The CUBASE 5 thread.. pros and cons. stay on topic!

**George Necola** · 8th March 2009, 02:21 PM

ok..there were several threads..

can you guys please list the pros and cons..

NO SOLO/MUTE bug discussion, or assumption that Steinberg sucks and they should all go to hell..

no..

we are just discussing facts from people who have Cubase 5 installed, worked with it and can share 1hand info.

I have Cubase 5 (still ITB lol) and will test it in about 2 weeks.

carma · 8th March 2009, 05:42 PM

okay, cut and paste from another post

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minus:
On my XP box its not as stable as C4 was, but then again, the entire core has been recoded.
I have had a few crashes, every time while loading plugins or engaging the VariAudio function during playback. Only noticed one bug so far, in the midi edit window. the VariAudio edit window is kinda sluggish especially when zoomed far out.

plus:
VariAudio works GREAT, Excellent functionality except noted above, sounds good, easy to work with. Reverence sounds very good.

I like it a lot, it fits my workflow, just like C4 did. My minuses are things that will be fixed in the next one or two patches, im shure

EDIT: Audio engine hasnt been redone, i got i wrong

Hammer Mark · 9th March 2009, 05:42 AM

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HDJK · 9th March 2009, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carma

...
On my XP box its not as stable as C4 was, but then again, the entire core has been recoded.
...

Really? By core you mean the audio engine? I didn't know that.

lematrix · 9th March 2009, 09:50 AM

plus:
- all the new plugins are great to work with
- Vari Audio is a time saver (no more Melodyne errors with changing tempo or the measure of a beat)

minus:
- dont know if its a bug. On my macbook suddenly the option "copy while dragging" (drag a region and hold the alt key) is gone. I have to find out why ;-)
- on mac i had several freezes when i tried to import something from the desktop.

hisbluness · 9th March 2009, 12:35 PM

Everbody posting should include their OS (Mac or XP/Vista) and maybe system specs as well? Would be good information.

trock · 9th March 2009, 02:35 PM

Yeah was wondering what platform you are on george

I used C5 for a bit on my quad core PC which crashed hard a bit ago and now i have it on a new (well old as of last week) Mac pro Octo 2.8, 14 gigs ram, 10.5.6

and C5 runs on it but it is def a little less robust than the PC

dragging windows you get that s

ering drag thing

have had a few crash's on C5 that were weird. i hit PLAY once and then the play and stop button on the transport started flashing back and force and i had to force quit

sometimes when i save a project i go back and its not there, so maybe i am crazy on that one but now i pay SPECIAL attention to make sure the new folder is there and the CPR file

um, def get more spinning wheels when loading say RMX or EZplayer and VST inst than on the PC

i have been dealing with these issues and the switch to mac so much i haven't dug into the new stuff from C5, but i am excited about it

hope that helps some

carma · 9th March 2009, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDJK

Really? By core you mean the audio engine? I didn't know that.

Yes, thats what i mean, didnt know the correct english term :)

Yes, i was told by a steinberg employee that the entire audio engine has been redesigned in order to run 100% in 64 bit on 64 bit systems

EDIT: No it hasnt, i got i wrong

**George Necola** · 9th March 2009, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carma

Yes, thats what i mean, didnt know the correct english term :)

Yes, i was told by a steinberg employee that the entire audio engine has been redesigned in order to run 100% in 64 bit on 64 bit systems

that scares me.. I mean.. not negative.. but I know the sound of cubase.. can someone confirm this information?

carma · 9th March 2009, 11:14 PM

you got me kind of nervous now, i cant find anything about the new audio engine...

