of technology, since all of it is based on science.

Mixbus completely nulls against any major DAW. However, when engaging the master bus, it always adds more and more distortion, the closer you get to 0dB.
Science? Who would of thought.

I haven't noticed anyone arguing against this, but if they do I think it would be negligent not to revoke the licenses of these barbaric primitives.
New Reply Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook  Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter  Submit Thread to LinkedIn LinkedIn  Submit Thread to Google+ Google+ 
 
Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Similar Threads
Thread
Thread Starter / Forum
Replies
phillysoulman / Rap + Hip Hop engineering & production
41
niklassweden / High end
10
DSMrehearsal / High end
2

Forum Jump

SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.