The non-bashing, on-topic, spam-free Logic 9 thread for people who use/prefer Logic

[nativeaudio]

Hi all,

The already existing Logic 9 thread is sort of overpopulated by people who either haven't tried Logic 9, checked out what it does, or who for the most part appear to join the thread to tell us (repeatedly) why they think another DAW is better or why they don't use Logic - based on various claims. This thread is intended to be different...


So... If you want to discuss that DAW X sounds better than DAW Y, please include examples. If you come hear to claim that you can hear un-measurable or un-documentable differences between DAWs - don't.

If you think audio editing or mixing or anything else is better in another DAW, post specific examples on what you think should be improved in Logic 9. (For starters, here's one listening test.)

Do you think Reaper is much better than Logic? Then please say it somewhere else - and use Reaper! :-)

If you don't know if a feature is implemented in Logic 9, but want to tell us repeatedly how much it s*cks that it wasn't in Logic 8 or 7? Go away. :-)

Are you angry because Apple dropped the PC version of Logic? Just be be angry in another thread!

The only intension of this thread is to allow Logic users to discuss and ask questions about Logic 9 with other people who use and prefer Logic.

The fact that 8.02 hasn't been updated with bugfixes for a while and that it's too bad one has to pay for an upgrade even if one recently bought Logic 8 have also been discussed in other threads.

Be nice! :-)

[piano]

Are Waves ver. 5 plugs compatible with Logic 9?

How about all my other plugs?

Is the upgrade force any other re instals with 3rd party plug ins?

[KFMG]

Originally Posted by piano

Are Waves ver. 5 plugs compatible with Logic 9?

How about all my other plugs?

Is the upgrade force any other re instals with 3rd party plug ins?

I've been using LP9 since Saturday. I haven't had to do any reinstalls yet. I have not tried any of my Waves plugs yet though.

[TheDriller]

Been using Logic 9 for the past two days and i'm loving it.
the one and only thing i don't like about it is the new green colour of the EQ preview box on the channel strip.

[CKK]

Got it today. So far all is well on my aging G5 dual 2,3gig - it clearly outperform logic 8 in both speed and features.

To me, this looks like the biggest update since introducing vst support.

[ravenosa]

Look at all the unprofessional, newbie Logic users ~ oh wait, I'M a Logic user! I guess this isn't the place to come to hear about how much better ProTools is?

j/k. Hello, fellow Logicians!

Hey, anybody see any of the Logic tutorials from Farout5150 on YouTube?
I almost wet myself in laughter. Funny stuff.

re: new Logic, getting it this weekend. Can't wait! I'll report back with my experiences...

[Gebo]

I bought the upgrade but dont have 10.5 on my system (first gen 17" MBP, never got the new OS). Im going to bite the bullet and buy a MacPro. Do I need to install 8 on the new machine, than run the logic 9 upgrade disk. Or, do I just run the Logic 9 disk and enter the SN from my Logic 8 box?

[rogerbrain]

Former Samplitude user. I mainly use the DAW for simple recording and playback. but since getting 8 I am having a ball with the loops, synths and filters.

I saw a tutorial on youtube about moving beats (parts of wave files) around without having to slice the file up...TOO COOL has anyone used this yet and how 'separate' do the file segments need to be?? the one on youtube was using drum hits separated by a lot of dead air... what about a bass guitar or acoustic guitar track?

[Timur Born]

Originally Posted by CKK

Got it today. So far all is well on my aging G5 dual 2,3gig - it clearly outperform logic 8 in both speed and features.

By "outperform Logic 8 in speed", what exactly do you mean? Is the GUI more responsive or can you put more load to it or do the shipped plugins use less load (if so how do you measure that)? I'm really curious about the "under the hood" improvements and tweaks.

I recently tested the Fireface UC and one of my test was running Logic 8 at 32 samples loading the CPU near 100% with two instances of a specially prepared Kore 2 patch with all 18 inputs and outputs being used. Seemed to run pretty well.

So an "improvement in speed" would have to be that the same setup uses less CPU load in Logic 9, or that using many plugins would create less overhead and thus use less CPU load.

I'm always open to better performance, so maybe we could go into more detail about the changes here?

[trevor.welch]

Originally Posted by Timur

By "outperform Logic 8 in speed", what exactly do you mean? Is the GUI more responsive or can you put more load to it or do the shipped plugins use less load (if so how do you measure that)? I'm really curious about the "under the hood" improvements and tweaks.

I recently tested the Fireface UC and one of my test was running Logic 8 at 32 samples loading the CPU near 100% with two instances of a specially prepared Kore 2 patch with all 18 inputs and outputs being used. Seemed to run pretty well.

So an "improvement in speed" would have to be that the same setup uses less CPU load in Logic 9, or that using many plugins would create less overhead and thus use less CPU load.

I'm always open to better performance, so maybe we could go into more detail about the changes here?