Ill ask the guy who told me this to confirm it for you, he is on GS..

trock · 10th March 2009, 02:13 AM

well i have just run into a real doozy here in C5

i record a track thru my POD on audio track 1, input POD, output St L/R, just like normal

i go to track 2, and arm it to record, hit record and THE FIRST TRACKS AUDIO RECORDS ON IT! so i can't record at all after 1 track

deleted pref's, repaired permisiions

all my inputs and outputs are correct

i then tried an RMX midi track, dropped a loop on it and then went to another audio track, set it for my fractal axe, hit record AND MY RMX MIDI track records on it

i cannot reocrd more than one track now

have no idea what this is all about

probably some dumb setting i missed or checked somewhere but i cannot figure this one out at all

matt2525 · 10th March 2009, 02:24 AM

trock are you sure you haven't got the input of your second channel set to one of your group channels or output buses? (A few times I've confused myself when recording a fresh track, then realised the input reads something like "Stereo Out 1" instead of "Stereo In 1")

trock · 10th March 2009, 02:29 AM

Hey Matt

no i have triple checked

my input is to whatever the source is and its correct. the fractal i use is just like a POD and i can see the signal on the input mixer on the correct channel

i set the input to that and its fine, i record it

now i go to another track, arm it, and select input to the POD again and hit record, and bam it records that first track onto this second one

then i tried it with a midi track and rmx and same thing happens

deleted c5 prefs and re set up and same thing

this is CRAZY!

i mean i used C4.5.2 for a longggg time and knwo cubase, and this is totally new, i thought something in c5 was different as a default but i can't find anything anywhere

stag · 10th March 2009, 01:32 PM

Cubase 5 has behaved very well so far.
A few graphic glitches that´s all.

I´m very pleased.

ctms777 · 10th March 2009, 05:38 PM

Trock, check the settings of your POD in its controlpanel, seems as if it's set up for re-amping

carma · 10th March 2009, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Necola

that scares me.. I mean.. not negative.. but I know the sound of cubase.. can someone confirm this information?

No, i got it wrong, its the code "around" the audio engine thats bee redone to take advantage of a 64 bit OS

Terribly sorry about that

HDJK · 10th March 2009, 11:36 PM

Thanks for the update. I hope they got it right, because Nuendo will be based on the same code.

lematrix · 11th March 2009, 12:09 AM

i forgot.....

i also have the graphic glitches on my Mac, when i zoom or scroll the arrange window.
Strange, that i have the same problems with Logic 8

KingDiamond · 11th March 2009, 04:20 AM

I just upgraded from Cubase 3 to Cubase 5 today. The installation was smooth and I'm surprised how much different and updated it is compared to Cubase 3. I'm liking the new version a lot. I don't know if it's just a placebo effect but my mixes sound different too.

ron2812 · 11th March 2009, 10:53 AM

I'm running C5 on a MacPro Quad.

All in all Cubase 5 is a great update. VariAudio is a nice idea and increases the workflow speed a lot.
Don't really need the new plugins like the new drum plugs or the IR verb (since i use a different one and will stick with it) but nice to have, or for people who don't have alternative plugins handy.

Still...Cubase 5 crashes ocasionally. More often than C4 did, especially when working with VariAudio.
I experienced crashes after a certain amount of tracks i'm using VariAudio on.
Crashes everytime i try to add another track and use this function.

And the middle-mousebutton navigation is gone since C4.
In C4 i was able to scroll/move/push the arrangement window by holding the 3rd mousebutton (or pressing the scrollwheel).
Was a great thing to navigate through the project.
I miss that function and i hope they'll bring it back with an update.

Raylai · 11th March 2009, 12:28 PM

Well, it works just like a charm for me here..

i am running C5 in a dual opteron system with tyan board, Windows XP sp3.

The Goods:
Variaudio, which surprise me a lot since i am a melodyne user, sound is good, operate flawlessly .

Loopmash, really cooooool stuff, it eat up your cpu power quick, but it worths.

Beat designer, quite useful, especially work as a "midi plugin", got few "pattern slot" that can store up your pattern, works like BFD.

New VErb, Lovely, way better then other DAW supplier bundled Verb.

