What will so great about OSX when it come to mac recording?

2nd June 2002, 03:25 PM

I dont understand the big excitement..

Jules

C.Lambrechts · 3rd June 2002, 09:02 PM

me neither but I am hoping and saying prayers every night that it will have something to do with automatic plugin delay compensation for ProTools and nice multi processor functionality so I can finaly realy use my dual 800

davemc · 4th June 2002, 02:00 AM

I do not know as well, if it does not add anything to PT then thats all I use. I have no Net on the computer and once finished recording I turn it off and head home to the PCevileye

alphajerk · 4th June 2002, 06:31 AM

actually, from what i have heard. it will make PT hardware kinda incompatible.

oh, and native audio with almost no latency. vastly improved USB drivers... couple other things. its supposed to be a godsend for the native market, a nightmare for digi.

i just wish they would come out with quad processors. i have yet to tap out my dualGHZ but.... more is better.

Renie · 4th June 2002, 03:36 PM

Hi

Do you think it'll be auto delay compensation for HD only? Is instanciation on the fly likely too? MIX user's are really going to see the lay of the land when PT hit's 6 and OSX.

I was hoping there would be more exciting news other than it looking pretty.
I wish I'd seen the PT 6.0 OSX beta that has been spotted around...

Renie

C.Lambrechts · 4th June 2002, 06:28 PM

the auto delay compensation for plugins is one I've asked digi guys for years now .... and last time I asked they seemed to tell me in their own odd way by not saying anything about future releases that it is on it's way and that OS X would definately have something to do with it ....

but with digi you never know ... I hope they keep surprising us with good things .... like they have done uptill now ....

alphajerk · 4th June 2002, 06:59 PM

apparently the auto compensation will take a load of processing to take care of and when digi surveyed a sample user base, most would rather not have auto compensation and more dsp.... at least thats what i heard through the grapevine.

matt-fu · 4th June 2002, 09:45 PM

I don't know what software makers have planned for OS X, but as far as the operating system itself goes, the upgrade from 9 to X is roughly the equivalent of Ford taking the Fiesta and having BMW redesign everything except for the body panels and steering wheel. There is just a whole lot more system-level stuff that software manufacturers can easily take advantage of.

robdarling · 4th June 2002, 11:06 PM

Stability, stability, stability. And Digi will finally be able to do a major overhaul of the software (no point in doing it now if they have to redo it for OS X is the logic, here.)

jeronimo · 11th June 2002, 12:49 PM

I am waiting for OS X because of Digidesign. I could use iLogic or Digital unPerformer, but I don´t get along very well with´em.
I hope sometime soon, I can use PT LE 6 on OSX and take advantage of my Dual 533...

Opus2000 · 14th June 2002, 05:13 AM

Nuendo on OSX........all I have to say....fast, stable, reliable...etc etc etc!

Opus

alphajerk · 14th June 2002, 09:42 AM

nuendo is out for OSX?

jeronimo · 14th June 2002, 11:33 AM

I don´t think so... maybe Opus2000 has access to some beta testing or something.

kato · 14th June 2002, 04:01 PM

Jules, the biggest change is that mac users finally have an operating system that doesn't crash. yuktyy
In OS9 it was annoying to capture a good take, hit stop in your virtual transport (in Spark for example) and then watch your mouse freeze up. That happens ALL the time in OS9.

Also, OSX has system level 24bit/96kHz multichannel audio and midi support which should make a huge difference. Read Apple's description of what they call "CORE" audio at:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/audio.html

So Opus2000, when is a final version of Nuendo for OSX supposed to be available? I'm going to break down and buy Deck 3.5 if they don't hurry up! :)

kato

Opus2000 · 14th June 2002, 05:19 PM

A Beta tester I am not...only seen it on a beta testers machine...
if you go to the Nuendo site you will see that they are having events for Apple shows that are showing the OSX version to the public........:eek:

I can tell you it is very very stable......looks really nice too
Opus

C.Lambrechts · 15th June 2002, 08:47 PM

cool .......... kinda looking foreward to what OS X will bring to ProTools or rather ... what Digi will do with it .... I have my hopes up on plenty of things .......

16th June 2002, 06:36 PM

Hey Jules,
The man saying stable is on the money.
The other part is proper multi-tasking, where the background tasks continue working away in the background at a determinable rate, rather than os9.what.ever's way of stealing most of the clocks for what's in the focus.
This gets more and more important as the machines get faster and more powerful, and we ask 'em to do more an' more simultaneously.
Before anyone else points out I don't know too much specific to macs, I will, but everything above aplies to unix, which is what osX is based around.

