UAD Cambridge NS-10 Preset

[fossaree]

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I've just looked at this thread at UAD forum and wanted to post it here to see if someone
chimes in about this ! Does it make any sense ?

[greyskull]

mmmmm interesting idea.
but i've already got Ns10s.. sooooooooo

[fossaree]

bumping !

[miro]

wonder if it really get close to the real NS-10's
i mean i believe to be able to mix fequencies below 60Hz (no subwoofer) and hear/adjust freq above 11KHz aswell. isn't also the midrange what makes the NS-10's so special. i personally love their sound
but can't try the EQ setting on others, since the NS-10 are the only speakers i use

[fossaree]

right ...

I'm just considering this work around , because actually I've got an amazing offer to buy a NS10 ... But, if this work around would be considered fair , I wouldn't buy them as I've already got an ecxellent pair of Dynaudio !

[GGreen]

Time Domain.

Frequency Domain.

FAIL.

Speakers are more than a function of the Frequency domain.

People attempting this have no idea what so ever about what it was about the NS10 that made it work like it does and it has VERY LITTLE to with its frequency response.

Its impulse response was unique. You cannot recreate that with an Eq curve sorry.

And its impulse response is again only one aspect of its performance.

And if you dont understand why go read a book.

next.

[psycho_monkey]

Have a banana on this monkey.

Perfect response, and something some people never seem to get.

Originally Posted by gfx

Time Domain.

Frequency Domain.

FAIL.

Speakers are more than a function of the Frequency domain.

People attempting this have no idea what so ever about what it was about the NS10 that made it work like it does and it has VERY LITTLE to with its frequency response.

Its impulse response was unique. You cannot recreate that with an Eq curve sorry.

And its impulse response is again only one aspect of its performance.

And if you dont understand why go read a book.

next.

[GGreen]

Yum!

Glad someone else 'gets it'



Gareth

[fossaree]

Thanks . I will read a book .

[XAXAU]

Turn down the volume on your monitors. There you go...

[fossaree]

Originally Posted by XAXAU

Turn down the volume on your monitors. There you go...

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by greyskull

mmmmm interesting idea.
but i've already got Ns10s.. sooooooooo

Me, too. Not sure I want to hear NS10M squared...

That said, looking at his formula for the EQ changes, I don't think that's going to get the peculiar signature of the NS10M. Having lived with it and seen repsonse curves for it, I can attest to the fact that the response curve for them is a lot more uneven and complex than his formula.

And, of course, you'll never capture the true essence of the NS10M in a plug in. Please.

[Warren Beck]

Hello.

No plug-in at this stage in technological evolution can truly emulate/replicate through equalisation and frequency specific compression any analogue device (they may sound neat/good or even close). However we exist in a market driven consumer based economy. We have plug-ins that emulate microphones, compressors (etc.), consoles, and now speakers. The chain is complete. Anyone with a credit card or a $ can purchase a fake XYZ and put it in to their mix. Soon you will be able to buy an emulator that will mix drums like Kramer, guitars like Lord-Alge, ensembles like van Gelder, etc.....

Many tools are made, but are they good tools? Valuable tools? Needed tools?

Regards,

[miro]

Originally Posted by XAXAU

Turn down the volume on your monitors. There you go...

errmm, what? has alot to do with the topic, ha?

[code 10]

Originally Posted by Warren Beck

Hello.

No plug-in at this stage in technological evolution can truly emulate/replicate through equalisation and frequency specific compression any analogue device (they may sound neat/good or even close). However we exist in a market driven consumer based economy. We have plug-ins that emulate microphones, compressors (etc.), consoles, and now speakers. The chain is complete. Anyone with a credit card or a $ can purchase a fake XYZ and put it in to their mix. Soon you will be able to buy an emulator that will mix drums like Kramer, guitars like Lord-Alge, ensembles like van Gelder, etc.....

Many tools are made, but are they good tools? Valuable tools? Needed tools?

Regards,

I have to disagree with you, I've listened to both a real Pultec and UAD's software version to my ears and a good friend who's a mastering engineer, to us they both sound the same,mght be worth having a read of the Fatso thread too, makes very interesting reading.

I'd prefer racks and racks of hardware but I've not the cash to purchase say 20 Fairchilds so the next best option for myself and others is to use plug ins.

Back to the O.P, would be interesting to see what this NS 10 trick sounds like.

[fossaree]

Originally Posted by Tony-->

I have to disagree with you, I've listened to both a real Pultec and UAD's software version to my ears and a good friend who's a mastering engineer, to us they both sound the same,mght be worth having a read of the Fatso thread too, makes very interesting reading.

I'd prefer racks and racks of hardware but I've not the cash to purchase say 20 Fairchilds so the next best option for myself and others is to use plug ins.