The Bads:
VST expression, the big reason i got this update so soon. It ONLY works great in the "DEMO" project, HOWEVER, still never heard anyone who able to use that with different MIDI channel OR different MIDI port/Program .. WTF , Is that a "BUG" or a "TRICK" ?? is just NOT work as it saids ! Just not working at all to be honest

Media Bay, Forget it unless you are a heavy Steniberg products user

Overall, i am impressed with the new features as they really start form the stand point of a composer/music writer, Just please PLEASE release the update sooner for those known BUG ...

smoke · 11th March 2009, 02:52 PM

The deeper you get into actual working hardcore and not carefully treding around, the more chances you'll run into problems with crashing to the desktop.

I have had issues with VST plug-in information rescans, I have had issues with disappearing midi parts, corrupted midi parts, crashing in Groove Agent while importing long loops, some odd behavior with the new plugs.

Overall though, I think it's to be expected that Cubse needs a little user feedback before they roll out the 5.1 update. I think we should wait for that time to really judge whether Cubase can be trusted as a solid stable main DAW.

norbury brook · 11th March 2009, 03:29 PM

Been using it for 2 weeks now no problem, not one crash. I moved to mac about 4 months ago using Cubase 4.5 on OSX 10.5.6 and wasn't that happy with the stability to be honest, and then when I loaded v5 and found it less responsive, I bit the bullit and went back to Xpsp3 and it's been a lot better experience,like i say not one crash since returning to XP.

I miss the extra available memory in OSX but I get round that now with a second machine running FX teleport,but I've got a very stable system back which is more important.

Marcus

p.s. the audio engine hasn't been changed I think you've got confused with going from the Carbon framework to Cocoa which is needed for 64 bit support. It's one of the things that Apple stuffed developers with as a few years ago they told dev's that carbon was their 64 bit frame work so companies like Steinberg( and many others like Adobe for example) went ahead and started developing cubase 64 with Carbon, then after 2 years Apple suddenly anounced 'actually we've changed our minds,you've now got to use Cocoa' so 2 years development instantly down the pan!!!

guitarguy3 · 11th March 2009, 06:59 PM

Running C5 on XP.
Halion 3, Ivory, Halion Sym, Garritan, B4 etc.
UAD Quad and 2 single old PCI cards.
Works well with FX teleport and firewire interfaces.
3 weeks up and no major problems yet.
Love the new IR Verb
New (?) editing cursors are very useful.
The new tuner works much the same as melodyne, but easier.
I will still use autotune for some apps.
The only thing missing is the talent plugin I have asked for.
It would work in VST3, but with my luck it would only erase my vocals!
BTW I have not tried batch export yet, but hope to soon.
Cheers

lematrix · 11th March 2009, 08:06 PM

New Bug on Mac

i had severel times an empty bounce when i exported the mix. Than i had to do it again, and then it works.

DSpec1 · 12th March 2009, 07:01 AM

I am having serious glitches using C5 reverence plugin. Audio drop outs and strange noises for 20 seconds an intermittently throughout the track on which I place it. It's so annoying that I just can't bring myself to use it.

I use a Mac Pro and a MacBook Pro.

Annoying as hell.

DeadPoet · 12th March 2009, 01:10 PM

At what buffer size are you using Reverence? It's a confirmed issue that it has problems processing at low ones.

I've tried C5 remixing older files and I really like it. I have several paid sessions in the next weeks where I'll find out more. C4.1.3 was my previous platform and was extremely stable for me.

Herwig

lematrix · 12th March 2009, 02:52 PM

Another New Bug.

Sometimes when i export a mix, severel Tracks are not included

Then i do it again, and everything is fine. WTF

DSpec1 · 12th March 2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadPoet

At what buffer size are you using Reverence? It's a confirmed issue that it has problems processing at low ones.

I've tried C5 remixing older files and I really like it. I have several paid sessions in the next weeks where I'll find out more. C4.1.3 was my previous platform and was extremely stable for me.

