The best firewire cables!?
tommy_asakawa
Thread Starter
#1
26th May 2009
Old 26th May 2009
  #1
Lives for gear
 
tommy_asakawa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Location: Huntington Beach, California

Thread Starter
The best firewire cables!?

Quote
1
#2
26th May 2009
Old 26th May 2009
  #2
3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,978

Arrow

Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_asakawa View Post
cables that guarantee 99.997% OFC or better are the good ones.
good shield. also OFC.

to really test cables, you need an osciloscope with the EYE pattern.
search gearslutz.

silver plated, or pure silver even better.

a nice bang for the $, Philips PXT1000,
#3
26th May 2009
Old 26th May 2009
  #3
Lives for gear
 
jimmydeluxe's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: West Hollywood

Fwiw, I've never used anything but the cheap ones that came with my external HD and Motu896HD, and I've never had a problem. What's the purpose/application of the cable? I'd be interested to hear how it affects performance or makes a difference.
#4
26th May 2009
Old 26th May 2009
  #4
Gear Guru
 
henryrobinett's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 10,448

I've had a few crap ones. I don't buy premium now, but I'd certainly be interested. Bad cables exhibit errors and make you chase your tail, thinking it's anything BUT the cable. For days I thought it was the interface I was having trouble with. But it was just a bad cable.

This happened to me twice. Enough times for me to know better.
#5
27th May 2009
Old 27th May 2009
  #5
Gear maniac
 
iceberg's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Location: STL, MO
Posts: 194

If I need one I have always bought them from shop4tech.com and they have always worked well and they are inexpensive.
Btw, they also have good deals on TY CD's.
The customers do a good job of reviewing the products as well. Great prices on dvd/cd cases, sleeves, external drive enclosures and all kinds of other stuff.
To clarify, I do not work for them, I just have never had a bad experience with any of my many orders.
#6
5th August 2009
Old 5th August 2009
  #6
Lives for gear
 
ProFool's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Location: BELGICA, THE FLANDERS, VENICE OF THE NORTH !
Posts: 1,016

I'm experiencing a lot of firewire underflow in PT since PT8, after some research I found a post on the DUC recommending the granite digital cables, they just arrived this morning and just unpacked them. They look really well build, nothing compared to the standard cables from digi and hopefully my errors are resolved since all other troubleshooting did not... there also seem to be lots of difference in FW cables, I didn't knew that before, hopefully they work as good as they look... Ill report later on...
#7
5th August 2009
Old 5th August 2009
  #7
Gear maniac
 
xgabrielx's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 281

If your Firewire-cable is fine it only sends 1-0-1-0-0-1-0-0-1-0-0......
so it is realy not that big deal WHAT cable you buy....
tommy_asakawa
Thread Starter
#8
5th August 2009
Old 5th August 2009
  #8
Lives for gear
 
tommy_asakawa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Location: Huntington Beach, California

Thread Starter
Quote:
Originally Posted by xgabrielx View Post
If your Firewire-cable is fine it only sends 1-0-1-0-0-1-0-0-1-0-0......
so it is realy not that big deal WHAT cable you buy....
I so wish your comment to be true, I'd save a butt-load of money if that was the case...
#9
5th August 2009
Old 5th August 2009
  #9
Lives for gear
 
MonkeyAdam's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Dallas, TX USA
Posts: 574

My understanding is that there is error checking that happens with the data that makes it less necessary to have nice cables (than with spdif, for example). But you will still have bad data that gets re-sent if it's bad. Better cables will have less of this erroneous transmission, but are you guys reporting a benefit in sound?
tommy_asakawa
Thread Starter
#10
5th August 2009
Old 5th August 2009
  #10
Lives for gear
 
tommy_asakawa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Location: Huntington Beach, California

Thread Starter
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkeyAdam View Post
My understanding is that there is error checking that happens with the data that makes it less necessary to have nice cables (than with spdif, for example). But you will still have bad data that gets re-sent if it's bad. Better cables will have less of this erroneous transmission, but are you guys reporting a benefit in sound?
Not me - I'm having "smoother" operations where I use the Granite cables.

Mostly between firewire 800/computer and audio interface/computer, performance.
#11
6th August 2009
Old 6th August 2009
  #11
Gear maniac
 
xgabrielx's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 281

I learned it in collage:
When you send/recieve DIGITAL DATA nothing less then 1-0-1-0-0-1-0-0- are send.

The only problem about the quality could be, that the cable is that bad, that the diference between the 1 and the 0 are no more noticable for the Firewire chip.
Like the SNR of a cable.

But if you buy standart firewire cable which is under 3m you are on the good side of things
#12
6th August 2009
Old 6th August 2009
  #12
Gear addict
 
soulfield's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Location: Dahlonega, Georgia
Posts: 302

Binary is all thats moving down the cable, but ti's still a flexible conductor . If it dosent break the bank, or rather if you cant afford to have a bad cable of any kind cripple a session than spend a little extra and get a better built cable.

Strain relief and short cable runs to HD's are a cheap way to preserve the life of any cable.
#13
6th August 2009
Old 6th August 2009
  #13
Lives for gear
 
ProFool's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Location: BELGICA, THE FLANDERS, VENICE OF THE NORTH !
Posts: 1,016

Update:

My PT buffer underflow error (The audio device buffer underflowed. If this occurs frequently, try decreasing the "H/W Buffer Size" in the
Playback Engine panel or remove other devices from
the audio firewire bus. (-6085)
Is Finally GONE !!!

