Dear Digi: Please give us "Freeze" on Instrument tracks!!!

[The MPCist]

"Freeze" for audio tracks would threaten Digi's ability to sell more Process cards so I'm sure they won't implement it for PT affecting audio tracks but the following would work:

"Freeze" ability limited to instrument tracks.

This way, we could at least freeze the VI's that we use to arrange/compose with and since it's rtas, it doesn't affect process cards' sales thus Digi could do it without any damage......

What do you think?

I've sent a few emails to them about this. Hopefully the more they hear about this, they might consider it.

[hipass]

How to Freeze a track in Protools

Method # 1
1) Press the Solo Button
2) BTD ( Split Stereo )
3) Check Import after Bounce
4) Right Click and inactivate hide old track

Method # 2
Record to a new track

Method #3
Get a 16 Core Mac Pro
You will not need freeze

[The MPCist]

Totally not the same nor is it a workaround that I would use for arranging in PT. Freeze is a one button thing -- freeze it... and unfreeze it. No tracking involved. And no mac pro is 'big' enough to handle arranging especially if you are dealing with EWQLSO Platinum Orchestral stuff and a dozen other VI's. Those will bring it to its knees.

[FLZapped]

Originally Posted by hipass

How to Freeze a track in Protools

Method # 1
1) Press the Solo Button
2) BTD ( Split Stereo )
3) Check Import after Bounce
4) Right Click and inactivate hide old track

Method # 2
Record to a new track

Method #3
Get a 16 Core Mac Pro
You will not need freeze

Method 4 - uninstall PT and get SONAR.

[ray dsr]

Forgive my ignorance. What is "Freeze"?

[cltd]

Originally Posted by ray dsr

Forgive my ignorance. What is "Freeze"?

Something Ableton Live has....
Track Freezing In Ableton Live

[kafka]

Originally Posted by cltd

Something Ableton Live has....
Track Freezing In Ableton Live

That looks very useful. I wish ProTools had Freeze.

[Axiz7]

NO freeze...

NO Delay Compensation...

WHERE does the "PRO" in TOOLS come in?

...OH that's right with the HD upgrade.

Cubase had freeze back in what?...SX3.

[ray dsr]

wow. "Freeze" does seem useful.

i saw a clip of the avid market solutions manager saying how they WISH could get ADC to work in LE, but they haven't been able to figure out how.

could that be true?

[strauss]

Originally Posted by cltd

Something Ableton Live has....
Track Freezing In Ableton Live

I think Ableton's freeze implementation is by faaar the best there is!

[C Heat]

Originally Posted by The MPCist

Totally not the same nor is it a workaround that I would use for arranging in PT. Freeze is a one button thing -- freeze it... and unfreeze it. No tracking involved.

Exactly. Why do people have such a hard time understanding this?

Originally Posted by The MPCist

And no mac pro is 'big' enough to handle arranging especially if you are dealing with EWQLSO Platinum Orchestral stuff and a dozen other VI's. Those will bring it to its knees.

True. Hell, a few Hybrids + Xpand2!s + MiniGrand's + Booms will give you errors

[cltd]

Originally Posted by kafka

That looks very useful.

Yes it is. One can win some more CPU power just by freezing some tracks.

[hipass]

Originally Posted by FLZapped

Method 4 - uninstall PT and get SONAR.

How do I run my TDM/Only only plug-ins in Sonar?

[JustinAiken]

I support this thread.

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by hipass

How do I run my TDM/Only only plug-ins in Sonar?

Sell them and buy UAD - Kidding!

[The MPCist]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Sell them and buy UAD - Kidding!

[jupiter8]

Originally Posted by ray dsr

wow. "Freeze" does seem useful.

i saw a clip of the avid market solutions manager saying how they WISH could get ADC to work in LE, but they haven't been able to figure out how.

could that be true?

I seriously doubt that. It isn't exactly rocket science.

[matt thomas]

Originally Posted by jupiter8

I seriously doubt that. It isn't exactly rocket science.

i remember when the mellowmuse guy programed his plugin to do it with pings. Someone here on gearslutz suggested it, and a few hours later he had the plugin working.

Thats is if I remember correctly.

Also of course I realise the plugin way of doing it would not cross over exactly to how PT would have to do it

My point is I think they are making excuses.

narco

[Sonic Nomad]

Originally Posted by jupiter8

I seriously doubt that. It isn't exactly rocket science.