Back to the O.P, would be interesting to see what this NS 10 trick sounds like.

I'm with you mate !

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Tony-->

I have to disagree with you, I've listened to both a real Pultec and UAD's software version to my ears and a good friend who's a mastering engineer, to us they both sound the same,mght be worth having a read of the Fatso thread too, makes very interesting reading.

I'd prefer racks and racks of hardware but I've not the cash to purchase say 20 Fairchilds so the next best option for myself and others is to use plug ins.

Back to the O.P, would be interesting to see what this NS 10 trick sounds like.

you're missing the point.

It's nothing to do with emulations, and everything to do with the fact that you can't emulate transient response with a simple eq. If you think you can, you need to do some serious reading up on the way acoustics works. An ns10 is useful for more than it's eq curve.

This "trick" won't make your monitoring system sound like ns10s, just what it would sound like with a master eq over the mix.

[fossaree]

idon't think either that its gonna be like a NS10...
According to the post on UAD forum , the guy uses this EQ settings to try to make his mixes translating , as a check mode ...

[Plec]

This NS-10 EQ preset nulls perfectly against a pair of NS-10's.

[woodfoot]

Originally Posted by gfx

Time Domain.

This is what I thought.

One of the reasons I've always found NS10s easy to mix on is because they are so forward, not because of their frequency response. If anything it makes mixing more difficult.

[fossaree]

Food for thoughts anyways ...


(BTW, I've just bought a pair of NS-10)

[miro]

Originally Posted by fossaree

Food for thoughts anyways ...


(BTW, I've just bought a pair of NS-10)

haha! there you go. best you could do!

[XAXAU]

Originally Posted by miro

errmm, what? has alot to do with the topic, ha?

You havent heard of Fletcher Munson curves have you?

[miro]

Originally Posted by XAXAU

You havent heard of Fletcher Munson curves have you?

did i miss something?

[HomeProducer]

Originally Posted by gfx

Time Domain.

Frequency Domain.

FAIL.

Speakers are more than a function of the Frequency domain.

People attempting this have no idea what so ever about what it was about the NS10 that made it work like it does and it has VERY LITTLE to with its frequency response.

Its impulse response was unique. You cannot recreate that with an Eq curve sorry.

And its impulse response is again only one aspect of its performance.

And if you dont understand why go read a book.

next.

+1

- the sealed cabinet
- the passive design

just cutting out bass and treble gives phase shift

I added a subwoofer to my NS10s.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Plec

This NS-10 EQ preset nulls perfectly against a pair of NS-10's.

er....what? how can you possibly test that?!

And assuming you did (ie recorded the output from a pair of NS10s vs a pair of "NS10ed" "other" monitors (of course, did whoever did this UAD preset or anyone thinking it's valid consider that the frequency/time domain response of your own speakers will also be a factor?), it would NEVER null.

Honestly, please stop it with this nonsense already. If you don't understand the smallest amount of acoustics, you really don't have enough knowledge to discuss this issue with any sort of authority.

[miro]

Originally Posted by Plec

This NS-10 EQ preset nulls perfectly against a pair of NS-10's.

what?

[boody]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

er....what? how can you possibly test that?!

And assuming you did (ie recorded the output from a pair of NS10s vs a pair of "NS10ed" "other" monitors (of course, did whoever did this UAD preset or anyone thinking it's valid consider that the frequency/time domain response of your own speakers will also be a factor?), it would NEVER null.

Honestly, please stop it with this nonsense already. If you don't understand the smallest amount of acoustics, you really don't have enough knowledge to discuss this issue with any sort of authority.

I think he was kidding I think the name 'ns10 preset' shouldn't be taken too seriously; the name just hints that the preset makes you 'focus on the mids and effects etc just like you would on, say, ns10 speakers'. I didn't try it but it could work, it's not a bad idea in any way. But to think it is a preset that will eliminate the need for ns10's is a bit silly. If that would be the case: who needs a U47? Just replicate the eq curve

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by boody

I think he was kidding I think the name 'ns10 preset' shouldn't be taken too seriously; the name just hints that the preset makes you 'focus on the mids and effects etc just like you would on, say, ns10 speakers'. I didn't try it but it could work, it's not a bad idea in any way. But to think it is a preset that will eliminate the need for ns10's is a bit silly. If that would be the case: who needs a U47? Just replicate the eq curve

I missed the sarcasm then..I HOPE he was kidding!

trouble is there's people that do believe that this is a substitute (remember Antares mic modeller?!).

[boody]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

trouble is there's people that do believe that this is a substitute (remember Antares mic modeller?!).

Now that was a really good joke, which made the smart folks of Antares some money as well