Second result, I had a white noise kinda hum in my speakers when playback was off, it was like I could hear the firewire clock ticking in white noise, very annoying. IT IS GONE !!!

To conclude I'm very happy that I changed the FW cable, it was worth the extra money and import from the US. Now you can say it was just the fw cable that was broken in the first place, NO it wasn't, I thought it was a while ago and bought a new one from digi and had the same result. (errors and noise)

Cheers and thanks to Mr. Olhsson for his recommendation on the DUC.
#14
6th August 2009
Old 6th August 2009
  #14
Lives for gear
 
MonkeyAdam's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Dallas, TX USA
Posts: 574

Interesting.
#15
10th August 2009
Old 10th August 2009
  #15
Lives for gear
 
ProFool's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Location: BELGICA, THE FLANDERS, VENICE OF THE NORTH !
Posts: 1,016

(-6085) is not completely gone unfortunately, the noise is though.
I'm in the middle of troubleshooting again, but no results so far unless i better wait for PT8 cs4
#16
10th August 2009
Old 10th August 2009
  #16
Gear nut
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 102

Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by xgabrielx View Post
If your Firewire-cable is fine it only sends 1-0-1-0-0-1-0-0-1-0-0......
so it is realy not that big deal WHAT cable you buy....
Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

I replaced the cable that came with the Motu ultralite mk3 and all asio errors stoped! I runs so stable now... Not only does the cable matter, don't assume the cable that comes with the interface is any good...

Examples: Maudio 2496 firewire= POS cable. Worst one ever seen.
Motu MK3 Ultralite= Cable looks good but gave me error. Replace it
DigiD 002 r= Nice cable..Remember being pissed when I gave it away after selling the 002
#17
10th August 2009
Old 10th August 2009
  #17
Gear Guru
 
henryrobinett's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 10,448

As I said earlier, I had three episodes of severe troubleshooting that happily ended after replacing my firewire cable. THREE separate occasions. One can theorize on the impossibility or impracticality or improbability all day long, but when it happens more than once or TWICE it's suddenly sits in the category of The Probable.
#18
10th August 2009
Old 10th August 2009
  #18
Lives for gear
 
MonkeyAdam's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Dallas, TX USA
Posts: 574

Is everyone using TI firewire chipsets?

(Mac = yes)
#19
10th August 2009
Old 10th August 2009
  #19
Lives for gear
 
ProFool's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Location: BELGICA, THE FLANDERS, VENICE OF THE NORTH !
Posts: 1,016

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkeyAdam View Post
Is everyone using TI firewire chipsets?

(Mac = yes)
TI ? Texas Instruments? yes on PC
#20
10th August 2009
Old 10th August 2009
  #20
Lives for gear
 
MonkeyAdam's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Dallas, TX USA
Posts: 574

Just checking... I know my motu won't even work without a TI chipset.
#21
11th August 2009
Old 11th August 2009
  #21
Lives for gear
 
s.d.finley's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,188

Quote:
Originally Posted by xgabrielx View Post
I learned it in collage:
When you send/recieve DIGITAL DATA nothing less then 1-0-1-0-0-1-0-0- are send.

The only problem about the quality could be, that the cable is that bad, that the diference between the 1 and the 0 are no more noticable for the Firewire chip.
Like the SNR of a cable.

But if you buy standart firewire cable which is under 3m you are on the good side of things
Collage?

I just went to skool.
#22
31st August 2011
Old 31st August 2011
  #22
Gear nut
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 104

Quote:
Originally Posted by xgabrielx View Post
I learned it in collage:
When you send/recieve DIGITAL DATA nothing less then 1-0-1-0-0-1-0-0- are send.

The only problem about the quality could be, that the cable is that bad, that the diference between the 1 and the 0 are no more noticable for the Firewire chip.
Like the SNR of a cable.

But if you buy standart firewire cable which is under 3m you are on the good side of things
lol. collage. And don't you mean, when you send/receive* (i before e, except after c) DIGITAL DATA nothing more* than 1-0-1-0-0-1-0-0- are sent* (not "send").

Sorry, I just had to point all that out.

But on the more serious side, I don't see why the fact that digital data consists entirely of 1s and 0s would decrease the need for quality cabling. Suppose shielding is bad RF interference occurs and creates noise. Or perhaps a low quality cable could result in a loss of signal integrity (sometimes 1s are replaced with 0s or vice versa, or digits are omitted). Also, it is not recommended that one uses over a 15 foot cable because after that length, there is often a loss of signal. I wonder if perhaps when you approach the 15 foot mark, a lower quality cable may start having issues slightly below 15 feet or at 15 feet, while a higher quality cable could retain the signal's integrity and strength at 15 feet or perhaps a slightly longer.

Just thoughts. I just didn't see the premise that all that is transferred through a firewire cable is 1s and 0s as necessarily leading to the fact that cable quality is of little importance, or of less importance than in cables that transmit different types of information.
#23
31st August 2011
Old 31st August 2011
  #23
Lives for gear
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,365

Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_asakawa View Post
Not me - I'm having "smoother" operations where I use the Granite cables.
Must be well-polished granite? I wonder if they also make counter tops?

The key is to de-gauss your FW cables regularly, or depending on your lifestyle, you might need to de-louse them.
Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Similar Threads
Thread
Thread Starter / Forum
Replies
felix / Music Computers
9
rockinrocker / Music Computers
2
joeq / Music Computers
4
penguin / Music Computers
4
cedric / Music Computers
11

Forum Jump
 
Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.