Native Instruments Komplete 6

[littlejim84]

Native Instruments KOMPLETE 6 | DV247

Looks like Kontakt 4, Absynth 5... No electronic/acoustic pianos anymore and it seems that Absynth 5 can only be brought with Komplete 6 (though I hope this isn't true! Absynth 5 From Native Instruments | DV247)

Hmmm.... not sure I like where Native Instruments is going?

[jamwerks]

So no update to the Electrik or Acoustik pianos we'll probably have to get kore packs for those with maybe some stuff from Scarbee.

No Prophete anymore either

[thehuman]

I like how it's "Guitar Rig Pro" now. Hopefully they made it sound better... So much missed potential there in all of the previous versions.

[sonicdefault]

Why is it I cant find this on the NI site? Am I overlooking something?


-SD

[thehuman]

Originally Posted by sonicdefault

Why is it I cant find this on the NI site? Am I overlooking something?


-SD

It hasn't been "announced" yet, even though retailers are spilling the details early.

[sparker]

Here's the statement from NI on the discontinued products:

"Native Instruments has discontinued Akoustik Piano, B4 II, Bandstand, Elektrik Piano and Pro-53 as individual products on September 1st.

This allows Native Instruments to further concentrate its resources on those products and technologies that are of primary relevance for today's music production environments, and offer a focused product portfolio with minimal overlap. Technical support for users of discontinued products continues to be available.

Existing owners of Akoustik Piano, Bandstand and Elektrik Piano can use the content of these instruments with the free Kontakt Player as a powerful replacement. The Kontakt Player offers full-featured playback capabilities for these Kontakt-based instruments, as well as future-proof compatibility with the latest versions of relevant operating systems and plugin hosts.

Users can find alternatives to the discontinued instruments in the current product portfolio. Native Instruments will be offering the content of Akoustik Piano as individual instruments for download purchase in the near future. The instruments contained within Elektrik Piano are part of the Kontakt 4 factory library. As an alternative to the B4 II, the '57 Drawbar Organ instrument continues to be available."

Hope that info is useful - and you didn't note the price of €499/£399/$549?

[sonicdefault]

Originally Posted by thehuman

It hasn't been "announced" yet, even though retailers are spilling the details early.

I was hoping for a new Reaktor version. It looks like it's still ver 5. Has anyone heard different news about it?

I took an NI survey about a year ago which asked specific questions about what direction I'd like to see Reaktor go, and I thought maybe it was a sign they were doing something big. I had hoped to see it more user friendly with a Kore like interface.


-SD

[mattiasnyc]

They're nothing if not smart those guys.

It seems to me that the building blocks of their synths are all common. So in the early offerings of theirs the components of one synth was found Reaktor for example, as was components of another. It just seemed like the same stuff in a different package. It's really smart to do things that way. You can reuse your newly developed distortion effects for Guitar Rig in other products. And then you can take your new cabinet modeling for B4 and put that in Guitar Rig.

Of course it begs the question of what the best "host" is for all this components. Reaktor certainly was good but complicated. So now they're pooling the technologies together into Kore and Kontakt Player.

This way, they first made money and a name with the individual players, and then more money when pooling the sounds together into Kore/Kontakt.

Smart.

[littlejim84]

I'm just hoping for Kontakt 4 and Absynth 5. But it seems that Absynth 5 can only be brought with the whole Komplete package --- which to me seems totally stupid. You reckon this'll be just for a little while? Or a mistake on DV247's end?

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by sparker

As an alternative to the B4 II, the '57 Drawbar Organ instrument continues to be available."

So having Komplete 4 and updateing to K6, I'll loose the B4 stuff and would have to "rebuy" the same sambles that I already own?

[thehuman]

Originally Posted by mattiasnyc

It just seemed like the same stuff in a different package. It's really smart to do things that way. You can reuse your newly developed distortion effects for Guitar Rig in other products. And then you can take your new cabinet modeling for B4 and put that in Guitar Rig.


Smart.

