25th March 2009
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#91 | | Gear Head
Joined: Jan 2007 Location: FRANCE
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On a G5 2X2 ghz/ 5.5 go RAM/ MAC OS 10.4.10, I can run up to:
- 6/7 tracks, smooth
- 10 tracks, full in red
- At 11 tracks, it stops and I get the overload message
My G5 was perfect for mixes in Protools with up to 35 tracks with lots of plugs....
But now I want a big Logic 8 soft synth sound module (with tons of polyphony) with my mpc... guess these new macpros will do the trick...
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27th March 2009
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#92 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto
Posts: 249
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21 tracks @ 256
24 tracks if I unmute the additional tracks above 21 while playing
Macbook Pro Unibody 2.8 w/ 4GB ram
L8 5.0.2
10.5.6
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28th March 2009
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#93 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,182
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There must be more happy MacPro Nehalem owners out there who can do this test?
Test both with Hyperthreading enable and disabled.
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28th March 2009
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#94 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden
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This is what happens for me on a brand new Mac Pro 2x2.26ghz 8 core 
Cubase 4.5.2, which is not even recommended by Steinberg to use with the new Mac Pro's works just fine.
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28th March 2009
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#95 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Japan
Posts: 653
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Originally Posted by gardinen  This is what happens for me on a brand new Mac Pro 2x2.26ghz 8 core
Cubase 4.5.2, which is not even recommended by Steinberg to use with the new Mac Pro's works just fine. | Did you turn off HyperThreading?
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28th March 2009
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#96 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden
Posts: 107
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Originally Posted by YUGA Did you turn off HyperThreading? | Haven't done any mods or tweak to the system.
This was done with 16 instances of multipressor on about five tracks in monitoring mode with 1024 buffering.
I did a similar test with 16 instances of multipressor on multiple tracks but in playback. And Logic only uses 7 out of 8 cores, and none of the virtual cores.... as it seems.
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29th March 2009
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#97 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Paris, Amsterdam, London
Posts: 2,079
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Originally Posted by gardinen This is what happens for me on a brand new Mac Pro 2x2.26ghz 8 core
Cubase 4.5.2, which is not even recommended by Steinberg to use with the new Mac Pro's works just fine. | One of the reason's i never ever buy hardware or software thats in his "child/beta" status. I bought about 6months later the mac pro 3ghz 8-core after being sure that logic and my soundcards work fine with it.
You are just now a sitting duck waiting for snow leopard and a update for logic / cubase and not even sure when it comes out....
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29th March 2009
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#98 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden
Posts: 107
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Originally Posted by LeMauce One of the reason's i never ever buy hardware or software thats in his "child/beta" status. I bought about 6months later the mac pro 3ghz 8-core after being sure that logic and my soundcards work fine with it.
You are just now a sitting duck waiting for snow leopard and a update for logic / cubase and not even sure when it comes out.... | Well I'm not so sure about the sitting duck thing, since we don't use Logic Pro as our primary DAW.  We use Cubase 4.5.2 as the main software here, and in our needs, it works just fine. And we did manage to survive with a five year old computer before the upgrade, so any type of newer computer would be just fine.
I think that, at the time when we need the full power of the Mac Pro, both Cubase, Logic and OSX 10.6 will be fully optimized with our new hardware.
It's a shame that we can't use the computer to its fullest potential, sure. But I'm just glad that we give the old PC a rest.  | |
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29th March 2009
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#99 | | Gear Head
Joined: Jan 2007 Location: FRANCE
Posts: 59
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Originally Posted by gardinen This is what happens for me on a brand new Mac Pro 2x2.26ghz 8 core
Cubase 4.5.2, which is not even recommended by Steinberg to use with the new Mac Pro's works just fine. | Well, this is frightening, because I get even better performance here with a G5 2*2 ghz, doing the same test you did...
As said earlier, we really need to know whether or not turning the hyperthreading to "off" can solve this issue with Logic...
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29th March 2009
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#100 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden
Posts: 107
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Originally Posted by Noritaka Well, this is frightening, because I get even better performance here with a G5 2*2 ghz, doing the same test you did...
As said earlier, we really need to know whether or not turning the hyperthreading to "off" can solve this issue with Logic...
Gardinen, if sometimes you got some little time to spare for us... | How do you turn off hyperthreading?
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29th March 2009
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#101 | | Gear Head
Joined: Jan 2007 Location: FRANCE
Posts: 59
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Originally Posted by YUGA How to Turn OFF Hyperthreading
I came across this Japanese article showing how to turn off hyperthreading.
