Wave Rider: Virtual fader control for Pro Tools

[Mundox]

Wave Rider is a unique RTAS plugin that detects audio signal level of the inserted tracks and writes real-time volume automation information on the relevant Pro Tools tracks.
Main advantage of Wave Rider over standard dynamics control plugins is that Wave Rider attenuates or increases the levels depending on the incoming level, resulting in a smooth, uncolored signal. After an automation pass, Wave Rider can be taken off the track, and the automation can be altered if so desired.

Main features:

-- Maintain a user selectable nominal output level on the inserted track.

-- Apply automatic "ducking" via volume faders, and not rely on third party compressors.

-- "Auto Park" faders during silence, creating automatic mixing capabilities.


Mac OS X Universal Binary, RTAS

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[G-Spot]

Now that's something interesting!!!

I doubt that it will make the perfect vocal-fader-rides in one go, but it will certainly speed up the process of riding those faders! I already feel like cheating

Also useful for drums for sure!

I want it!

[Bruce Keen]

This is such a great idea. It's got the 3 key functions I've dreamt of.
Spending more time with the kids rather than following post pro dialog all night is sure
worth the 75dollars.
I spend so much time getting dialog level just right with little compression.
Gonna try it out right now but if it works (doesnt bug) it's a no brainer

Cheers

[futur2]

i want a cubase/vst version for PC!!!

[SKyflash34]

This is brilliant!! I have to say there are more and more things making
me consider going back to Pro Tools and this one is another step in that
direction.

[futur2]

anyone tested it yet? does it work like announced? wadda u think?

[mark.james]

PC version anytime soon?

[Mundox]

anyone tested it yet? does it work like announced? wadda u think?

Yep there are some believers.

PC version anytime soon?

Sorry, not soon.

[yeloocproducer]

this could be really cool, esp. at the price.

I'd love to try bussing a vocal that has had a "wave ride" into a compressor... maybe it would allow less compression overall with better effect.

I'm guessing the algos would be too rough to actually ride a vocal in a mix outright, but who knows.

[elambo]

I've been asking for this for 10 years - I'm amazed it has taken this long. Seems like such an easy plugin to create. Anyone who has taken the time to use volume to duck and boost instead of using a compressor to do the same job will understand how this plugin will be useful. Compressor volume control and automation volume control don't sound the same. Each has its uses.

A lot of times I'll use volume to fix Esses instead of a DeEsser, which usually works better - I wonder if this will be good at catching them. I guess it could be side-chained to do that.

[Markd102]

Originally Posted by Mundox

Sorry, not soon.

You're probably missing out on 60-70% of your potential market right there.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Markd102

You're probably missing out on 60-70% of your potential market right there.

They'd be missing a large part of the market, but are 60-70% of DAW users on a PC? That seems pretty high. Where did you find these numbers?

[Markd102]

Don't know any official numbers, but I'll bet my left testicle there's a lot more PTLE users on PC than there are on Mac.

[elambo]

This isn't restricted to LE, it's also open to HD users, most of which are probably using a Mac?

[Markd102]

Sure.... but there are WAAAAAAAY more LE users than HD.

[soundrick]

wow

That does it.

This changes everything for me.

[SoundEng1]

Is a AU Version in the works?

[Mundox]

Originally Posted by Markd102

You're probably missing out on 60-70% of your potential market right there.

It's a matter of resources at the moment. Nothing against PC users.

[Mundox]

Originally Posted by SoundEng1

Is a AU Version in the works?

I want to stick to Pro Tools. But who knows. thumbsup

[SoundEng1]

Originally Posted by Mundox

I want to stick to Pro Tools. But who knows. thumbsup

Hello Mundox
Think of the wide market you be reaching, Protools Users and Logic

[SFTPH]

Originally Posted by Markd102

You're probably missing out on 60-70% of your potential market right there.

The majority of DAW users are PC users but the majority of PAYING users are on a Mac. Any legit cross platform plugin developer will confirm this statement. I was wondering when a product like this would make it to the market. I had an idea for a real time normalizer that works on the sample level based on given user thresholds, etc. but I am just to damn lazy. I'm Glad some people get it together enough to make ideas come to fruition.

