nuendo 2 vs nuendo 3 (sx3) sound engine

lukasbrooklyn · 23rd August 2005

after having worked on a project for some time in nuendo 2 and subsequently having switched over to nuendo 3, i found the same project sounded different. i haven't run any [phase-reverse the two exported files] tests, i'm just referring to the initial impression i got (eg, the high end sounded more 'dynamic'). some channels within that project go well over the digital 0, but since nuendo is internally 32fp, it shouldn't be a problem (unless on the master bus); i was wondering though if this could be the area where the two programs act differently? or has the new gui merely tricked me into hearing 'things'...?

-lukas

sleepwalker · 23rd August 2005

Check your panning laws in both programs. If they're not the same you could get an obvious difference in sound. Wider soundstage, more clarity in the vocal, etc.

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Originally Posted by lukasbrooklyn

after having worked on a project for some time in nuendo 2 and subsequently switching over to nuendo 3, i found the same project sounded different. i haven't run any [phase-reverse the two exported files] tests, i'm just referring to initial impression i got (ie, the high end sounded more 'dynamic'). some channels withing that project go well over the digital 0, but since nuendo is internally 32fp, it shouldn't be a problem (unless on the master bus); i was wondering though if this could be the area where the two programs act differently? or has the new gui merely tricked me into hearing 'things'...?

-lukas

lukasbrooklyn · 23rd August 2005

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Originally Posted by sleepwalker

Check your panning laws in both programs. If they're not the same you could get an obvious difference in sound. Wider soundstage, more clarity in the vocal, etc.

thanks. but the panning remained the same.

lukasbrooklyn · 15th February 2006

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Originally Posted by lukasbrooklyn

thanks. but the panning remained the same.

someone else has some suggestions...?

jcat · 15th February 2006

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Originally Posted by lukasbrooklyn

after having worked on a project for some time in nuendo 2 and subsequently having switched over to nuendo 3, i found the same project sounded different. i haven't run any [phase-reverse the two exported files] tests, i'm just referring to the initial impression i got (eg, the high end sounded more 'dynamic'). some channels within that project go well over the digital 0, but since nuendo is internally 32fp, it shouldn't be a problem (unless on the master bus); i was wondering though if this could be the area where the two programs act differently? or has the new gui merely tricked me into hearing 'things'...?

-lukas

I beleive this is a case of eyes over ears. AFAIK the audio engine hasn't been altered in any way that would change the sound.

Maybe they have alstered the stock eq and or dynamics a bit, but I never use them anyway.

You'll have to do a null test if you want some peace of mind.

Cheers,

jcat

Bazzirliozzo · 28th September 2007

They are the same.

jupiter8 · 28th September 2007

This is what Fredo (moderator on nuendo.com) wrote.

"is there a new sound engine in Cubase/Nuendo 4?

No.
You can't get better than it already is. All existing DAW's have a summing engine which produces the *exact* same results, down to the LSB's. Difference is that one will have dither noise at -136 dB, while the other will have distortion at -136 dB. The only thing that eventually can be improved are the internal effects, but those have nothing to do with the sound engine.
Again, every DAW on the market has a sound engine which allows you to mix your projects at the best possible digital standards.

It becomes a different story when you push your DAW over the technical limits. (and I see people doing this all of the time these days) In this case, Nuendo stays the "most forgiving" mix engine on the market. There are about 1500 dB of headroom in a 32-bit floating mixer, if that isn't enough ...."

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lukasbrooklyn Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: prague, czech rep. Posts: 221 Thread Starter	nuendo 2 vs nuendo 3 (sx3) sound engine after having worked on a project for some time in nuendo 2 and subsequently having switched over to nuendo 3, i found the same project sounded different. i haven't run any [phase-reverse the two exported files] tests, i'm just referring to the initial impression i got (eg, the high end sounded more 'dynamic'). some channels within that project go well over the digital 0, but since nuendo is internally 32fp, it shouldn't be a problem (unless on the master bus); i was wondering though if this could be the area where the two programs act differently? or has the new gui merely tricked me into hearing 'things'...? -lukas

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jupiter8 Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,088	This is what Fredo (moderator on nuendo.com) wrote. "is there a new sound engine in Cubase/Nuendo 4? No. You can't get better than it already is. All existing DAW's have a summing engine which produces the exact same results, down to the LSB's. Difference is that one will have dither noise at -136 dB, while the other will have distortion at -136 dB. The only thing that eventually can be improved are the internal effects, but those have nothing to do with the sound engine. Again, every DAW on the market has a sound engine which allows you to mix your projects at the best possible digital standards. It becomes a different story when you push your DAW over the technical limits. (and I see people doing this all of the time these days) In this case, Nuendo stays the "most forgiving" mix engine on the market. There are about 1500 dB of headroom in a 32-bit floating mixer, if that isn't enough ...."