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sweetwater creation station

hey guys i'm looking on getting a pc built to accomodate pro tools8, reason 4, recycle, and fruity loops. My interface will be a digi 002.

I need to get one built and def do not plan on building it myself.

Does anyone have this system and run with a digi 002 i want to make sure it runs well and see what other people think. building omy own is out of the question

thank you very much... please some feedback my fellow gearslutee's lol

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Hi there,

If you are not building anything, then creation station seems like a very expensive way to do it all, i would take the spec sheet from creation station if you are really keen and take it to your nearest computer specialist, it will definately work out cheaper, plus you can read about all the tweaks you like on other threads.
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Find someone to do it. Cheaper and better probably.
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you can prob get the same thing for around half the price
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adk has some very nice pre-built solutions.
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agreed, if you're going to go the pre built route, go ADK
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i was actually checking out adk and didnt like the set up for some reason with the comps, then came across sonicalabs.com which i found out was part of adk. I really like the set up and the deals they are offering there and do agree with suda by taking the spec list and having a computer specialist do it would prob be the cheapest way.

i have about 3500 to put down on a comp and would obv love to spend much less lol i swear i been going back and forth between a pc and mac, between a desktop and a labtop, and who shouldnt and who should build it!!!! that i literally been having nightmares bc i'm afraid to make a wrong decision. I 'm not going to beable to buy another one for atleast a year or 2 and it is crucial that i don't mess it up lol i'm turning loopy!!!
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Build it or have someone in your town do it for you..I would NEVER pay that much money for those spec's...I build my own and it cost me $600.00 to build a PC that whoops the ass of of any of the new over priced mac's and PC's!!
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i'm going to look into someone building it for me around here that offers a warrenty with their product. I wish i had an interest into building it but i just don't.
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I am using this exact set up, Digi002 w/Creation Station Rack, albeit my Creation Station is about 3 years old now.

Although I agree you can certainly do this up yourself a bit cheaper, there is one thing they offer that was extremely important to me. Since this was going to be used in my studio which is only *Mostly* a home studio for myself, I knew I would be taking on some clients. Therefore, I wanted some decent tech support, where if something died I could get andwers and resolution fast.

Last year I was in the midst of a recording and wanted to max out the RAM before I started mixing. So I bought a couple of cards from them. When I installed them on a night off, with absolutely the most extreme care, a surface mount from one of the old cards just fell right off!!! I called them and they OVERNIGHTED a new card to me, no questions asked! Which instilled the lesson that you never do any kind of upgrade to your setup while in the middle of a project! Although, if I had to again I would be comfortable I would be able to get support from SW.

I have had not other problems with it - Super quiet! Still running XP SP3 with PT 8 thru the 002r with a Command8 and a hot swappable Glyph HD chassis. Only thing I wish was that I had waited a couple months for them to have PCIe as I only have PCI - which means no UAD 2 for me. But I guess that means I don't have to deal with all the latency issues!!! (Just me trying to justify it!)

All in all, yes you can do it yourself, but make sure when doing the math you add your time into the cost of building it. Also, think about the level of support you may need and if it is something you will be able to deal with on your own (or even want to!) if you have clients sitting in the studio on the clock.

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track what tower are you currently using??
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thank you boston for the help are you using the dig as your main soundcard bc for some reason on my older pc i wasnt able to use it as my main soundcard so when i ran media player and itunes it was choppy the soundcard back to its stock : ( sounded great in pro tools but it just wouldnt run through i tunes or any other medi player
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Build it or have someone in your town do it for you..I would NEVER pay that much money for those spec's...I build my own and it cost me $600.00 to build a PC that whoops the ass of of any of the new over priced mac's and PC's!!
would love to see you build a Core i7 speced the same for $600 or even $1200.

i would love to see you $600 computer benchmarks beat a core i7...

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Audeum Custom Digital Audio Workstations

Excellent, dependable, superb customer support but haven't had a single problem.
thats funny!
performance series thier best one... core 2 quad woot! $2099

better specs for less pretty much any other DAW builder even sweetwater
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Ive got the q6700 c2duo Asus p5e mobo

8 gigs of ram, terabyte storage xfx 8800 GFX

I built it ... cost me a fraction of what these "builders" charge.

of course, my brother in law is a design engineer at Intel and I got the q6700 free(he gets engineering samples of all the latest processors) but still.. even with paying full price for the c2d... much cheaper
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would love to see you build a Core i7 speced the same for $600 or even $1200.

i would love to see you $600 computer benchmarks beat a core i7...

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+1 ...... You cant touch a decent i7 mobo for under $200 (being generous here), and the CPU will run you another $250. Where do you get your RAM, Case, DVD, HD, and power supply for $150?
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I can't speak on the quality of Audeum's custom PCs, but as a Mac user, I'd be wary of any company claiming "Audio Optimize" a Mac - I wonder if anyone falls for that? I'm not a PC user but the ADK guy seems rather straightforward and knows his stuff.
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Guys, I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Sweetwater machine specifically or at least store-bought computers. And he is right. I built a Core 2 Quad computer for about $700 last November. Runs like a champ. It's not an i7 but I don't need that right now.
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i was actually checking out adk and didnt like the set up for some reason with the comps, then came across sonicalabs.com which i found out was part of adk. I really like the set up and the deals they are offering there and do agree with suda by taking the spec list and having a computer specialist do it would prob be the cheapest way.

i have about 3500 to put down on a comp and would obv love to spend much less lol i swear i been going back and forth between a pc and mac, between a desktop and a labtop, and who shouldnt and who should build it!!!! that i literally been having nightmares bc i'm afraid to make a wrong decision. I 'm not going to beable to buy another one for atleast a year or 2 and it is crucial that i don't mess it up lol i'm turning loopy!!!
I went with Sonica last time I bought a PC and it is a really good computer and the price was very decent.
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well scott you seem to know whats up... what do you suggest???
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depends on your needs.

core 2 quad is out at this point as the Core i5s are now out and price point will basically be even with the core 2 quads.

so if you are not a samples heavy guy the Core i5 should be fine.
for the best you can buy, a core i7. (there are dual Core i7 Xeons but 95% have no need for that kind of power)

if you use samples from moderately to heavy Core i7 is by far better due to the memory bandwidth.