Opus2000 · 16th June 2002, 07:25 PM

Yes, OSX is finally multi-thread capable....I never realized this till just recently...
without a doubt OSX will change the way that mac's operate entirely(well, the same but with a twist of lemming they always say!

)
I'm wondering if PT will carbonize it and truly make it even faster.....
grudge
Opus

Bob Olhsson · 16th June 2002, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Niall Macdonald

The other part is proper multi-tasking, where the background tasks continue working away in the background at a determinable rate, rather than os9.what.ever's way of stealing most of the clocks for what's in the focus.

"Proper multitasking" means that "what's in the focus" will NOT have as many system resources available. For real-time audio production this is not exactly a feature although it's great for graphics applications that need to render high resolution output files.

Improper multitasking and the ability to run without using virtual memory is a lot of why the Mac has remained the system of choice for audio.

Volodia · 1st July 2002, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Opus2000

I'm wondering if PT will carbonize it and truly make it even faster.....
grudge
Opus

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The best way to make a program work great on Mac OSX is not to carbonize it but to rewrite it entirely in "cocoa" OSX native language . Another great advantage of Mac OSX is that there are no more extensions (source of conflicts),and a much better graphical gestion

Paul Turpin · 13th July 2002, 08:23 AM

OS X uses dual processors at the root level - every program run on OS X will benefit from having them. Also - we'll finally see the fruit of Apple's purchase of the Op'Coders. The pre-release core midi functionality looks a lot like Aqua OMS to me (which is a good thing). Methinks Digi better stick to the middle & high ends of the market - because Apple's gonna take the low end and keep it.

The really good thing on OS X is that when some other program you are running at the same time as your real work (PT6.0 or whatever) crashes - it doesn't hose your other applications. I like OS X a lot - it is just taking a long time to get many of the functions implemented.

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2nd June 2002, 03:25 PM	#1
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	What will so great about OSX when it come to mac recording? I dont understand the big excitement.. Jules

3rd June 2002, 09:02 PM	#2
C.Lambrechts Lives for gear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ans (Liege) Belgium Posts: 3,214	me neither but I am hoping and saying prayers every night that it will have something to do with automatic plugin delay compensation for ProTools and nice multi processor functionality so I can finaly realy use my dual 800 __________________ Chris Lambrechts MiLaR Event ITB or OTB ... Who cares .... it's all about MIXING.

4th June 2002, 02:00 AM	#3
davemc Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Melb, Australia Posts: 1,029	I do not know as well, if it does not add anything to PT then thats all I use. I have no Net on the computer and once finished recording I turn it off and head home to the PCevileye __________________ Bye Ya Dave INDENT

4th June 2002, 06:28 PM	#6
C.Lambrechts Lives for gear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ans (Liege) Belgium Posts: 3,214	the auto delay compensation for plugins is one I've asked digi guys for years now .... and last time I asked they seemed to tell me in their own odd way by not saying anything about future releases that it is on it's way and that OS X would definately have something to do with it .... but with digi you never know ... I hope they keep surprising us with good things .... like they have done uptill now .... __________________ Chris Lambrechts MiLaR Event ITB or OTB ... Who cares .... it's all about MIXING.

4th June 2002, 06:31 AM	#4
alphajerk There is only one Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: asheville NC Posts: 5,291	actually, from what i have heard. it will make PT hardware kinda incompatible. oh, and native audio with almost no latency. vastly improved USB drivers... couple other things. its supposed to be a godsend for the native market, a nightmare for digi. i just wish they would come out with quad processors. i have yet to tap out my dualGHZ but.... more is better.

4th June 2002, 03:36 PM	#5
Renie Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 1,785	Hi Do you think it'll be auto delay compensation for HD only? Is instanciation on the fly likely too? MIX user's are really going to see the lay of the land when PT hit's 6 and OSX. I was hoping there would be more exciting news other than it looking pretty. I wish I'd seen the PT 6.0 OSX beta that has been spotted around... Renie

4th June 2002, 06:59 PM	#7
alphajerk There is only one Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: asheville NC Posts: 5,291	apparently the auto compensation will take a load of processing to take care of and when digi surveyed a sample user base, most would rather not have auto compensation and more dsp.... at least thats what i heard through the grapevine.

