Post your Melodyne DNA experiences HERE! ... stay on topic or "silence, I edit you!"

[author]

DNA beta is coming in a few hours:

Celemony - server maintenance

I'm in a big project and haven't got the guts for testing -- but I hope a lot of you have more courage...

So let's hear what this thing can do!

[Rufuss Sewell]

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I'm expecting this thread to be filled with disappointment. But I'm personally excited to hear crazy glitches and distortions DNA will impart on full mixes.

[Rufuss Sewell]

YouTube - Melodyne DNA Beta - first look from Point Blank Online

[Stepwise Sound]

YouTube - Melodyne DNA Beta - first look from Point Blank Online

Holy hell.

That extracted vocal at the end is totally usable, especially in a hip hop context and such...

The keys with the vocals taken out is not so impressive

But the possibilities for extracting midi data from all of this is really incredible, both in a production way and also in a learning and teaching way.

Who cares if you don't have the same Rhodes sound -- load up the midi, fire up a virtual instrument and you have your own sound with their Rhodes part.

Also, correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't this whole idea about being able to extract individual parts, say, vocal and piano as is here (as opposed to just editing polyphonic audio) much more than what Celemony was promising? They never showed it in their promo videos!

Nasty nasty this is really quite good.

[Rufuss Sewell]

I predict there will be countless hoards of people complaining about the limitations, ethical ramifications etc. And a few creative folks with huge hits laughing all the way to the bank.

[YUGA]

The video is pretty impressive for me.
I wonder what are the beta limitations.

[author]

...vids:
celemony_ :: Melodyne editor :: Public Beta Films

[feck]

I have to read the manual, but I used it on a solo piano, solo acoustic guitar, and solo electric guitar. I was able to adjust a good deal of the intervals nicely, and some had more side effects than others. Overall, this looks like it will be a tool that is meant to be used either in a worst-case-scenario (fixing a bunk note or 2 in an otherwise good take) or to mangle and change audio in a creative way. Either way, it is certainly a very useful and unique tool. It is not, however, a magic wand.

[lllubi]

how does it separate drums?
any usable results with the percussive mode

[25ghosts]

Just messed about with an acoustic guitar riff. Melodyne detects it nicely but moving the notes around etc really messes with the transients. So much that I decided not to use it. There may be takes where DNA works but tracks played with a lot of articulation (Great Players) are more or less ruined by the loss of transients.

What I DID like A LOT was the ability of altering amplitude on single notes within a chord. However, beyond a 5 db change the audio starts sounding REALLY weird. Nevertheless a nice feature.

[25ghosts]

Originally Posted by lllubi

how does it separate drums?
any usable results with the percussive mode

The guy from melodyne, in the beta videos are stating that drums would render undesired results :-) But encourages users to try

[DajaVu]

ive had my eyes on this for a while now, from a producers standpoint, its going to help a lot of up and comers

[Rufuss Sewell]

I'm having tons of fun with acoustic guitars. Stretching single notes out to make strange drones and sparkly effects sounds pretty amazing. The hybrid of natural organic acoustic guitar and glitchy elecro processing from within the chords is definitely a new and beautiful sound. I'll post a song when I finish one.

[rockgod1968]

Anybody tried it for tuning an out of tune electric guitar take?

[Ciaccona]

If you buy Melodyne Plug In now, do you qualify for the betatesting?
Or did you have to be registered when the testing started?

[Funkster]

Originally Posted by rockgod1968

Anybody tried it for tuning an out of tune electric guitar take?

Bingo! This what I am most interested in. Not even crazy out of tune either, just touching up stuff that's moderately out without being too obvious.

Bump for this and also the question about buying now and being able to beta test.

[waltermusik]

Originally Posted by Ciaccona

If you buy Melodyne Plug In now, do you qualify for the betatesting?
Or did you have to be registered when the testing started?

I think new buyers will qualify for the beta but note sure. Why not ask them? I posted an according question here:

http://www.celemony.com/userforum/vi...p=17961#p17961

As I predicted, Melodyne DNA will not turn anyone into a God of any kind. But it will be a great helper for tuning and transcribing purposes.

Installation was perfectly smooth for me (XP-SP2 with Melo Studio and no iLok). The separation of notes in polyphony is reasonable but not miraculous. GUI is nice and intuitive (need to RTFM though but only takes a few minutes). Detection is significantly slower than in the older versions (not really a surprise, considering the complexity).

As expected, unmixing a multi instrument mix will not work. Vocal ensembles are difficult to handle because of the many overtones common to various voices. I have not tried a single polyphonic instrument yet but this is what people at the Celemony forums report to be the major strength of the new software (including electric guitar!).

[bexarametric]

Wow. A lot of deleted posts.

On topic. Looking forward to this and hope it works. I do have my doubts though.

[rockgod1968]

Ok, tried it with a distorted electric, the artifacts were a little much. although if you went in and analyzed it you could probably discard or alter the notes that sounded a little much, but there sure is a lot of 'blobs' on there!! Amazing though, just seems the algorithm could be improved upon. Will try some more.

[Funkster]

Thanks for sharing rockgod. I didn't think about distorted guitars being more difficult to analyze with than clean, but it seems to make sense. That's good to know. I would mostly be dealing with clean electrics and acoustics so I'm hanging out for more reports.