Herwig

I use 256...I too love it, when it works. Problem is, in today's optimized plug in world, a single reverb shouldn't lock up some seriously powerful machines. I jsut wonder if there will be a fix.

m127 · 12th March 2009, 06:15 PM

8th March 2009, 05:42 PM	#2
carma Gear nut Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 80	okay, cut and paste from another post --- minus: On my XP box its not as stable as C4 was, but then again, the entire core has been recoded. I have had a few crashes, every time while loading plugins or engaging the VariAudio function during playback. Only noticed one bug so far, in the midi edit window. the VariAudio edit window is kinda sluggish especially when zoomed far out. plus: VariAudio works GREAT, Excellent functionality except noted above, sounds good, easy to work with. Reverence sounds very good. I like it a lot, it fits my workflow, just like C4 did. My minuses are things that will be fixed in the next one or two patches, im shure EDIT: Audio engine hasnt been redone, i got i wrong __________________ HTML Code: http://www.myspace.com/carmastudios

9th March 2009, 05:42 AM	#3
Hammer Mark Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hamilton, Canada Posts: 720	----- __________________ www.myspace.com/hammersmithsongs FS: PCM42, PCM41, SDD-2000, e609 Last edited by George Necola; 9th March 2009 at 09:33 AM.. Reason: read the thread-rules.. only Cubase 5 topics..

9th March 2009, 09:50 AM	#5
lematrix Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin/Germany Posts: 314	plus: - all the new plugins are great to work with - Vari Audio is a time saver (no more Melodyne errors with changing tempo or the measure of a beat) minus: - dont know if its a bug. On my macbook suddenly the option "copy while dragging" (drag a region and hold the alt key) is gone. I have to find out why ;-) - on mac i had several freezes when i tried to import something from the desktop. __________________ Mathias Roska, www.lematrix.de

9th March 2009, 02:35 PM	#7
trock Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,121	Yeah was wondering what platform you are on george I used C5 for a bit on my quad core PC which crashed hard a bit ago and now i have it on a new (well old as of last week) Mac pro Octo 2.8, 14 gigs ram, 10.5.6 and C5 runs on it but it is def a little less robust than the PC dragging windows you get that sering drag thing have had a few crash's on C5 that were weird. i hit PLAY once and then the play and stop button on the transport started flashing back and force and i had to force quit sometimes when i save a project i go back and its not there, so maybe i am crazy on that one but now i pay SPECIAL attention to make sure the new folder is there and the CPR file um, def get more spinning wheels when loading say RMX or EZplayer and VST inst than on the PC i have been dealing with these issues and the switch to mac so much i haven't dug into the new stuff from C5, but i am excited about it hope that helps some __________________ www.timmallick.com

9th March 2009, 11:14 PM	#10
carma Gear nut Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 80	you got me kind of nervous now, i cant find anything about the new audio engine... Ill ask the guy who told me this to confirm it for you, he is on GS.. __________________ HTML Code: http://www.myspace.com/carmastudios

9th March 2009, 12:35 PM	#6
hisbluness Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 160	Everbody posting should include their OS (Mac or XP/Vista) and maybe system specs as well? Would be good information.

10th March 2009, 02:13 AM	#11
trock Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,121	well i have just run into a real doozy here in C5 i record a track thru my POD on audio track 1, input POD, output St L/R, just like normal i go to track 2, and arm it to record, hit record and THE FIRST TRACKS AUDIO RECORDS ON IT! so i can't record at all after 1 track deleted pref's, repaired permisiions all my inputs and outputs are correct i then tried an RMX midi track, dropped a loop on it and then went to another audio track, set it for my fractal axe, hit record AND MY RMX MIDI track records on it i cannot reocrd more than one track now have no idea what this is all about probably some dumb setting i missed or checked somewhere but i cannot figure this one out at all __________________ www.timmallick.com

10th March 2009, 02:24 AM	#12
matt2525 Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 171	trock are you sure you haven't got the input of your second channel set to one of your group channels or output buses? (A few times I've confused myself when recording a fresh track, then realised the input reads something like "Stereo Out 1" instead of "Stereo In 1")

