Spectrasonic Trillian?

[MERC476]

Does anyone know what's going on with the release of Trillian? Anyone from Spectrasonic on GC have an idea more or less when it will be released? Thanks

[the tortoise]

The website says October 26th. I checked it yesterday. Really looking forward to it - I still use Trilogy for all my bass sounds.

[MERC476]

?!?!?!? Man, I looked everywhere on the site...at least i thought i did. You have link? Thanks....Yup.....all my base comes from Trilogy unless I have a bass player come replace it to give it that live feel.

[elambo]

No need to wait:

MUCH better than Trilogy...

You can send the Thank You cards to my mother who still collects them.

[drBill]

elambo - after seeing that a few days ago, I do have to admit that my jonesing for trilogy diminished a bit. It will be interesting to see what Eric has up his sleeve though. I've never been disapointed by a Spectrasonics product yet.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by drBill

It will be interesting to see what Eric has up his sleeve though. I've never been disapointed by a Spectrasonics product yet.

I'll buy Trillian too, I imagine. I still have nothing better for upright bass than Trilogy, and I assume Trillians uprights will be even better. For electric though... it will be quite a task for them to produce a product that I'd prefer over Scarbee Blue (or NI Pre - same thing). The tone itself is only half of it - it's the scripting that makes Scarbee so realistic. If someone can't make it sound realistic then they're not trying hard enough.

[Jack Weaver]

I'm with you on the Scarbee NI bass. I bought it after seeing the demo and it's just the thing to hold me over until Trillian shows up.

It really seems to cover a lot of situations.

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[smoke]

Wow that Scarbee looks nice. Some of those things are hard to do in Trilogy.
edit; Sold.

[The MPCist]

How's the NI Pre-Bass on stuff like ballads? Say, some of Babyface's old ballad type songs....

[smoke]

also don't forget that for Intel users using wrapper, Trilian will be free, so the Scarbee becomes an inexpensive but useful option.

I use Trilogy a lot but it has a 'sound' no matter what patch you use. Will be nice to use this new flavor.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by smoke

also don't forget that for Intel users using wrapper, Trilian will be free, so the Scarbee becomes an inexpensive but useful option.

I use Trilogy a lot but it has a 'sound' no matter what patch you use. Will be nice to use this new flavor.

Trillian is free, but not for PPC users or those Intel owners who haven't yet bought Trilogy.

Trilogy never sat well in the mix (boomy and lacking the essential richness of the lower-mid and mid-range harmonics). I imagine they've heard this enough from customers to make adjustments for it in Trillian.

[smoke]

Originally Posted by elambo

Trillian is free, but not for PPC users or those Intel owners who haven't yet bought Trilogy.

Trilogy never sat well in the mix (boomy and lacking the essential richness of the lower-mid and mid-range harmonics). I imagine they've heard this enough from customers to make adjustments for it in Trillian.

I agree on the boominess of Trilogy. It really needs to go thru an amp and cabinet to cut through. When you don't want to use an amp, Trilogy needs to be high passed and you have to artificially boost a band, and it just strays away from sounding like a true bass. Any harmonics have to be faked in, but you can't get the resonance of a true bass with a plug-in. It has to be in there.

Oddly enough this has been my only option for years now. Listening more to Scarbee, they almost sound TOO clean, they might cut thru better, but you will need some dirt added back in.

[jjdpro]

Really?? Trillain/Trilogy is a TOTAL Bass Module. It has Acoustic, Synth & Electric basses. And, they are covered well.

Pre bass, is only Electric Bass lib..

Originally Posted by elambo

No need to wait:

MUCH better than Trilogy...

You can send the Thank You cards to my mother who still collects them.

[smoke]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

Really?? Trillain/Trilogy is a TOTAL Bass Module. It has Acoustic, Synth & Electric basses. And, they are covered well.

Pre bass, is only Electric Bass lib..

Yeah I think this inexpensive option is really a shot at waiting Trilogy users, to introduce us to Scarbee, and have us meander over to the acoustic libraries they already have.

They certainly have an audience as many have been waiting for years to replace Trilogy only to be delayed longer.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by smoke

Listening more to Scarbee, they almost sound TOO clean, they might cut thru better, but you will need some dirt added back in.

It has presets which alter the sound in such a way. Or you could add a little saturation, or an amp, etc. Lots of options.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

Really?? Trillain/Trilogy is a TOTAL Bass Module. It has Acoustic, Synth & Electric basses. And, they are covered well.

Pre bass, is only Electric Bass lib..

No, electric basses are not covered well at all. They are covered, but not "well," which is what everyone has been saying.

I use a Moog, or Moog plugin, or Omnisphere for bass.

Acoustic Bass is the only thing bringing me back to Trilogy. Mr. Scarbee needs to record one. Today. Now.

[BlackBackDrop]

Trillian will look and feel the same as Omni I guess, just like before?

That NI bass video nearly put me to sleep!

[MERC476]

Originally Posted by elambo

Trillian is free, but not for PPC users or those Intel owners who haven't yet bought Trilogy.

Trilogy never sat well in the mix (boomy and lacking the essential richness of the lower-mid and mid-range harmonics). I imagine they've heard this enough from customers to make adjustments for it in Trillian.

Scarbee looks nice. Never knew it was out. I think i'll just get both. I'll get Trillian free since I bought Trilogy this year.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Blackback Drop

That NI bass video nearly put me to sleep!