[sashbash]

bring it on, lazy mixing here we come... finally i can just press a button and my stems get mixed...yippee!

[Bruce Keen]

Ride function works great but I haven't been able to succesfully to get the duck function to work properly. I'm running PT8 HD cs2. I'll stick to sonalksis ducker which is very flexible and efficient, but i would love this function to work properly.

The ride function is impressive, and works as advertised. I just have to figure out it's exact latency. It needs some smoothing in trim but gets the dynamics right. I just wish there was a dynamic range target slider, like make this vocal have a 3db range or 7db range depending on program

.

[futur2]

seems like i have to export my tracks to my le system that i only have for compability reasons

[Marmaduke]

When will the $75 introductory pricing end?

And what will the standard price be afterwards?

[Kaneepa]

didn't have any success..

Movements in ride are too slow even at maximum speed..

[Mundox]

Originally Posted by Kaneepa

didn't have any success..

Movements in ride are too slow even at maximum speed..

Don't forget to nudge the automation back by 300ms.

When will the $75 introductory pricing end?

And what will the standard price be afterwards?

Once we establish a user base we might bump the price, but when and what I don't know yet.

Ride function works great but I haven't been able to succesfully to get the duck function to work properly. I'm running PT8 HD cs2. I'll stick to sonalksis ducker which is very flexible and efficient, but i would love this function to work properly.

Duck function is tricky to get used to. Main thing to watch is the PARK level. PARK level is the undipped level of your music track (or whatever) to play at. For instance if you leave the PARK level at say -10, your ducking range should be below that. Ducking range is relative to the output slider position. If output slider is as -18 this means the ducking range slider is referencing 0 on the PT fader, therefore -15 on this slider will go to -15 on the PT slider (when output is -18)

The ride function is impressive, and works as advertised. I just have to figure out it's exact latency. It needs some smoothing in trim but gets the dynamics right. I just wish there was a dynamic range target slider, like make this vocal have a 3db range or 7db range depending on program

It's roughly around 300ms on the systems I have been testing it including LE, HD. But you can adjust that to taste. Ducking works fine realtime, again you might want to slide to taste. As for the dynamics, you can play around with the Silence slider. You could set it high so that it ignores soft levels and attenuates only when the threshold is exceeded, like a standard compressor.

I will try and post some session templates soon. And a page with tips perhaps. thumbsup

Cheers


Vedat

[Benmrx]

Kinda hard to not be curious about this. Downloading demo now. This has been IMO the best and most progressive Musikmesse in a LONG time. It seems like we're starting to see more and more innovative ideas, and less and less of the same ol' same ol'.

Mundox - Do you have any other "utility" type plugs in the works? I don't think it would be too hard, but I would LOVE to see a simple "panning" plug for PT. One that lets you set the pan law, maybe gives you single slider for stereo sources instead of the 2 seperate L and R pans on PT stereo tracks. Maybe have an "auto-pan" function with thresholds, key inputs, square, sine, triangle, etc. LFO's for controlling the "edge" of the panning and a Sync button with half note/quarter note, etc. options if you want to sync the panning with your tempo.

I tried to get Massey into the idea, but IMO he's best left for designing processing plugs, and not the utilities. You may be the perfect guy for something like this.

[Bruce Keen]

Originally Posted by Kaneepa

didn't have any success..

Movements in ride are too slow even at maximum speed..

Not on my system, I could never follow levels that fast by hand.
It works great and for my post pro needs the ride function just plain works.

I need to play a bit more with duck and see how it goes.
I have an 8 mic program that is very dynamic and I'll see how well it works in that context.

On another note I'm wondering if I can put the authorisation on my Ilok dongle since I freelance in quite a few different rooms.

Cheers

[Mundox]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

I tried to get Massey into the idea..

When I was reading your post, this is exactly what I was going to suggest.

Love his stuff.