10th March 2009, 02:29 AM	#13
trock Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,121	Hey Matt no i have triple checked my input is to whatever the source is and its correct. the fractal i use is just like a POD and i can see the signal on the input mixer on the correct channel i set the input to that and its fine, i record it now i go to another track, arm it, and select input to the POD again and hit record, and bam it records that first track onto this second one then i tried it with a midi track and rmx and same thing happens deleted c5 prefs and re set up and same thing this is CRAZY! i mean i used C4.5.2 for a longggg time and knwo cubase, and this is totally new, i thought something in c5 was different as a default but i can't find anything anywhere __________________ www.timmallick.com

10th March 2009, 01:32 PM	#14
stag Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Over myself Posts: 877	Cubase 5 has behaved very well so far. A few graphic glitches that´s all. I´m very pleased. __________________

10th March 2009, 05:38 PM	#15
ctms777 Gear maniac Join Date: May 2005 Location: Maastricht Posts: 230	Trock, check the settings of your POD in its controlpanel, seems as if it's set up for re-amping

10th March 2009, 11:36 PM	#17
HDJK Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Winterthur, Switzerland Posts: 130	Thanks for the update. I hope they got it right, because Nuendo will be based on the same code.

11th March 2009, 12:09 AM	#18
lematrix Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin/Germany Posts: 314	i forgot..... i also have the graphic glitches on my Mac, when i zoom or scroll the arrange window. Strange, that i have the same problems with Logic 8 __________________ Mathias Roska, www.lematrix.de

11th March 2009, 04:20 AM	#19
KingDiamond Gear maniac Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 278	I just upgraded from Cubase 3 to Cubase 5 today. The installation was smooth and I'm surprised how much different and updated it is compared to Cubase 3. I'm liking the new version a lot. I don't know if it's just a placebo effect but my mixes sound different too.

11th March 2009, 10:53 AM	#20
ron2812 Gear Head Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Austria Posts: 47	I'm running C5 on a MacPro Quad. All in all Cubase 5 is a great update. VariAudio is a nice idea and increases the workflow speed a lot. Don't really need the new plugins like the new drum plugs or the IR verb (since i use a different one and will stick with it) but nice to have, or for people who don't have alternative plugins handy. Still...Cubase 5 crashes ocasionally. More often than C4 did, especially when working with VariAudio. I experienced crashes after a certain amount of tracks i'm using VariAudio on. Crashes everytime i try to add another track and use this function. And the middle-mousebutton navigation is gone since C4. In C4 i was able to scroll/move/push the arrangement window by holding the 3rd mousebutton (or pressing the scrollwheel). Was a great thing to navigate through the project. I miss that function and i hope they'll bring it back with an update.

11th March 2009, 12:28 PM	#21
Raylai Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 29	Well, it works just like a charm for me here.. i am running C5 in a dual opteron system with tyan board, Windows XP sp3. The Goods: Variaudio, which surprise me a lot since i am a melodyne user, sound is good, operate flawlessly . Loopmash, really cooooool stuff, it eat up your cpu power quick, but it worths. Beat designer, quite useful, especially work as a "midi plugin", got few "pattern slot" that can store up your pattern, works like BFD. New VErb, Lovely, way better then other DAW supplier bundled Verb. The Bads: VST expression, the big reason i got this update so soon. It ONLY works great in the "DEMO" project, HOWEVER, still never heard anyone who able to use that with different MIDI channel OR different MIDI port/Program .. WTF , Is that a "BUG" or a "TRICK" ?? is just NOT work as it saids ! Just not working at all to be honest Media Bay, Forget it unless you are a heavy Steniberg products user Overall, i am impressed with the new features as they really start form the stand point of a composer/music writer, Just please PLEASE release the update sooner for those known BUG ...

11th March 2009, 02:52 PM	#22
smoke Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 1,121	The deeper you get into actual working hardcore and not carefully treding around, the more chances you'll run into problems with crashing to the desktop. I have had issues with VST plug-in information rescans, I have had issues with disappearing midi parts, corrupted midi parts, crashing in Groove Agent while importing long loops, some odd behavior with the new plugs. Overall though, I think it's to be expected that Cubse needs a little user feedback before they roll out the 5.1 update. I think we should wait for that time to really judge whether Cubase can be trusted as a solid stable main DAW.

