Snow Leopard coming soon ! Who is upgrading and why ?

[pdiddy boy]

So looks like Snow Leopard could be with us as soon as August 28th, so my next question GS is who is upgrading and why ?

Also it would be good to know if anyone has beta tested Snow Leopard for running Music Applications and what advantages they found over Leopard, I must say I'm a bit nervous about jumping just yet.

[fizzler]

Originally Posted by pdiddy boy

So looks like Snow Leopard could be with us as soon as August 28th, so my next question GS is who is upgrading and why ?

Also it would be good to know if anyone has beta tested Snow Leopard for running Music Applications and what advantages they found over Leopard, I must say I'm a bit nervous about jumping just yet.

I did a fresh install with the latest developer build 10.6 (10A432) and Logic 9 -
running the logic multicore benchmark on my friends 2.66 quadcore nehalem via the internal soundcard

--> absolute NO performance gain right now (actually it was a bit worse that 10.5.8)
but don't flame me, as always YMMV ;-)

some software/drivers with kernel extensions don't work (m-audio profire 2626), so it will take time till all manufacturers update their stuff.

Since Apple always locks the BIOS of new computers to the actual OS X version, I ordered my new Mac Pro right now and will run it with 10.5.8 till everything runs smooth in 10.6 ;-)

[Stiff]

Originally Posted by pdiddy boy

So looks like Snow Leopard could be with us as soon as August 28th, so my next question GS is who is upgrading and why ?

Also it would be good to know if anyone has beta tested Snow Leopard for running Music Applications and what advantages they found over Leopard, I must say I'm a bit nervous about jumping just yet.

Well, since I mainly use Pro Tools I expect to be able to update somewhere around the same date next year

[DistortingJack]

I'll upgrade only when, and if, there's a patch for Logic to make it less sluggish.
Then again, it's super cheap, so I might feel adventurous come september...

[therecordinghous]

honestly, i feel no need to upgrade. my macbook pro runs tiger and is 100% stable for live recording. my mac pro came with leopard, and i have had no issues with it.

if it aint broke.....

[symplectiq]

break it.. and then you can fix it

[pdiddy boy]

Originally Posted by therecordinghous

if it aint broke.....

Thats what I'm thinking too, my Mac Pro is running sweet, I don't wana rock the boat with Snow Leopard. I also decided not to upgrade to Logic Pro 9 until at least a few updates have be released.

[steff3]

Normally I am slow with new major OS versions, but having Leopard on my IntelliMacBook and I think it is a horrible OS (coming vom a PPC G5 with Tiger) - the worst MacOS I ever used. So I hope Snow Leopard will be a big step forward ...

best,
Steff

[skiff]

thats why I want leopard maybe logic 9 will run better. loops work fine at 44.1 88 and cut off at strange times in 48 96 I have reinstalled 5 times.

[_Morph_]

Originally Posted by pdiddy boy

Thats what I'm thinking too, my Mac Pro is running sweet, I don't wana rock the boat with Snow Leopard. I also decided not to upgrade to Logic Pro 9 until at least a few updates have be released.

Precisely. That's the reason why I'm steady at Tiger 10.4.10 and Logic 8.
Everything is running smoothly, and the new Logic buggy features are not worth it for now. If and when more RAM is needed, then I might give it some thought.

[bakerman]

everything running fine now, getting lots done. maybe in 9-12 months

[mavano]

Originally Posted by fizzler

Since Apple always locks the BIOS of new computers to the actual OS X version, I ordered my new Mac Pro right now and will run it with 10.5.8 till everything runs smooth in 10.6 ;-)

How does that work? I'm changing to mac and plan to buy a macbook pro at NYC when I'm going there in October. Will I be "stuck" with Leoard snow? If it doesn't work with PT I'd like the option to move back to Leopard for a while...

Can't I just make a fresh leopard install?

[lagavulin16]

I'm upgrading because it's supposed to give better performance, particularly if you have a lot of ram and multiple cores.

Interested to see what it does for Logic.

[Blake Minaker]

It'll be fine. The developer builds are much more solid that the initial Leopard release. I look forward to the new add ins and what they can offer. I'll probably install Logic at some point next week when I get a copy on another partition and report back.

[jmarkham]

Is there a PowerPC version? If not, I won't be using it..

jeff

[Nu-tra]

Just ordered it! Woot

[lagavulin16]

Originally Posted by jmarkham

Is there a PowerPC version? If not, I won't be using it..

jeff

It's Intel only.

I don't understand why people want to stay on Tiger or other older operating systems unless you're running a studio or a mission critical app. I always enjoy being on the bleeding edge even if it means a few more bugs.

Of course, any crashes aren't going to hit my pocket book... and I don't use PT, which I know can lag a bit in terms of OSX support.

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by lagavulin16

It's Intel only.

I don't understand why people want to stay on Tiger or other older operating systems unless you're running a studio or a mission critical app. I always enjoy being on the bleeding edge even if it means a few more bugs.

Of course, any crashes aren't going to hit my pocket book... and I don't use PT, which I know can lag a bit in terms of OSX support.

The ppc people have to buy a new machine to run it , thats why

[ambiguity]

Originally Posted by lagavulin16

It's Intel only.

I don't understand why people want to stay on Tiger or other older operating systems unless you're running a studio or a mission critical app. I always enjoy being on the bleeding edge even if it means a few more bugs.

Of course, any crashes aren't going to hit my pocket book... and I don't use PT, which I know can lag a bit in terms of OSX support.

