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So, this is why SSL's long-in-the-tooth MixBuss site has the extra "s?"

I'll spend $80 on this. Who's going first?
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Impressive! the video sure is convincing.
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I couldn't help myself...I will be testing it tonight.
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I'm willing to bet that this DAW won't nulling with the others

Impressive product even if it's simply for mixdown, I'm getting it as soon as they give info on controller support.
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sick

this is what people should be doing!!! looks awesome!
if it siunds sick im sooo in
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I'm willing to bet that this DAW won't nulling with the others

Impressive product even if it's simply for mixdown, I'm getting it as soon as they give info on controller support.
Controller Support....

I need to check MIDI binding on the Mixbus DSP, I don't think I ever confirmed it.

There is basic support for the Logic control protocol (MCU/BCF) but there is a bug in it right now where panning isn't quite working. This I discovered very late in the game after we thought it was fixed once(I just found it yesterday) and will be fixed soon.

Generic MIDI if it works should allow standard MIDI messages to be bound to controls. This does not include things like incremental controls, or 14-Bit messages/NRPN etc. Just your basic CCs, and similar.

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Looks great for the money. When is the introductory offer valid until?
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Besides good marketing hype I don't think this does what it claims

Logically thinking...

You can put whatever famous console name on a new piece of software. Traditionally, nice GUIs, very eye candy, do their job as those always did

Try digging deeper into the power of modern software and everyone can realize this is just another DAW, no different than others - looks very good though, I doubt it sounds that way..

sorry for ranting
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Now, that's a damn good idea! Frankly i'm surprised that other console maker like ssl, didn't come up with this first. They could do different summing flava like 4k, SA .. It'll be a HUGE hit, fo' sho. No need to make the whole DAW package though AU, rtas, TDM plug ins would be 'nuff
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:-) great thinking - game to Harrison - whose's up next? EMI/ EMT? Helios?
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where did latest similiar "no brainers" end...
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I'm not seeing any way to demo this. $80 is a great introductory price but if it doesn't work right or it simply doesn't fit my workflow, I just threw away $80. It is D*MN impressive on paper though.
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hmmm, could be cool. Not too sure about Ardour though --- why have a DAW attached to the Mixbus product at all? Just use Jack to pipe into and out of the "desk".
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How very very interesting!!!

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Is there latency compensation on the regular "DAW" busses? I need 32 busses minimum with latency compensation or this would not work for my needs.
damn tony, you need 32 busses minimum? you must doing a lot of hybrid mixing ha? hardware as inserts?
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well - if it really sounds good = and better than another DAW - this could be awesome. I am suspicious tho. I cant see why this would be better than an average DAW kitted out with some good 3rd party plugins and saturation. Or better yet - a DAW used with Nebula plugin samples of 'real' hardware as opposed to some algorithm.... Although of course - the cost is WAY cheaper.

But is it really likely their 'proprietary summing' really is more than marketing hyperbole?

Very keen to hear more from users - but not ready to thow $80 down the drain.
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Welp. Now all the critics come out and make me feel bad for spending my hard-earning $80.00

C'mon, what I really want to hear is: " THis is fantastic, a real winner. Woo hoo...."""
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Hi guys, here are some answers to your questions:

1) Yes it is available and you can buy it now. We are an engineering-based company, not a marketing-based company. We don't know how to generate a buzz without the product to go with it

2) We do not know when we will end the "introductory price". For now, we want to make Mixbus available to as many people as possible. But after the initial rush we will probably switch to the list price.

3) Mixbus is not a plugin for Cubase or other workstations. Mixbus is a complete DAW with recording, editing, plugins and playback. Rather than make our own workstation (and add to the already-crowded market), we used the Ardour open-source DAW engine. Ardour has thousands of users and is very stable.

4) This is not "emulated" code. It is our own digital mixing technology, based on 30 years of ongoing development. Harrison is (as far as I know) the only company that still produces truly large-format, high-end consoles in any quantity - see our News section. Mixbus can't match the performance of the big consoles of course, but it is the "real thing", just scaled down.


Hope that sorts out the questions so far! Keep 'em coming!

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hmmm, could be cool. Not too sure about Ardour though --- why have a DAW attached to the Mixbus product at all? Just use Jack to pipe into and out of the "desk".
This was one of our original ideas, but then you must provide all of the DAW features such as automation, etc

You could still do it this way, though, if you wish. You could use Jack to route tracks from your normal workstation into Mixbus (using it purely as a mixer, no recording or editing)

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Can you tell us an "at least" for the intro pricing... today, next week, through AES? Also, what is the list price? Basically, I want to buy it on intro, especially if the discount is significant. For financial reasons, I'd like to put it off as long possible, being a poor recession victim and all... uh, I mean recession survivor! How about this: can you give us a warning?
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Hi guys, here are some answers to your questions:

1) Yes it is available and you can buy it now. We are an engineering-based company, not a marketing-based company. We don't know how to generate a buzz without the product to go with it

2) We do not know when we will end the "introductory price". For now, we want to make Mixbus available to as many people as possible. But after the initial rush we will probably switch to the list price.

3) Mixbus is not a plugin for Cubase or other workstations. Mixbus is a complete DAW with recording, editing, plugins and playback. Rather than make our own workstation (and add to the already-crowded market), we used the Ardour open-source DAW engine. Ardour has thousands of users and is very stable.