[author]

Originally Posted by waltermusik

Detection is significantly slower than in the older versions (not really a surprise, considering the complexity).

Is that the case for monophonic material, too?

Originally Posted by waltermusik

Vocal ensembles are difficult to handle because of the many overtones common to various voices.

What happens if you run monophonic vocals through the thing? Does it behave as expected, or does it try to separate harmonics?

[undertone]

I haven't spend a lot of time on it, but my initial reaction concurs with others here: it's not perfect but it's a really handy and creative tool and does pull some miracles on select material.

One thing worth mentioning is that you can go back and re-asses the automatic analysis. When you have more blobs than you have notes, you can re-connect the extra ones to the notes they belong to. I think this is covered in the third video on their site and can help the result when there's polyphony, although this can be laborious with a lot of notes. Another really cool thing is its use as a transcription tool, since you can render the analysis to a MIDI file, although you'll probably have to clean up the analysis in Melodyne before the export and/or the MIDI file afterwards in your DAW.

Overall I think this free update for plugin users was an amazing deal. Great work, Celemony! thumbsup

[Greg Heimbecker]

Originally Posted by Rufuss Sewell

I'm having tons of fun with acoustic guitars. Stretching single notes out to make strange drones and sparkly effects sounds pretty amazing. The hybrid of natural organic acoustic guitar and glitchy elecro processing from within the chords is definitely a new and beautiful sound. I'll post a song when I finish one.

I'm watching my 6 yr old shred an acoustic gtr track and laughing my ass off at the stuff he is coming up with. I totally agree that this is an incredible tool for bizarre manipulations to create new and unexpected sonic landscapes. I'm enjoying being taught by a kid touching his first piece of audio software...

[waltermusik]

Originally Posted by author

Is that the case for monophonic material, too?

What happens if you run monophonic vocals through the thing? Does it behave as expected, or does it try to separate harmonics?

To be honest, I was so curious about the new stuff that I have not even tried yet to work on monophonic material yet.

[waltermusik]

Originally Posted by Ciaccona

If you buy Melodyne Plug In now, do you qualify for the betatesting?

Yes but you will have to install and register your paid-for software first (the beta will use an existing registration on your computer). So the steps are:
1. buy Melodyne Plug In
2. Install and register it and create your "MyCelemony" account at celemony.com. The link to the beta will appear in your MyCelemony page.
3. Download and install the beta. No extra registration necessary.

[Funk Dracula]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

Just messed about with an acoustic guitar riff. Melodyne detects it nicely but moving the notes around etc really messes with the transients. So much that I decided not to use it. There may be takes where DNA works but tracks played with a lot of articulation (Great Players) are more or less ruined by the loss of transients.

What I DID like A LOT was the ability of altering amplitude on single notes within a chord. However, beyond a 5 db change the audio starts sounding REALLY weird. Nevertheless a nice feature.

+1

The transients on the acoustic get completely mashed. So not usable. It makes it sound like an old REX1 mono loop.

Tho; If you pay attention to video #3, note how he describes every little detail in your fixing the way it examines material changes the quality of the sound. So fixing split notes that shouldn't be split, changes the way they sound.

It's not perfect, but still pretty awe inspiring. I'm with Rufuss on the creative possibilities, changing polyphonic sound sources to make new sounds. But it looks like allot more time needs to be spent to really see how well this could work for natural results.

I also like the new context menus, and the overall new look.

[SKyflash34]

How is the CPU/RAM usage with this?

[piano]

It's very good.

Mind you - it is not a dream to use (well it IS close!) - but hey this is TRUELY amazing stuff.

If you have any formal or informal training in harmonics you know this is extremely impressive software.

As a trained pianist, I played some Brahms type music (my own) with some tweaks needed. I was able to do many of the tweaks in complicated big chords - insert missed fast note (DAMN!) and slightly move the timing. It was not a walk in the park but the results are often amazing.

Unless you are a masochist (and many of you devils out there are), you won't be turning 6 year old Jack the beginning pianist into an Evgeny Kissin. Feeling the music is far more powerful and accurate than moving the timing on a grid.

Inherent Problem as mentioned by the designer - the note generator is often reading the harmonics of the notes. Yes that is what the harmonic's filter is for. However, the harmonics filter would be far more useful with a polyphonic musical score above. Then it would be easy to see that that blob is not in the score.

The timing tool does not respond well at times.

Two fixable items in the 'BEA TA' version.

Impressive 'BEA TA' software. Very stable - no crashes.

Really magical stuff to a guy who started with tape.

[piano]

And BIG KUDOS to Celemony for offering this as a Beta version to the users before they charged for it.

I've never known of a company to do this before for it's PUBLIC users. AWESOME!

GREAT company, great software for a GREAT price.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by waltermusik

Yes but you will have to install and register your paid-for software first (the beta will use an existing registration on your computer). So the steps are:
1. buy Melodyne Plug In
2. Install and register it and create your "MyCelemony" account at celemony.com. The link to the beta will appear in your MyCelemony page.
3. Download and install the beta. No extra registration necessary.

Just for clarification... There is no beta for the plugin version at the present time.

The only version that there is a beta for is the standalone version.

I'm told the plugin will follow "soon".