I thought it may be useful info for Nehalem Mac Pro users whose DAW has not supported HT yet.
Here's the procedure.
1) Install Xcode included in your OSX Leopard disk.
2) Go to Developer -> Extras -> PreferencePanes on your HDD
3) Double-click Processor.prefPane, this will install an app called Processor.
4) Launch System Preference and you'll find this Processor.
You can turn off Hyperthreading using this.
But I've never tried myself as I'm using the previous gen MP
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31st March 2009
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#102 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2003 Location: london
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Ok, on my mates Macbook Pro laptop:
2.83 Intel core 2 Duo 4GB RAM ddr3 10.5.6 L8
20 tracks ...at 512 and 256 but its way over the red ...
Need to check my Mac Pro 3.2 10GB RAM at the studio later ...
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31st March 2009
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#103 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,182
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Originally Posted by mac black Ok, on my mates Macbook Pro laptop:
2.83 Intel core 2 Duo 4GB RAM ddr3 10.5.6 L8
20 tracks ...at 512 and 256 but its way over the red ...
Need to check my Mac Pro 3.2 10GB RAM at the studio later ... | The result seems too low, dont look at the CPU meters, run the test until Logic stops with an overload message....
You have to stop and play a couple of times to reach the best result, and when Logic is playing the loop 7-8 rounds without stopping, you have your result.
In your case around 25 tracks should be normal.
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31st March 2009
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#104 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Holland
Posts: 436
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Mac Pro 2x 2,66 Ghz Xeon
7GB RAM 667 Mhz ddr2
27 tracks maximum
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31st March 2009
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#105 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,182
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Intel announced the MacPro CPU:s today as seperate items. Newegg.com - Intel,Processors - Servers,Nehalem,
As we can see, the new MacPro lineup is kind of overpriced.
Two quad 2.26 will cost you $760 US and Apple is charging you $3299 US for the entry dual model, so really expensive mainboard,powersupply and chassi.
When the early 2008 MacPro´s came it was impossible to build your own macPro cheaper buying your own parts. Today it will be a lot cheaper to build your own.
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1st April 2009
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#106 | | Gear addict
Joined: Aug 2005 Location: Nashville
Posts: 384
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MacBook Pro Core2Duo 2.16 w/4GB RAM. 11 tracks for sure. 12 would give occasional errors.
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1st April 2009
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#107 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2006 Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora La Reina de Los Angeles de Porciuncula
Posts: 3,801
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dunno if iam doing the test right but my new 2009 octo 2.66 with 16 gig of ram is crapping out at 64 tracks and only half the bars fill up.
so i unmuted every track until i get to 64 and get the overload mesage.
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1st April 2009
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#108 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,182
Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by gsilbers dunno if iam doing the test right but my new 2009 octo 2.66 with 16 gig of ram is crapping out at 64 tracks and only half the bars fill up.
so i unmuted every track until i get to 64 and get the overload mesage. | It seems ok. I´ve got reports from two dual 2.26 owners who both scored 54 tracks, one user with a dual 2.66 machine scoring 58 tracks and now your result at 64 tracks.
All users say only activity on 8 or 7 CPU meters, so it seems that Logic 8.0.2 is not optimized for the new Nehalems yet. I guess your dual 2.66 MacPro should score around 85 tracks when fully optimized.
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1st April 2009
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#109 | | Gear interested
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 29
| 30 tracks on an EFI-X Mac.
Buffer Sice - 32 with Digi003
Core2Duo E8500 @ 4GHz
4GB DDR2-800
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1st April 2009
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#110 | | Gear Head
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 38
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Originally Posted by gsilbers dunno if iam doing the test right but my new 2009 octo 2.66 with 16 gig of ram is crapping out at 64 tracks and only half the bars fill up. | Please try to turn off hyperthreading in XCode and redone test.
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1st April 2009
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#111 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Belgrade
Posts: 40
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Mac Pro,Early 2008,2.8 Octo w/10GB of RAM doing 70 tracks here with apogee duet @ 256 latency...
At higher latency settings it actually seems to be worse...65 tracks at 512 and 58 @ 1024...how's that possible ??? 
By the way,DP6 with the latest update is at least 30% more efficient when it comes to CPU usage than Logic 8,I'm doing some tests right now,and I'm amazed with results...will post details soon...It seems to me like Apple really overlooked what the competition was doing,which is a big shame,becouse they make the f*****g macs and OS's...Logic needs a big and serious update...8.02's been out for about a year,now...c'mon a year without update,an it's still full of bugs...not to mention the 4GB memory limit for everything else except exs...(what am I supposed to do with those large Kontakt libraries that I have?),my friends Q6600 PC with Cubase 4.5 and 8 Gigs of ram outperforms my shiny 2.8 octo with 10 GB when it comes to Kontakts and Mach Fives...on a freaking Vista... Leopard was supposedly 64 bit when they were about to release it,and then,all of a sudden,it was not fully 64 bit...I wonder what will happen with Snow Leopard...probably almost 64 bit,but not quite there yet...