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yeah i'm more interested in the dual Core i7 Xeons bc they are running basically the same power as the mac pro's
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With the budget you stated I'm not understanding why you don't just get a MacPro.

The basic machine, brand new, can be had from Amazon (an authorized Apple reseller) for $2300 including shipping.

Apple support is excellent, they continue to be at the top in independent reports. Check out Consumer Reports.

The basic MacPro model is a quad core using the Nehlem processor.

A company like OWC or TransInternational can sell you a memory upgrade and it's easy to plug in.

It's really hard to beat the MacPro for easy hard drive expansion. I can swap out a hard drive in under 60 seconds and that's not some fancy kit mechanism, just plain SATA HD's, they plug right in.

I'm on an original MacPro which has two dual core processors (total of 4 processor cores). I run a lot of tracks and multiple Space Designer reverbs, I've never maxed it out.

Apple has a 91% market share in computers that cost over $1000, it's only in the low end where Windows rules. I'm sure GS is an exception, probably the whole 9% of systems over $1000 are owned by Gearslutz.

One last thing, a 2.66 MacPro like mine, which is a couple of years old, is still selling on ebay for around $2000. Macs always have resale value, try that with a no-name PC. When you consider the total cost of ownership, which includes the resale at the conclusion of ownership, Macs don't really cost more.

It really comes down to what software you want to run most often and how adept you are at maintaining the machine. I hate maintaining PC's, I love creating music.

Good luck with your choice.
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do you really need that kind of power?
single core i7 is more than enough for most studio needs.
the Dual Xeons are generally for film score guys.
you would be hard pressed to max out a single core i7

but hey its your money

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With the budget you stated I'm not understanding why you don't just get a MacPro.

The basic machine, brand new, can be had from Amazon (an authorized Apple reseller) for $2300 including shipping.

Apple support is excellent, they continue to be at the top in independent reports. Check out Consumer Reports.

The basic MacPro model is a quad core using the Nehlem processor.

A company like OWC or TransInternational can sell you a memory upgrade and it's easy to plug in.

It's really hard to beat the MacPro for easy hard drive expansion. I can swap out a hard drive in under 60 seconds and that's not some fancy kit mechanism, just plain SATA HD's, they plug right in.

I'm on an original MacPro which has two dual core processors (total of 4 processor cores). I run a lot of tracks and multiple Space Designer reverbs, I've never maxed it out.

Apple has a 91% market share in computers that cost over $1000, it's only in the low end where Windows rules. I'm sure GS is an exception, probably the whole 9% of systems over $1000 are owned by Gearslutz.

One last thing, a 2.66 MacPro like mine, which is a couple of years old, is still selling on ebay for around $2000. Macs always have resale value, try that with a no-name PC. When you consider the total cost of ownership, which includes the resale at the conclusion of ownership, Macs don't really cost more.

It really comes down to what software you want to run most often and how adept you are at maintaining the machine. I hate maintaining PC's, I love creating music.

Good luck with your choice.
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I was challenged to find a computer that I thought was as good for audio work as my Mac Pro for the same price. There is a misunderstanding about pro quality machines that you can just buy one for $1000 and why pay more- I said buy one, not build one, which won't be discussed by me here because I haven't built any yet.

To make a long story short, I found that only ADK offered the raw power (of having more than one processor, which is going to be better than two processors) with the expandability of the Mac Pro. The Creation Stations max out at one processor for the same price as a dual processor Mac Pro (mine is the dual 2.8 GHz quad core model, the newer ones have a single processor lower cost model I'm not that familiar with but am skeptical of).

But again, the work you're going to be doing will decide what you need. Are you going to be recording 8-12 tracks of audio, and then mixing it? In that case, a single processor duo or quad core would be all you really needed, although more would be better for mixing. I got 8 tracks of 24 bit/96kHz coming into a Macbook Pro, Core 2 duo 2.16 GHz, so you should get more with any machine out now.

But if you want to use heavy sample libraries, then a more powerful computer would be necessary. Or if you want to be covered no matter what comes up.

I'd suggest right now, that I would accept no less than two quad core processor, the ability to have at least 16 GBs of RAM, and four hard drives internally available. I just looked at the ADK jobs, which last time I checked were great computers (they still are) at great prices (they seem to have gone up). But if I was buying a Windows based computer, it would be one of those.

I think Mac is not on the discussion table but I would still compare their offerings in the Pro range with those of any prebuilt Windows machines out there.
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i'm not sure how many tracks i will need but i want to make sure i have enough power to record all my vocals lets say about 9 seperate tracks if i have 3 artist doing one main one adlib and one back up vocal plus all the tracks for production and you never know how many that could be. I just want to make sure i have enough raw power for plug ins, production, and vocal recording.
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Just get something compatible: Digi 002 Rack Compatibility


Dell desktop's are cheap, and you could prb. the perfect setup used or even NIB on ebay, etc.
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thanks fender i'm going to research that asap tomake my life alittle easier lol
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