SX3 / Nuendo 3 hardware inserts???

Hiwatt · 11th June 2005

Question for you guys using SX3/Nuendo3 regarding the new hardware inserts feature...

If you were to send a track via aes to a digital outboard fx unit and then back into SX/Nuendo (via aes)would there be any latency? Would you need to use the new feature? Or is this feature aimed soley at analog outboard processing?

RichT · 11th June 2005

Hi Hi-watt,

You'll have to use the External FX plugin in SX3/ Nuendo 3 and then the latency is compensated for.

You can set up the routing in the Connections dialog box.

Cheers,
Rich

redroom · 11th June 2005

The external Fx feature works with digital as well as it enables you to ping devices thus it calculates the round trip of the signal for you and compensates accordingly.

robdarling · 12th June 2005

It depends on the effect you are using. Going in and out of your computer audio i/o hardware adds latency according to your buffer size. Your average reverb setting wouldn't probably suffer much from this, it would just be adding a predelay of whatever your roundtrip buffer is.

But, if you're doing short delay effects- flanging and phasing- or pitch shift w/short delay type stuff- then it's essential to be able to keep the time nice and tight. I love it. It's completely changed my way of working to have all my outboard processing fully integrated to the itb mixer.

bobby yarrow · 12th June 2005

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Originally Posted by robdarling

It depends on the effect you are using. Going in and out of your computer audio i/o hardware adds latency according to your buffer size. Your average reverb setting wouldn't probably suffer much from this, it would just be adding a predelay of whatever your roundtrip buffer is.

But, if you're doing short delay effects- flanging and phasing- or pitch shift w/short delay type stuff- then it's essential to be able to keep the time nice and tight. I love it. It's completely changed my way of working to have all my outboard processing fully integrated to the itb mixer.

Do you print the effects constantly, or do you have enough spare i/o that you can keep them as just inserts or sends working in your mix?

Bas · 12th June 2005

It depends on where the external effect is paced.
Like on a full hardware setup, if I have an insert on a desk and use that for compression, I need to print that if I want to use the compressor on another channel.

If it is a shared (send) effect, then that mat be used by multiple channels so it generally does not need printing.

theother · 12th June 2005

All latency is compensated with Cubase and Nuendo 3

I use external inserts (analog & digital) all the time. You just press 'ping' and the latency is compensated, even the latency a digital external unit induces. Snice it uses 'ping' (sending a short signal and measuring what the delay is) we talk about the whole path, out and in, which includes the D/A/A/D converters, too. You can see the delay it shifts everything else (if necessary)

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Hiwatt Gear addict Joined: May 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 389 Thread Starter	SX3 / Nuendo 3 hardware inserts??? Question for you guys using SX3/Nuendo3 regarding the new hardware inserts feature... If you were to send a track via aes to a digital outboard fx unit and then back into SX/Nuendo (via aes)would there be any latency? Would you need to use the new feature? Or is this feature aimed soley at analog outboard processing? __________________ "All your Hiwatts are belong to us!"

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RichT Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2003 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 1,469	Hi Hi-watt, You'll have to use the External FX plugin in SX3/ Nuendo 3 and then the latency is compensated for. You can set up the routing in the Connections dialog box. Cheers, Rich __________________ www.oldblacksmiths.com www.myspace.com/theoldblacksmiths

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Bas Gear Head Joined: Apr 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 47	It depends on where the external effect is paced. Like on a full hardware setup, if I have an insert on a desk and use that for compression, I need to print that if I want to use the compressor on another channel. If it is a shared (send) effect, then that mat be used by multiple channels so it generally does not need printing. __________________ Author of *SX3 Unleashed*

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redroom Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2004 Location: London Posts: 2,049	The external Fx feature works with digital as well as it enables you to ping devices thus it calculates the round trip of the signal for you and compensates accordingly.

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robdarling Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 790	It depends on the effect you are using. Going in and out of your computer audio i/o hardware adds latency according to your buffer size. Your average reverb setting wouldn't probably suffer much from this, it would just be adding a predelay of whatever your roundtrip buffer is. But, if you're doing short delay effects- flanging and phasing- or pitch shift w/short delay type stuff- then it's essential to be able to keep the time nice and tight. I love it. It's completely changed my way of working to have all my outboard processing fully integrated to the itb mixer.

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theother Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,089	All latency is compensated with Cubase and Nuendo 3 I use external inserts (analog & digital) all the time. You just press 'ping' and the latency is compensated, even the latency a digital external unit induces. Snice it uses 'ping' (sending a short signal and measuring what the delay is) we talk about the whole path, out and in, which includes the D/A/A/D converters, too. You can see the delay it shifts everything else (if necessary)