Pro Tools Le is based on a Real Time Audio Suite engine otherwise known as RTAS.
To get an idea of how this works - You have two major components being;
Firstly, the GUI (Graphic User Interface) that comprises the file management system and record/playback and editing.
Secondly you have the RTAS engine. This is likened to a modular digital mixer.
It's almost as though the RTAS engine and the GUI are separate entities.
One is a tape machine that handles recording and playback with the added bonus of graphical editing and other features. The other is the mixer through which all routing, panning, levels, effect processing and automation are handled.

This is where the problem comes in. How do you send the midi data to the instrument that's on a real time mixer channel and capture it back to tape - well currently ONLY by recording it in real time.
This is also why there is no Automatic Delay Compensation in Pro Tools Le or quick offline bounce as the engine that handles audio processing is real time.
This is the way I see it and though I've said this in other threads and forums where Digi staff have been present none have either confirmed nor denied this.
So without a total re-write of the the entire software it is not likely that you'll see these features in Pro Tools.

[jupiter8]

Originally Posted by Sonic Nomad

Pro Tools Le is based on a Real Time Audio Suite engine otherwise known as RTAS.
To get an idea of how this works - You have two major components being;
Firstly, the GUI (Graphic User Interface) that comprises the file management system and record/playback and editing.
Secondly you have the RTAS engine. This is likened to a modular digital mixer.
It's almost as though the RTAS engine and the GUI are separate entities.
One is a tape machine that handles recording and playback with the added bonus of graphical editing and other features. The other is the mixer through which all routing, panning, levels, effect processing and automation are handled.

This is where the problem comes in. How do you send the midi data to the instrument that's on a real time mixer channel and capture it back to tape - well currently ONLY by recording it in real time.
This is also why there is no Automatic Delay Compensation in Pro Tools Le or quick offline bounce as the engine that handles audio processing is real time.
This is the way I see it and though I've said this in other threads and forums where Digi staff have been present none have either confirmed nor denied this.
So without a total re-write of the the entire software it is not likely that you'll see these features in Pro Tools.

Que ?

[Alndln]

Originally Posted by hipass

How do I run my TDM/Only only plug-ins in Sonar?

The same way you run them in PTLE.

[taturana]

Originally Posted by FLZapped

Method 4 - uninstall PT and get SONAR.

ROTFL!!!

[hipass]

Originally Posted by Axiz7

NO freeze...

NO Delay Compensation...

WHERE does the "PRO" in TOOLS come in?

...OH that's right with the HD upgrade.

Cubase had freeze back in what?...SX3.

My LE rid has delay compensation - Mellowmuse ATA
Don't be lazy record down your tracks with BTD.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Sonic Nomad

This is also why there is no Automatic Delay Compensation in Pro Tools Le or quick offline bounce as the engine that handles audio processing is real time.
This is the way I see it and though I've said this in other threads and forums where Digi staff have been present none have either confirmed nor denied this.
So without a total re-write of the the entire software it is not likely that you'll see these features in Pro Tools.

that's all well and good until you reach HD, which runs RTAS and does have ADC.

So it's obviously possible to run RTAS plugins (in real time) with ADC.

I'm sure there's code that would need re-writing to incorporate ADC into PT LE - I just don't think it's for the reasons you're suggesting.

Just because Digi staff haven't confirmed or denied what you've written above, doesn't make it right. They ignore lots of random "thinking out loud" on forums.

You may be totally right, maybe you've got advanced programming knowledge that I don't. But it doesn't read that way - numbers that get crunched in realtime can get crunched off line - how do you think audiosuite plugins work?

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by hipass

How do I run my TDM/Only only plug-ins in Sonar?

How do I run sonar on my Mac (yes bootcamp, I know...how under Mac OSX though?)

How do I run Sonar on the HD rigs in every studio in London?

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Alndln

The same way you run them in PTLE.

what in RTAS mode - sonar supports RTAS now?!

[The MPCist]

Originally Posted by Jesse Cannon

I have been compiling a features wish list I post on my blog and send to digi everytime we add something, I added this to it
Pro Tools Features Wish List: The Ability To Freeze Tracks - Musformation

Great! There's also another thread on DUC about it as well. Hopefully Digi will do something about it.

[raal]

Dear Digi: Please give us "Freeze" on Instrument tracks!!!

[Axiz7]

Originally Posted by hipass

My LE rid has delay compensation - Mellowmuse ATA

Cool...I'll send Avid the $49.00 bill since it wasn't included in the package.

[HobbyCore]

Bounce to disk is realtime.... Freeze would be a major pain if it was realtime