Some people just don't feel the need to upgrade. If it ain't broken, why fix it?

[fizzler]

Originally Posted by mavano

How does that work? I'm changing to mac and plan to buy a macbook pro at NYC when I'm going there in October. Will I be "stuck" with Leoard snow? If it doesn't work with PT I'd like the option to move back to Leopard for a while...

Can't I just make a fresh leopard install?

Ok, I'll try to explain.
Every Mac comes with a pre-installed OS.
You can always update your OS to a newer version (except your hardware is not supported anymore), but you NEVER can install an older OS X version on that machine.

f.e.: actual Macs ship(ped?) with "Leopard 10.5.x" ---> so you can't install "Tiger 10.4.x"

After the release of Snow Leopard all Macs ship with the new OS pre-installed.

I remember when I bought my Macbook it came with 10.5 pre-installed, just a few weeks after the release. It took many weeks and updates till everything ran as smooth as it does now. - I personally don't want to risk waiting again -

[VoiceManMike]

Originally Posted by fizzler

Ok, I'll try to explain.
Every Mac comes with a pre-installed OS.
You can always update your OS to a newer version (except your hardware is not supported anymore), but you NEVER can install an older OS X version on that machine.

f.e.: actual Macs ship(ped?) with "Leopard 10.5.x" ---> so you can't install "Tiger 10.4.x"

After the release of Snow Leopard all Macs ship with the new OS pre-installed.

I remember when I bought my Macbook it came with 10.5 pre-installed, just a few weeks after the release. It took many weeks and updates till everything ran as smooth as it does now. - I personally don't want to risk waiting again -

To clarify: You can never install an OS older than what originally came with the computer. This is why you should never lose your original start up disk.

[mavano]

Originally Posted by fizzler

Ok, I'll try to explain.
Every Mac comes with a pre-installed OS.
You can always update your OS to a newer version (except your hardware is not supported anymore), but you NEVER can install an older OS X version on that machine.

f.e.: actual Macs ship(ped?) with "Leopard 10.5.x" ---> so you can't install "Tiger 10.4.x"

After the release of Snow Leopard all Macs ship with the new OS pre-installed.

I remember when I bought my Macbook it came with 10.5 pre-installed, just a few weeks after the release. It took many weeks and updates till everything ran as smooth as it does now. - I personally don't want to risk waiting again -

Thanks...

Given the ridiculous price differences between Europe and the US I think I'll still buy one anyway. I want to run PT on it, but I wont be fully committed to that single machine so I'll manage for a while.

And just because something isn't "Digi aproved" doesn't mean it won't work. That's my personal experience anyway...

[6strings]

Originally Posted by lagavulin16

I don't understand why people want to stay on Tiger or other older operating systems unless you're running a studio

[ambiguity]

Originally Posted by VoiceManMike

To clarify: You can never install an OS older than what originally came with the computer. This is why you should never lose your original start up disk.

That's not necessarily true, plenty of people are running Mac Pros on Tiger. I know people who downgraded their Tiger systems to Panther as well.

If you lose your original startup disk you can buy a copy of the same OS and be back in business.

[jmarkham]

Originally Posted by lagavulin16

It's Intel only.

I don't understand why people want to stay on Tiger or other older operating systems unless you're running a studio or a mission critical app. I always enjoy being on the bleeding edge even if it means a few more bugs.

Of course, any crashes aren't going to hit my pocket book... and I don't use PT, which I know can lag a bit in terms of OSX support.

Our protools systems purr like kitties on PowerPC / Leopard and PT 8 ...
I'm not going anywhere for a while..

jeff

[lagavulin16]

Originally Posted by 6strings

Do you have any reasons? I haven't had any problems with Leopard on my Logic system.

[Ben F]

Originally Posted by _Morph_

Precisely. That's the reason why I'm steady at Tiger 10.4.10 and Logic 8.
Everything is running smoothly, and the new Logic buggy features are not worth it for now. If and when more RAM is needed, then I might give it some thought.

Same here, works 100%

[miro]

Originally Posted by fizzler

Ok, I'll try to explain.
Every Mac comes with a pre-installed OS.
You can always update your OS to a newer version (except your hardware is not supported anymore), but you NEVER can install an older OS X version on that machine.

f.e.: actual Macs ship(ped?) with "Leopard 10.5.x" ---> so you can't install "Tiger 10.4.x"

After the release of Snow Leopard all Macs ship with the new OS pre-installed.

I remember when I bought my Macbook it came with 10.5 pre-installed, just a few weeks after the release. It took many weeks and updates till everything ran as smooth as it does now. - I personally don't want to risk waiting again -

as far as i'm concerned you get an empty computer and install the OS yourself! (how it was for my mbp)

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by jmarkham

I'm not going anywhere for a while..

If it aint broke..

I'm still running Tiger at the studio. There's simply no reason to upgrade.... at least not yet, with the system I'm running. I'de MUCH rather have a smooooooth running system over anything.

[fizzler]

Originally Posted by dragan

That's not necessarily true, plenty of people are running Mac Pros on Tiger. I know people who downgraded their Tiger systems to Panther as well.

I know it may work under certain circumstances and you need at least another computer, where you install the "older" OS X version. I tried that with my macbook, it did boot, but without graphics hardware accelleration, simply because apple doesn't write drivers for "Tiger" anymore. -
Maybe in a Mac Pro you can put an "older" video card which is supported, but I really wouldn't recommend it anyone.

Fact is the system version which comes with your Mac is the minimum supportet version and that information is branded somwhere in BIOS.