2 Logic Rigs and a console via MTC/LTC?

[Beastie]

Right here is the setup...

1 Console.... reading MTC

Logic Rig 1 - for audio recording and mixing

Logic Rig 2 - Writing rig - Plugs ins/software inst and external midi seq....

1 - how can i set this up - so i can press play and stop from any of the three... and they all play and stop if they are online....?

2 - is it possible to send LTC out of a big ben and to a rosendhal MIF or similar and then use that as master mtc?

THANK YOU

peace

[Beastie]

B U M P !

[Beastie]

Could i use midi over lan with the 2 mac's?

one is macpro and one is g5....


cheers?

[psycho_monkey]

EDIT - ignore what I wrote below - missed the big "console following MTC" comment". But I'm going to leave it in anyway, because it's useful to anyone wanting to run SMPTE with a console and logic.

Anyway, Bigben/master audio clock don't have anything to do with positional sync, just sample sync. You're going to have to designate one the master, and the other the slaves. I don't think it's possible to have Logic both generating MTC and receiving it for playback. I wouldn't even bother trying it.



The off-topic bit:

I think it's fairly unlikely that you can press play/stop from any one, and the others all follow.

One will have to be the master, and the others slave. Even SSLs/Neves with full PT rigs have to work this way.

Logic's a Pain to work with TC, unless you have a unitor (the usual discontinue something good) or possibly a MOTU midi timepiece.

If you have something that will generate TC (eg the Sync i/o, even though logic doesn't use it) you can use it to record TC (as audio) into your sequencer. This master sequencer can then output TC, which the desk can slave to, and output midi TC to slave the second rig to.

Alternatively, if you want the desk as master you need a unitor, MIDI timepiece or similar to convert smpte to midi, and slave both rigs to this.

Does that make sense? PM me if you want a bit more detail....

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

EDIT - ignore what I wrote below - missed the big "console following MTC" comment". But I'm going to leave it in anyway, because it's useful to anyone wanting to run SMPTE with a console and logic.

Anyway, Bigben/master audio clock don't have anything to do with positional sync, just sample sync. You're going to have to designate one the master, and the other the slaves. I don't think it's possible to have Logic both generating MTC and receiving it for playback. I wouldn't even bother trying it.



The off-topic bit:

I think it's fairly unlikely that you can press play/stop from any one, and the others all follow.

One will have to be the master, and the others slave. Even SSLs/Neves with full PT rigs have to work this way.

Logic's a Pain to work with TC, unless you have a unitor (the usual discontinue something good) or possibly a MOTU midi timepiece.

If you have something that will generate TC (eg the Sync i/o, even though logic doesn't use it) you can use it to record TC (as audio) into your sequencer. This master sequencer can then output TC, which the desk can slave to, and output midi TC to slave the second rig to.

Alternatively, if you want the desk as master you need a unitor, MIDI timepiece or similar to convert smpte to midi, and slave both rigs to this.

Does that make sense? PM me if you want a bit more detail....

HEY MAN!

THANK FOR RESPONDING!

So can either logic rig be master as and when they need to be?

desk can slave - thats kool!

one is producer writing rig - one is engineer/mixing recordng rig...

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Beastie

HEY MAN!

THANK FOR RESPONDING!

So can either logic rig be master as and when they need to be?

desk can slave - thats kool!

one is producer writing rig - one is engineer/mixing recordng rig...

yep logic can definitely be master or slave..you just need to make sure one is outputting TC, and one looking for it.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

yep logic can definitely be master or slave..you just need to make sure one is outputting TC, and one looking for it.

so just midi sending and receiving from both and then one in turn sending to console?

i have 2 MOTU midi expresses... thats kool right?

IM TALKING MTC here not smpte....

or maybe midi over lan?

peace

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Beastie

so just midi sending and receiving from both and then one in turn sending to console?

i have 2 MOTU midi expresses... thats kool right?

IM TALKING MTC here not smpte....

or maybe midi over lan?

peace

one rig (probably your engineer rig) as master - spewing out MTC - then the desk and the other rig need to lock to that.

midi over lan - no idea bout that, can't think it'll be any tighter than regular midi.

[Roc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by Beastie

so just midi sending and receiving from both and then one in turn sending to console?

i have 2 MOTU midi expresses... thats kool right?

IM TALKING MTC here not smpte....

or maybe midi over lan?

peace

You need a Universal Slave Driver on Both Systems I think; and as Psycho Monkey pointed towards; the Unitor 8 is really the only one that works correctly with Logic, as it supports the AMT drivers [which are tighter and more solid with Logic than anything else]. I would think you can easily lock these machines together with Midi Machine control, along with MTC. I think you would make your console the Master MMC unit; which can control all your sequencers in concert via its MIDI out [or the other way around]. Short of being in front of the system and the way its working; I'm afraid I can't be of any real help here.

[undertone]

I use MIDIoverLAN on a gigabit LAN to sync a Nuendo rig (master) with a Logic rig (slave) via MTC and it's been solid (I reserve a port strictly for the MTC). There is an inherent offset between the two that has to be adjusted so the metronomes line up, but the sync seems tight after that and the audio hardware is locked to the same clock. I use a Mackie Control on the Nuendo rig as master transport controller and that eliminates any control confusion (the master is the only one that can control transport). If you don't have a "quiet" LAN, then using hardware MIDI is a better option and anyway, you wouldn't be able to supply MTC to your console unless you physically connected MIDI to it.