I am just wondering why they haven't released a VST/AU/RTAS effects plugin suite, of all (or some) of the best effects from Guitar Rig and Kore. There are some really nice effects in there. I really like the Grain Delay in Kore.

[sparker]

Originally Posted by jamwerks

So having Komplete 4 and updateing to K6, I'll loose the B4 stuff and would have to "rebuy" the same sambles that I already own?

I'd have to check to be 100%, but you wouldn't lose older installed products by installing the new version so if you own Komplete 4, you'd still have access to those same products. And one cool part on the update is that it's for all previous versions of Komplete.

In reference to Absynth 5 - you'll still be able to purchase Absynth 5 as a seperate product but as Native Instruments expect more purchases to be of Komplete 6 due to the new pricing, rather than the seperate elements of Komplete, it will only be available direct from their webshop.

Steve

[Sascha Franck]

Originally Posted by jamwerks

So having Komplete 4 and updateing to K6, I'll loose the B4 stuff and would have to "rebuy" the same sambles that I already own?

Of course not. The B4II won't all of a sudden stop working.
A bit sad to see further development being cancelled, though. I use it on a lot of tracks and in fact prefer it over Logics EVB3 (which is a CPU hog of special sorts).

- Sascha

[littlejim84]

Originally Posted by sparker

I'd have to check to be 100%, but you wouldn't lose older installed products by installing the new version so if you own Komplete 4, you'd still have access to those same products. And one cool part on the update is that it's for all previous versions of Komplete.

In reference to Absynth 5 - you'll still be able to purchase Absynth 5 as a seperate product but as Native Instruments expect more purchases to be of Komplete 6 due to the new pricing, rather than the seperate elements of Komplete, it will only be available direct from their webshop.

Steve

Absynth 5... are you sure? For definite?

You seem very certain of this? ...sorry, I only wonder, as it'll be super shit to not be able to buy it separately.

[blaugruen7]

absynth 5

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[joeydego]

glad I got in on komplete 5 for 399. Another 169 on this is worth it, just for GR4.

[chromatronic]

at least even if many peoples will be pissed by that komplete 6, Native did an UPDATE of Kompact (3.5) just some week before moving to Kompact 4.... its for me very nice of them compared to how APPLE moved from Logic 8.02 to LOGIC 9 without making an update to logic 8 to correct major bugs...

[undertone]

I don't blame them for dropping AP, EP, B4 and Pro-52. They've all gone as far as they could, though they could have introduced better libs for the Pianos.

There's nothing ground-breaking in K6. K4 and A5 look like they're just more friendly to use with some new DSP bits thrown in (that's actually the only stuff that does look interesting). Guitar Rig is still there, though I'm still wondering why. Reaktor 5 is still "the Future of Sound" so I guess the fact it hasn't evolved in a few years is ok. Battery3 is still there, despite the fact that every 3rd party drum sample collection seems to come out for Kontakt player. The rest are the same.

Bit of an under-achiever this Komplete... or should I say semi-Komplete? Kore software version is very absent in this release. Maybe next time...

[jamwerks]

I understand the AP thing, not thinking to be able to compete with Ivory or VSL. The EP stays there but moves to KontaKt. All the Pro-53 stuff can be done with Massive and Reaktor. But I'm still more than a little perplex about B4II disappearing. They're not samples so no move to Kontakt posible. Ok, if they don't want to develope it any further, why not just keep it?

To me it's the best Hammond plug out there, and NI seems to have essentialy moved all that great technology to the trash can.

[chromatronic]

saddly also its not the first time they do that.... Vokator... the delay plugin... etc etc

Really i learned a good lesson from gearslut.... buy more hardware... it will continue to work in 5 years -_-

[Sascha Franck]

Originally Posted by undertone

Guitar Rig is still there, though I'm still wondering why.

How so? GR is excellent and GR4 is going to be even more excellent.

- Sascha

[TopCatz]

Bunch of idiots. B4 / Elektrik Piano / Pro-53 were some of the best software instruments with great sound and great interfaces. Discontinuing them / lumping them together with other stuff is such a lame move.