I would also love to know this... On a Mac Pro Quad-core with 5gigs of RAM and with 10+ *audio* tracks (no VSTs, very little effects processing) and a film clip, I can't even zoom in and out without the GUI lagging in Logic 8... Frustrating.

native --> Do you think the speed updates will fix this?


Also, has anybody had problems with plug-in installs migrating to Logic 9?

[Trebor Flow]

Now add me to your ignore list

This thread really PISSES ME OFF

Change you f*cking title Nativeaudio to remove the word "user" to only read prefer.

I am a user (been using Logic way longer than you I'll wager) and I have a right to bash Logic if I want - do I have to start my own thread to have a say that is less than positive.

Why don't you go over to Sonikkmater Logic forum - the whole forum is just one big Love in - no descent allowed.

If this is the way you want Gearslutz to be "Exclusive threads" gentleman's club - then I done posting on Gearslutz.

I find you thread very offensive - actually it's outragous and very offensive

SPEAKING AS A LOGIC USER - WHO'S SPENT £1000 and £1000 of pounds on Logic.

If this thread isn't locked by a moderator - then I will stop posting and spreading the good word about Gearslutz - I find it offensive and frankly prejudice.

Trebor.

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by Trebor Flow

If this is the way you want Gearslutz to be "Exclusive threads" gentleman's club - then I done posting on Gearslutz.

Yes, I think it should be possible to have what you call 'exclusive' threads without the interruption of a handful of Logic bashers who join almost every Logic thread with what only seems like anti-Logic spam.

Please just start your own threads for that, because some of us don't have time to read (or interest in reading) through all the stuff some of you keep repeating in all those threads.

It's too bad that people have to use Ignore Lists to be able to follow a thread about a given topic - even a thread with 'non-bashing, on-topic' in the thread title.

[rcb4t2]

Hey gang,

Let's try to keep this above the maturity level of your average YouTube comments arguments....

I think it's fine to have a thread where ppl talk about what's new or whatever they find interesting about the new software without sidetracking into arguing about which DAW is better or why you hate Apple or whatever...

It's likely that people end up at GS instead of Logic forums or whatever b/c here it's a pretty high level group without a lot of total novices (no hate to the newbies, just sayin). I was just browsing some blogs about LP9 and was pretty frustrated by the level of expertise - wanted to come here to hear from *real* professionals their thoughts about the new software.

We're all either professionals or want to be, let's act like it...

[j-uk]

I did a session today with lots copying and pasting regions all over the arrangement.
Could someone please tell me how the new copy and paste at Marquee position is functioning, fiddly or as easy as PT?


Cheers

J

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by j-uk

I did a session today with lots copying and pasting regions all over the arrangement.
Could someone please tell me how the new copy and paste at Marquee position is functioning, fiddly or as easy as PT?


Cheers

J

(as reported by JPZ in another thread "the marquee tool now works like the selector in PT when pasting meaning you don't have to bring the SPL to the point where you want to paste. Just click with the marquee tool where you want it to go and Voila!

P.S. I don't have L9 yet (I think the French Logsters are being punished for one reason or another) so I haven't tried it yet. I do lots of copy and pasting midi while orchestrating so in 8 I lost a lot of time.

[duckoff]

Are Waves ver. 5 plugs compatible with Logic 9?

How about all my other plugs?

Is the upgrade force any other re instals with 3rd party plug ins?

My waves plugs are working fine, as are all my other plugs

Have had 2 sessions on LS9 so far & both have been fault free other than 1 crash.

Loving the new geatures esp flex time, pedalboard & 'convert to EXS' feature

[SKyflash34]

They won't start their own thread because simply no one will bother reading it.
They've opened their mouths too much and there's nothing new to say. Personally
if I were someone new to this forum I would be choosing to ignore them on principle alone.
Theres nothing positive that can come from any of it so why bother?

Sorry to anyone who feels they've just lost their favorite DAW,but really... get over it
and go use something else. You might even like it and you might actually do something
positive for the world. OK thats all I'm gonna say about THAT.

So anyway, I've had a couple issues but I'm really liking Logic 9 so far. As someone
who has really longed for better audio editing features, I got a lot that I've wished for.
The new tool and cycle options brought a lot of PT like functionality over. I originally
started on Logic, then moved to PT for a few years. I moved back when I got my
Macbook as I realized Logic was my true home. When L8 came out I really felt for the
first time that I had a truly powerful DAW at my fingertips. I was still missing PT
for some things but now that Logic 9 is here, there is little I need to use PT for
except for maybe a few RTAS only plugins

I'm really feeling positive about the direction Logic is heading with version 9.

[ravenosa]

Can I ask a random Logic question here?
Forgive me if I'm hijacking but I can't resist:

How do I choose an audio channel strip setting for an instrument channel? Is that possible?

I'll have an EXS piano or an Ultrabeat drum track and I'd like to use a channel strip setting to place effects/eq/etc over a track. When I look at all the prefab channel settings I only have the instrument ones available for instrument tracks, which changes the virtual instrument and everything.