BTW: if you have the same licence on both machines and they're both connected to the same network, your second instance of Logic 8 won't run! I was surprised by this when I tried to run Logic on both my Macbook and my Pro. You can use one instance at a time or you need a second license. I didn't try to see if this was true running Logic 8 alongside Logic 7 though.

[Musiclab]

I often use logic to output tc to my automation system. The midi interface I use is a Motu MTP AV. You set the MTP to internal sync and you set logic to mmc mode hit play viola tc to the automation system. You don't need no steenkin universal slave driver.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Roc Mixwell

You need a Universal Slave Driver on Both Systems I think; and as Psycho Monkey pointed towards; the Unitor 8 is really the only one that works correctly with Logic, as it supports the AMT drivers [which are tighter and more solid with Logic than anything else]. I would think you can easily lock these machines together with Midi Machine control, along with MTC. I think you would make your console the Master MMC unit; which can control all your sequencers in concert via its MIDI out [or the other way around]. Short of being in front of the system and the way its working; I'm afraid I can't be of any real help here.

As in digidesign SYNC HD?

are you sure this is necessary - can you just setup MTC and run in an out of all ..?

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Musiclab

I often use logic to output tc to my automation system. The midi interface I use is a Motu MTP AV. You set the MTP to internal sync and you set logic to mmc mode hit play viola tc to the automation system. You don't need no steenkin universal slave driver.

So you guys are saying MTP AV or UNITOR or AMT8? x2 one for each system?

or i need a sync hd which is another grand!!!

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Beastie

As in digidesign SYNC HD?

are you sure this is necessary - can you just setup MTC and run in an out of all ..?

no you don't need a Sync i/o - Roc was using the term universal slave driver as a general term for the midi interface controlling the other computers. Best way would be to track down a couple of 2nd hand interfaces of the type suggested, and the emagic ones would provide the tightest sync.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

no you don't need a Sync i/o - Roc was using the term universal slave driver as a general term for the midi interface controlling the other computers. Best way would be to track down a couple of 2nd hand interfaces of the type suggested, and the emagic ones would provide the tightest sync.

ok this makes sense - thanks - or though another option has entered the arena...

The Goal - To be able to operate logic from 2 stations and play live midi when required over the top - and also record said midi required?

how could i set this up?

would this be easier?

it sounds it?

CHEERS!

[Hrider]

Anyone know how i can sync two logic rigs with an mtp?

H......

[Roc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by Hrider

Anyone know how i can sync two logic rigs with an mtp?

H......

Do you have, TWO MTP's or two MIDI interfaces? I gotta tell ya, syncing two DAW's does not work accurately. I've done it with some success, but its very complicated and in many times, and in many sessions, there are other ways to accomplish the goals at hand without the need for DAW lockjaw. You can easily use MIDI [MTC] to lock the two machines, all you need is a second simple USB MIDI interface.

[gsilbers]

you cant use 2 logics with the same serial number if they are network connected.

for mtc (if u have 2 serial numbers) you can go midi over lan. easy with the slave is pro tools or ableton live.. but i couldnt figure it out with logic. itss problably in the manual. i gave up.

as for midi. midi overlan works great.

youll have to cable each midi port individually in the environment in the slave machine.
not hard just cumbersome.

but the idea is great caus you can use exs24 which is awsome now that it uses virtualization feature whivh lets u use more than 4 gigs of ram outsode logic.
as well as the plugins.


you might also want to consider a program called plague bidule.

if you have a multicore machine using bidule in rewire is a good option. but thats if
you like youll AU and not want only logic plugs.

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by Beastie

Could i use midi over lan with the 2 mac's?

one is macpro and one is g5....


cheers?

same rig i have

but my g5 mac sounds like an airplane.

so i m just using everything in the new mac pro 09. i have about 90 tracks of samples loaded for my orchestrral template and none in logic. all in bidule and vienna ensemble. also using kontalt 3.5

there is a video that shows this type of setup. google: DP+bidule+trmplate
its setup for DP but same concept for logic.

you might also want to look at junkie xl's setup which uses pro tools as master and logic as slave .

and you might wanna check a forum : Welcome to the VI Control Forum! Musicians helping Musicians! which deals more this those things. but dont ask about gear

[space2012]

Originally Posted by Beastie

Right here is the setup...

1 Console.... reading MTC

Logic Rig 1 - for audio recording and mixing

Logic Rig 2 - Writing rig - Plugs ins/software inst and external midi seq....

1 - how can i set this up - so i can press play and stop from any of the three... and they all play and stop if they are online....?

2 - is it possible to send LTC out of a big ben and to a rosendhal MIF or similar and then use that as master mtc?

THANK YOU

peace

if you dont need to sync analog machines, theres no need for LTC/SMPTE.
just a Master Clock with silver cables, or OFC 99.997% + Clean & Stable AC power.
for all soundcards and digital consoles,
+ verry good MIDI TIME CODE, MIDI MACHINE CONTROL, MTC MMC Master controller generator.
+ low jitter & low latency Midi interfaces.
...
i have a Drawmer M-Clock, love it with clean AC power and good cables, sounds amazing, but...
get a clock with atomic input like teac esoteric or antelope ocx, if you want to upgrade some day to atomic.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/4225719-post9.html
*the best midi interface search... can you help?

[space2012]

Originally Posted by Beastie

or maybe midi over lan?

maybe...
Nerds.de audio & midi - ipMIDI - LoopBe1 - LoopBe30
maybe
jack could work.