11th March 2009, 03:29 PM	#23
norbury brook Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 236	Been using it for 2 weeks now no problem, not one crash. I moved to mac about 4 months ago using Cubase 4.5 on OSX 10.5.6 and wasn't that happy with the stability to be honest, and then when I loaded v5 and found it less responsive, I bit the bullit and went back to Xpsp3 and it's been a lot better experience,like i say not one crash since returning to XP. I miss the extra available memory in OSX but I get round that now with a second machine running FX teleport,but I've got a very stable system back which is more important. Marcus p.s. the audio engine hasn't been changed I think you've got confused with going from the Carbon framework to Cocoa which is needed for 64 bit support. It's one of the things that Apple stuffed developers with as a few years ago they told dev's that carbon was their 64 bit frame work so companies like Steinberg( and many others like Adobe for example) went ahead and started developing cubase 64 with Carbon, then after 2 years Apple suddenly anounced 'actually we've changed our minds,you've now got to use Cocoa' so 2 years development instantly down the pan!!!

11th March 2009, 06:59 PM	#24
guitarguy3 Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 8	Running C5 on XP. Halion 3, Ivory, Halion Sym, Garritan, B4 etc. UAD Quad and 2 single old PCI cards. Works well with FX teleport and firewire interfaces. 3 weeks up and no major problems yet. Love the new IR Verb New (?) editing cursors are very useful. The new tuner works much the same as melodyne, but easier. I will still use autotune for some apps. The only thing missing is the talent plugin I have asked for. It would work in VST3, but with my luck it would only erase my vocals! BTW I have not tried batch export yet, but hope to soon. Cheers

11th March 2009, 08:06 PM	#25
lematrix Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin/Germany Posts: 314	New Bug on Mac i had severel times an empty bounce when i exported the mix. Than i had to do it again, and then it works. __________________ Mathias Roska, www.lematrix.de

12th March 2009, 07:01 AM	#26
DSpec1 Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 288	REVerence a problem I am having serious glitches using C5 reverence plugin. Audio drop outs and strange noises for 20 seconds an intermittently throughout the track on which I place it. It's so annoying that I just can't bring myself to use it. I use a Mac Pro and a MacBook Pro. Annoying as hell.

12th March 2009, 01:10 PM	#27
DeadPoet Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,126	At what buffer size are you using Reverence? It's a confirmed issue that it has problems processing at low ones. I've tried C5 remixing older files and I really like it. I have several paid sessions in the next weeks where I'll find out more. C4.1.3 was my previous platform and was extremely stable for me. Herwig __________________ studio.gyraf.be

12th March 2009, 02:52 PM	#28
lematrix Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin/Germany Posts: 314	Another New Bug. Sometimes when i export a mix, severel Tracks are not included Then i do it again, and everything is fine. WTF __________________ Mathias Roska, www.lematrix.de

12th March 2009, 06:15 PM	#30
m127 Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: México Posts: 1,058	Cubase.net .:::. View topic - [BUG] Closing export audio window will kill C5 Cubase.net .:::. View topic - BUG - Cut tool does not work on folders when alt clicking.. Cubase.net .:::. View topic - [BUG] Time Stretch with MPEX4 issue Cubase.net .:::. View topic - Screen re-draw bug (tiny!) Cubase.net .:::. View topic - Old score bug?? Cubase.net .:::. View topic - Dissolve part bug? Cubase.net .:::. View topic - [BUG] Ext FX window 'always on top' - still not fixed Cubase.net .:::. View topic - [BUG - Confirmed] VST Expression + Retrospective Record Cubase.net .:::. View topic - [bug] can't edit "control name" of generic remot Cubase.net .:::. View topic - "missing presets" possible bug (workaround inside) Cubase.net .:::. View topic - Latency in REVerence VST (BUG?) __________________ Actively challenge the wrong policies in the sw/audio industry. Actively support the fair policies in the sw/audio industry. Be a proactive gearslut!! Write to them. Express your thoughts. Be honest!

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