When I have my instrument already chosen I just want to use a channel strip settings that I could try over a bass drum track or whatever sound I already have picked out.

Hmmm, I guess I could choose an audio channel strip and just drag all the fx over to the instrument track.

Sorry for the hijack.

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by ravenosa

Can I ask a random Logic question here?

Of course, and the answer is: hold down the alt key when opening the channel strip setting menu.

[Nicholas Varley]

I'm looking forward to getting my copy of L9; pleased to hear Waves et al. are still working. Surprised to hear that L9 feels more "snappy" than L8. Personally I've just got used to L8 and the last session I did in L7 was in mid 2008. Don't know if I'll ever use Flex-Time or Varispeed that much, but I know already that Track Notes and Channel Names will come in very handy, as will the new "highlighting" feature around various windows. Can't wait.

[Timur Born]

Originally Posted by Nicholas Varley

Surprised to hear that L9 feels more "snappy" than L8.

Well, that point is still open to discussion (once the other got over their discussion about what this thread is about ). Someone said that LP9 offer better performance, but he didn't say in what areas and how one realizes that.

Is LP9 snappier? Does LP9 allow more plugins to be used? Does LP9 use less CPU load?

Questions, questions...

[Nicholas Varley]

Info from Apple's Logic User's forum - all is not plain sailing apparently...


Apple - Support - Discussions - Logic 9 Teething Troubles - so far, not ...

[ivarsson]

Originally Posted by Gebo

I bought the upgrade but dont have 10.5 on my system (first gen 17" MBP, never got the new OS). Im going to bite the bullet and buy a MacPro. Do I need to install 8 on the new machine, than run the logic 9 upgrade disk. Or, do I just run the Logic 9 disk and enter the SN from my Logic 8 box?

I bought a Mac Pro just a couple of hours ago.
I'm installing the first logic 9 disc out of nine right now...

No, you don't have to install any previous version... just enter the upgrade s/n and the installer will ask you for your previous s/n or to insert your xs-key. Works with no problems at all so far...

[TheDriller]

Originally Posted by Timur

Well, that point is still open to discussion (once the other got over their discussion about what this thread is about ). Someone said that LP9 offer better performance, but he didn't say in what areas and how one realizes that.

Is LP9 snappier? Does LP9 allow more plugins to be used? Does LP9 use less CPU load?

Questions, questions...

I've had Logic 9 running for the past few days and i think it is "snappier".

Logic 8 would get kinda slow and glitchy with the graphics while zooming or scrolling through a massive project with lots of regions during playback. its much smoother in Logic 9. generally more responsive and faster loading times. the CPU efficiency seems to have been improved too.

[backini]

I upgraded from 8.02 to 9 last Tuesday and everything seemed to be running fine, I didn't get any 'memory low' messages as reported by some other users, I finished off a couple of mixes that I'd started in L8 with only one soft crash in 3 days, all my UAD's and powercore plugs working fine (although when it did crash it said that the crash may have been caused by the powercore). I made good use of flex time tightening a bv to the lead vox, and the fact you can cut with the marque tool and fade with the pointer is a handy time saver. I did find that every time I 'save as' (no assets enabled) it hung for about 20 seconds before doing so but apart from that - all good.
Yesterday I had a guy coming in to do 17 acoustic guitar and vocal tracks with a few over dubs, nothing major. It was the first project I'd started in L9 and as usual with these sessions, I recorded everything into the same arrangement for speed and ease. Everything seemed ok aside from one odd moment when I tried to name a region while in record and it removed the region from the arrangement, I tried to import it back from the bin but it wouldn't work so I had to delete it from the bin and reimport from the browser - a pain but workable, however, at the end of the session I bounced each track down and found that 8 of the 17 tracks had random start and end points - cutting in a few seconds into the track and finishing up to 15 seconds later, I was already burning the CD by this point as this has worked fine in L8, and both the client and I had no time left to sort it out - what a sour end to an otherwise good day.
I'm not bashing Logic as I blame myself for being too eager to try the new features, I just thought I'd mention it.

[H-Rezz]

This a step in the right direction from Apple re:-support ...

Survey about Logic documentation and comments area .....

Apple - Logic Studio - Documentation Survey

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by H-Rezz

This a step in the right direction from Apple re:-support ...

+ 1, if you like printed manuals (paper or PDF) make sure and tell Apple !!

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by TheDriller

Been using Logic 9 for the past two days and i'm loving it.
the one and only thing i don't like about it is the new green colour of the EQ preview box on the channel strip.

seriously??? that's the first thing i liked about it!




also smart snap is not smart snapping for me, can anyone confirm this bug?

i have it set to absolute and everything else works fine cept the smart one

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by alehoe

also smart snap is not smart snapping for me, can anyone confirm this bug?

In what way has the behavior changed (since 8.02)?

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by nativeaudio

In what way has the behavior changed (since 8.02)?

instead of snapping to absolute value, it's just snapping all over the place

you can see in the picture i posted that the midi track just wouldn't snap in the right place