Yeah, good thing they're not in the video production business.

[drBill]

Originally Posted by smoke

aI use Trilogy a lot but it has a 'sound' no matter what patch you use.

Originally Posted by smoke

I agree on the boominess of Trilogy. It really needs to go thru an amp and cabinet to cut through.

Originally Posted by elambo

Trilogy never sat well in the mix (boomy and lacking the essential richness of the lower-mid and mid-range harmonics). I imagine they've heard this enough from customers to make adjustments for it in Trillian.

Whew!!! Glad I'm not the only one complaining! I hope they are listening. Getting Trilogy to sit in the mix is very, very difficult. So much ultra low end that it's continually frustrating.

[zvenx]

yes I too have had this problem with Trilogy and have never used it's electric bass in any project. I actually use their older library, Bass Legends, much more for this purpose... however I love the acoustic and synth basses in it.
hoping that trilian cures this for me too.

rsp

[barbital]

Ultra low end, if taken out, cannot be put back in. Ultra low end is critical in bass, especially acoustic and synth, but also important for electric bass too.

If you want to cut out ultra low end, just EQ it out.

Ben

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by smoke

I agree on the boominess of Trilogy. It really needs to go thru an amp and cabinet to cut through. When you don't want to use an amp, Trilogy needs to be high passed

Originally Posted by smoke

Listening more to Scarbee, they almost sound TOO clean, they might cut thru better, but you will need some dirt added back in.

Yes users should understand that "pro" samples should need processing to "sound" right. That's what makes them flexible enough for all situations.

Trilogy, Scarbee, VSL,... the list is long !

[drBill]

Originally Posted by barbital

Ultra low end, if taken out, cannot be put back in. Ultra low end is critical in bass, especially acoustic and synth, but also important for electric bass too.

If you want to cut out ultra low end, just EQ it out.

Ben

Originally Posted by jamwerks

Yes users should understand that "pro" samples should need processing to "sound" right. That's what makes them flexible enough for all situations.

I know how to EQ guys. Been tracking/mixing to analog and now digital for 20+ years with every kind of bass known to man. And every kind of synth bass known to man. With almost every console made. And I will tell you, that the Trilogy basses are VERY difficult to get to sit in the mix properly. And it's NOT because they allow all the natural low end of the instrument into the sample. That's all I've got to say about it. Thanks for the EQ and production lesson though......

[smoke]

For me it's not really the lows, it's the lack of mids that has me using a higher pass or lower shelf than I'd like. You do not want those lows pushing into the next process. And the lows do have a distinct 'roundness' that can be heavy for some styles.

[sbackdoor]

Originally Posted by drBill

... the Trilogy basses are VERY difficult to get to sit in the mix properly. And it's NOT because they allow all the natural low end of the instrument into the sample.

Agreed!!

[drBill]

Originally Posted by jamwerks

I don't recollect having quoted you? I'd have no lesson to give, other than maybe an added dose of humility.

JW - that quote was mostly for the previous quote in my post from barbitol. Sorry, I should have replied under it instead of under BOTH quotes. Appologies for the misleading madness....

The reason I quoted you was because I disagree that I need to "understand" that they are "imperfect". An explanation : when I plug a P-Bass played by a good player into the DI input of a 550 or a 1073 clone, I rarely have to do ANYTHING to it. It just fits! I believe a "pro" sample should be just the same. It should just "work".

Maybe I'm actually agreeing with you. I think they should be "flat-ish" and not hyped. If you need hyped, then do it yourself to fit the track. BUT, Trilogy isso freaking hyped throught the library to an annoying amount that it becomes tedius and difficult. (at least for me)

Now, I've used trilogy extensively for years, and find it invaluable, but it just takes a tremendous amount of work to make it gel. It shouldn't be that way, and it was caused by the processing that Spectrasonics put on every patch in Trilogy. It's un-natural and it's "bigger than life" sound makes life difficult - for me at least. And in my opinion, no pro samples should have to take a beating to make them work in a track. Then again, maybe I'm just lazy.....

Cheers,

[elambo]

Eq gets you only so far with Trilogy. It's not a mix issue, it's a source issue. Trust me on this. I've been trying to make the best or Trilogy for years (at least before Scarbee entered my life).

[Silver Sonya]

I recommend Rob Papen's fantastic-sounding but awkwawrdly named "Subboom bass" software for its startlingly physical subsonic lows.

I don't find myself using this kind of thing very often. In my own music, it's usually there at quite a low level to subtly anchor or underscore what is already on the track. My band has the world's most beautiful and inventive bassist on the planet. All I need is Basla, her precision bass, a good bassline, an Avalon DI (this thing is bananas!), and one channel of Thermionic Culture Phoenix and I'm set.

I'm looking forward to Trillian 'cause I think highly of Spectrasonics. I think they generally conduct themselves with high standards and I feel I have been treated well as a customer. Corporations that treat their customers well get loyalty from me. Infamously, Spectrasonics' transition from OS9 to OSX and from PPC to Intel Mac was awkward. But they compensated people for it and were pretty open and honest about it. That gets respect from me.

- c

[tobymusic]

Originally Posted by elambo

Eq gets you only so far with Trilogy. It's not a mix issue, it's a source issue. Trust me on this. I've been trying to make the best or Trilogy for years (at least before Scarbee entered my life).

I totally agree on this!