4th June 2002, 09:45 PM	#8
matt-fu Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1	I don't know what software makers have planned for OS X, but as far as the operating system itself goes, the upgrade from 9 to X is roughly the equivalent of Ford taking the Fiesta and having BMW redesign everything except for the body panels and steering wheel. There is just a whole lot more system-level stuff that software manufacturers can easily take advantage of. __________________ If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line. It'd better work this time.

4th June 2002, 11:06 PM	#9
robdarling Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 717	Stability, stability, stability. And Digi will finally be able to do a major overhaul of the software (no point in doing it now if they have to redo it for OS X is the logic, here.)

11th June 2002, 12:49 PM	#10
jeronimo Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Salvador, BA - Brazil Posts: 2,535	I am waiting for OS X because of Digidesign. I could use iLogic or Digital unPerformer, but I don´t get along very well with´em. I hope sometime soon, I can use PT LE 6 on OSX and take advantage of my Dual 533... __________________ Think Diferente! www.verticeestudio.com http://www.myspace.com/jelmet

14th June 2002, 05:13 AM	#11
Opus2000 Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14	Nuendo on OSX........all I have to say....fast, stable, reliable...etc etc etc! Opus

14th June 2002, 09:42 AM	#12
alphajerk There is only one Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: asheville NC Posts: 5,291	nuendo is out for OSX?

14th June 2002, 11:33 AM	#13
jeronimo Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Salvador, BA - Brazil Posts: 2,535	I don´t think so... maybe Opus2000 has access to some beta testing or something. __________________ Think Diferente! www.verticeestudio.com http://www.myspace.com/jelmet

14th June 2002, 04:01 PM	#14
kato Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 75	Jules, the biggest change is that mac users finally have an operating system that doesn't crash. yuktyy In OS9 it was annoying to capture a good take, hit stop in your virtual transport (in Spark for example) and then watch your mouse freeze up. That happens ALL the time in OS9. Also, OSX has system level 24bit/96kHz multichannel audio and midi support which should make a huge difference. Read Apple's description of what they call "CORE" audio at: http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/audio.html So Opus2000, when is a final version of Nuendo for OSX supposed to be available? I'm going to break down and buy Deck 3.5 if they don't hurry up! :) kato

14th June 2002, 05:19 PM	#15
Opus2000 Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14	A Beta tester I am not...only seen it on a beta testers machine... if you go to the Nuendo site you will see that they are having events for Apple shows that are showing the OSX version to the public........:eek: I can tell you it is very very stable......looks really nice too Opus

15th June 2002, 08:47 PM	#16
C.Lambrechts Lives for gear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ans (Liege) Belgium Posts: 3,214	cool .......... kinda looking foreward to what OS X will bring to ProTools or rather ... what Digi will do with it .... I have my hopes up on plenty of things ....... __________________ Chris Lambrechts MiLaR Event ITB or OTB ... Who cares .... it's all about MIXING.

16th June 2002, 06:36 PM	#17
eggface Guest Posts: n/a	Hey Jules, The man saying stable is on the money. The other part is proper multi-tasking, where the background tasks continue working away in the background at a determinable rate, rather than os9.what.ever's way of stealing most of the clocks for what's in the focus. This gets more and more important as the machines get faster and more powerful, and we ask 'em to do more an' more simultaneously. Before anyone else points out I don't know too much specific to macs, I will, but everything above aplies to unix, which is what osX is based around.

16th June 2002, 07:25 PM	#18
Opus2000 Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14	Yes, OSX is finally multi-thread capable....I never realized this till just recently... without a doubt OSX will change the way that mac's operate entirely(well, the same but with a twist of lemming they always say! ) I'm wondering if PT will carbonize it and truly make it even faster..... grudge Opus

13th July 2002, 08:23 AM	#21
Paul Turpin Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Posts: 322	OS X uses dual processors at the root level - every program run on OS X will benefit from having them. Also - we'll finally see the fruit of Apple's purchase of the Op'Coders. The pre-release core midi functionality looks a lot like Aqua OMS to me (which is a good thing). Methinks Digi better stick to the middle & high ends of the market - because Apple's gonna take the low end and keep it. The really good thing on OS X is that when some other program you are running at the same time as your real work (PT6.0 or whatever) crashes - it doesn't hose your other applications. I like OS X a lot - it is just taking a long time to get many of the functions implemented. __________________ Paul Turpin Bayside Digital Services bayside web page Clickpop Records clickpop web page

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