4) This is not "emulated" code. It is our own digital mixing technology, based on 30 years of ongoing development. Harrison is (as far as I know) the only company that still produces truly large-format, high-end consoles in any quantity - see our News section. Mixbus can't match the performance of the big consoles of course, but it is the "real thing", just scaled down.


Hope that sorts out the questions so far! Keep 'em coming!

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thanks for this info

1. The saturation and EQ and dynamic processes 'are' an emulation tho (of analogue processes) - correct? Or are they ported from your digital mixers (which prosumably were emulations of hardware...). Do your digital mixers carry the Tape saturation processes?

2. Are you saying there is special coding to your digital summing buss? I was under the assumption that a digital buss was simply an addition process...can you explain more about this? Im sure you can understand that claiming you have 'analogue' summing in a digital environment sounds a little fishy to the cynical old goats.
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I can't get this started, keeps quitting on me.
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well - if it really sounds good = and better than another DAW - this could be awesome. I am suspicious tho. I cant see why this would be better than an average DAW kitted out with some good 3rd party plugins and saturation. Or better yet - a DAW used with Nebula plugin samples of 'real' hardware as opposed to some algorithm.... Although of course - the cost is WAY cheaper.

But is it really likely their 'proprietary summing' really is more than marketing hyperbole?

Very keen to hear more from users - but not ready to thow $80 down the drain.
An "Nebulized" DAW will be a dream coming true for me. the MixBuss from Harrison is obviously a groundbreaking product, after almost a decade when the DAW market seem to be evolving in small steps, this seems like the dawning of a new age. finally the DAW makers understand the market is really advancing into more Console-dating the DAW idea.
"record" was a huge step into that direction, but now it seems that Harrison hit the bell, long before everybody else. let's hope someone will take the time and build the perfect ITB machine with Nebula on every channel and the CPU to mix with it. to me that's Audio- heaven.
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Hi guys, here are some answers to your questions:

1) Yes it is available and you can buy it now. We are an engineering-based company, not a marketing-based company. We don't know how to generate a buzz without the product to go with it

2) We do not know when we will end the "introductory price". For now, we want to make Mixbus available to as many people as possible. But after the initial rush we will probably switch to the list price.

3) Mixbus is not a plugin for Cubase or other workstations. Mixbus is a complete DAW with recording, editing, plugins and playback. Rather than make our own workstation (and add to the already-crowded market), we used the Ardour open-source DAW engine. Ardour has thousands of users and is very stable.

4) This is not "emulated" code. It is our own digital mixing technology, based on 30 years of ongoing development. Harrison is (as far as I know) the only company that still produces truly large-format, high-end consoles in any quantity - see our News section. Mixbus can't match the performance of the big consoles of course, but it is the "real thing", just scaled down.


Hope that sorts out the questions so far! Keep 'em coming!

-Ben Loftis
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Will there be a PC version? When?

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I didn't have very good luck with Ardour, though that was a few years ago. Do you still have to install X11, or whatever it's called? At that time, I seem to remember having to get Xcode and installing it from there. That and the whole Jack thing seemed kind of shaky.
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How about some audio examples, mixed and processed stuff with Mixbus. Some comparisons, maybe a detailed info on what's going on in Mixbus even if it would sound too geek-ish. Is there any revolutionary digital signal processing involved there? Fixed, floating point precision, sample rates, CPU requirements, plugins in depth explained...? I think it won't hurt at all..

This way it just looks like the ordinary software under Harrison's wings so that gives it on the weight side IMHO

What people can see here is just ordinary specs and nice GUI

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Mixbus can't match the performance of the big consoles of course, but it is the "real thing", just scaled down.
what does this mean? Where is the difference?

It is the same thing but like $50 000 cheaper?

Sorry for this kind of questions and attitude but DAW/plugins market is so full of everything aiming to get cash just over some very shallow presentation. People eventually buy the stuff and then all the trouble begins...we don't really know what's happening behind all those zero's and one's

For instance, Steinberg kept on selling their Cubase altho it wasn't really "finished", that explains all those updates and fixing math probs all the time..Everyone seems to follow the same route
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I've bee trying to decrypt what the hell this stuff is about.. it took a while... but I think I got it.

If I'm right, they're selling the open source Ardour DAW and 3 harrison plugins in a bundle.

The plugs are:

"input channel" (which like any other plugin it's capable of unlimited instances depending on CPU)

"stereo mix bus" (limited to only four instances)

"stereo master bus" (limited to one instance)



I have a few questions to ask Harrison.


Can you only send audio to the 4 buses and master from "input channel" tracks or you can also do it from any other track in Ardour?

Do the plugins work on any other AU host? (I guess they don't)

Is the delay compensation a plug? or ardour just supports delay compensation?

Can you insert any other AU plug in the "input channels" enabled tracks? if so, can you insert them in between EQ and dynamics of the "input channels" or just before/after the "input channel"?

Are they 32float or 64float?



To be honest, I don't think it is such a bargain as some folks have said. It is a good price for 3 plugs (especially if their good) but if im not mistaking in my guess, they have a lot of limitations, don't they?

It is the weirdest approach to plugin format I've ever seen, and I find very annoying the way they are marketing them, it is very confusing and it sounds like typical prosumer stuff, very disappointing coming from harrison.

I love the bus/master meters, I must say.

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Awesome! Just imagine 5 years from now...
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You missed these two>>>>>>

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latency compensated plugin for hardware inserts? I don't see it mentioned..

(Logic only just got this though...)

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damn tony, you need 32 busses minimum? you must doing a lot of hybrid mixing ha? hardware as inserts?
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