Makes you really wonder why you bother with software at all. Oh yeah, I can't get a Hammond, Rhodes et al. and a Prophet in my room. Screw native instruments.

[Tube World]

Originally Posted by TopCatz

Bunch of idiots. B4 / Elektrik Piano / Pro-53 were some of the best software instruments with great sound and great interfaces. Discontinuing them / lumping them together with other stuff is such a lame move.

Makes you really wonder why you bother with software at all. Oh yeah, I can't get a Hammond, Rhodes et al. and a Prophet in my room. Screw native instruments.

I agree to some degree, but do you know how many have sold in the last year? Perhaps that is the reason why

[YUGA]

Originally Posted by TopCatz

Bunch of idiots. B4 / Elektrik Piano / Pro-53 were some of the best software instruments with great sound and great interfaces. Discontinuing them / lumping them together with other stuff is such a lame move.

Makes you really wonder why you bother with software at all. Oh yeah, I can't get a Hammond, Rhodes et al. and a Prophet in my room. Screw native instruments.

Elektrik Piano is included in the new Kontakt 4 library. But I agree I love B4 and Pro-53. Pretty sad they're discontinued and we will never see 64-bit versions. But I've just bought K5 in July and I can upgrade to K6 for $169. Not bad. I have Akoustic Piano, Pro-53 and B4 that new K6 owners won't have. Killer deal for K2 owners!

[undertone]

Originally Posted by Sascha Franck

How so? GR is excellent and GR4 is going to be even more excellent.

- Sascha

It's simply not an "instrument" in the strictest interpretation of the word. It's a processor, like Vokator and Spektral Delay. Don't get me wrong, it's a great processor, but it kind of sticks out when you look at it from the "which of these things belong together" perspective, especially now.

[MCJ]

According to the DV247 site Komplete still supports PPC. But looking at Native’s site that doesn’t seem to be the case.
The difference between the minimum system requirements for respectively PC and Mac seem to be huge then (@ NI’s site that is).

[steff3]

Originally Posted by chromatronic

at least even if many peoples will be pissed by that komplete 6, Native did an UPDATE of Kompact (3.5) just some week before moving to Kompact 4.... its for me very nice of them compared to how APPLE moved from Logic 8.02 to LOGIC 9 without making an update to logic 8 to correct major bugs...

Mileage varies definitely ... I remember when even sample lib devs complained that NI released K3 (payed update) although K2.2x was buggy .... K3.0x was even buggier ...

I mean, the product policy of one is not really better than the other, but ...

and i is not Apple in general. Look at Aperture - the day Snow Leopard was released there was an update for Aperture - the 6th free upate. (2.1 had major feature additions for free.)

I think the fact is - Logic is an old software, rewriting all the stuff takes time and costs lots of money.

Updating Kontakt just a few weeks after the 3.5 update also seems rather lame to me. Here is a free major update (64bit) but now we want you to pay for some minor features ....

But well, hurray for uncritical enthusiasm.

Best

[The MPCist]

For 169, I think it's a no brainer.... especially for me since I 'lost out' on upgrading to K5 a few weeks ago....

Too bad some of the stuff has been dropped. Or did they just move those into Kontakt's library...?

[Sascha Franck]

Originally Posted by undertone

It's simply not an "instrument" in the strictest interpretation of the word. It's a processor, like Vokator and Spektral Delay. Don't get me wrong, it's a great processor, but it kind of sticks out when you look at it from the "which of these things belong together" perspective, especially now.

I see what you're on about.
So, would your suggestion be that if they still continued making FX processing units, they should do a more "generic" one?
I could partially agree with such a statement - but still, as another example: I'm usually getting quite faster results doing drums with Battery than with Kontakt, even if Battery is based on the Kontakt engine.
Or wait, are you saying NI shouldn't do any FX processors at all and concentrate on their instruments? I'd say no to that - just wait until you get your hands on GR4 and you may know why...

- Sascha

[ohmicide]

the new guitar rid pro audio demos on the site sound kinda promising, and i only listened with my mbp's speakers