We shall see...
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1st April 2009
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#112 | | Gear addict
Joined: Oct 2007 Location: Madrid
Posts: 375
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Originally Posted by Mafiso Assuming you could get exact retail value when you resell your 2.26's(which would be very difficult considering you have no packaging, and they will probably be covered in thermal glue) you would still only save $200 if you bought the 2.66's. You could potentially save $400 if you bought the 2.93's...but you wouldn't...because you can't re sell your old processors for retail.
Doesn't really seem worth it. Have apple do it, and have it work...or if it doesn't(just in case your cynical)...you'll at least still have your warranty. | I didnt say I ws going to do it right now when the Xeon where just announced yesterday. I'll wait till next year for new mac pros or for intel to release new server procesesor and the nelaham lower in price. $1400 for 1 procesor is not something I'm thinking of paying. If it was for both then yes...
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1st April 2009
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#113 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2006 Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora La Reina de Los Angeles de Porciuncula
Posts: 3,801
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Originally Posted by Firechild It seems ok. I´ve got reports from two dual 2.26 owners who both scored 54 tracks, one user with a dual 2.66 machine scoring 58 tracks and now your result at 64 tracks.
All users say only activity on 8 or 7 CPU meters, so it seems that Logic 8.0.2 is not optimized for the new Nehalems yet. I guess your dual 2.66 MacPro should score around 85 tracks when fully optimized. |
i would wanna se the 2.9 model and how they scored.. anyone?????
ill try w/o hyperthreading and see.. should it be better and whoudl i keep it off?
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2nd April 2009
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#114 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2003 Location: london
Posts: 2,803
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Originally Posted by trancekid funny, mac pro 8core 3.2 with 6gb ram, i can only run 57 tracks.
i'm on 10.5.6 with logic 8.0.2
no matter if i use tha motu pci-e driver or apples built in audio.
are you guys getting better results using any specific safety buffer settings or so?
my i/o safety buffer is off
don't know how the other one above the rewire setting is called in english, but mine is set to "small".
--- | Same here !
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2nd April 2009
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#115 | | Gear Head
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 38
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Originally Posted by gsilbers ill try w/o hyperthreading and see.. should it be better and whoudl i keep it off? | Yes, It have to work better without ht because of Logic now can't support 16 cores. HT = off eliminates using of virtual cores.
Of course ht can to improve multicore performance when Logic will be able to support all 16 cores.
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7th April 2009
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#116 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,182
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The new single Quad Nehalem MacPro 2.66 scores 51 tracks ( ! ) showing the true power of the new processors !
So the problem is not actually the Hyperthreading but the fact that Logic can´t handle more than 8 cores at the moment, real or virtual doesn´t matter.
And disabling HT will give worse results.
Let´s wait for 8.0.3 and we will soon see results over 100 tracks!
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7th April 2009
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#117 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 271
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Originally Posted by kamil.k Macbook Pro 2.4, 4ram
with onboard audio: 25 tracks
with my Novation Xio interface I only had 1 (ONE) track running without overload!
Does it mean the driver sucks ??? | I just got 18 with my MacBook Pro 2.4 4 gb ram with onboard soundcard???
and buffer to 256?????
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7th April 2009
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#118 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 188
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18 tracks on a White Macbook 2.4, 2 gigas ram.
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8th April 2009
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#119 | | Gear Head
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 38
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Originally Posted by Firechild The new single Quad Nehalem MacPro 2.66 scores 51 tracks ( ! ) showing the true power of the new processors ! | Well, can we expect that 8x2.26 will be faster than 8x2.8 in Logic? I have to make my choise tomorrow and order one - prices are almost equal for me.
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8th April 2009
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#120 | | Gear addict
Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Germany
Posts: 356
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Originally Posted by blinkfrog Well, can we expect that 8x2.26 will be faster than 8x2.8 in Logic? I have to make my choise tomorrow and order one - prices are almost equal for me. | According to this benchmark test an 8x2.8 (70 tracks) seems to be even faster than an 8x3.2(57 tracks)... 
So who shall answer your question based on what ?
I have an 8x2,26 running Cubase so I can't..  .
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