LOGIC UBER-GURU REQUIRED! Logic can't find Ultrabeat samples after swapping drive!

The_Cartel · 13th December 2008

Hi!

I have just replaced my 'audio' drive with a larger one. From 280Gb to 1Tb. Woohoo!!!

I named the new drive exactly the same thing as my old drive, Same format (Extended Journaled) Copied the entire folder structure across intact - and as far as I can see - all the paths to all my audio are exactly the same as they were on my old drive... Even the cute icons on the shortcuts in my sidebar are now automatically linking to the correct places in my new drive.

BUT...

Logic now can't find anything. Well lets be more specific, When I try to load a song there seem to be two types of files it can't locate:

1/ Ultrabeat samples. Ie: the .aif and .wav samples that I have loaded into my own custom Ultrabeat instruments. When loading a song a dialog box appears asking me to find these audio files for it...

Not such a 'show stopper' you may think, but I have anywhere up to 10 Ultrabeat instruments in a song - and, of course, each one has up to 20 samples... Multiply by 50 songs - yeah - you get the point - this is nightmarish!!!

2/ Audio files referenced in the song itself - with long file names. Logic seems to be finding audio files in the song with short file names, but then comes up with dialog boxes during song load asking me to find filenames that are TRUNCATED! argh! So instead of the file 'Kik-Reggaeton warm 01' I am asked to locate 'Kik-reggaeton wa#16E59'. Now I have a lot of reggaeton kicks!! Which one does it want? And note also - that in the audio files associated with the song - none of the file names have been truncated! So which one is it looking for????? Corrupted look-up table? Wha?????

Just to clarify too:
-Logic 7.2.3 (961.9)
-PPC G5, 2.5Mb Ram
-Osx 10.4.11

And the system drive has remain unchanged! I have just swapped out my drive with all my Audio on it. So my /user path and so on remains unchangted.

This is driving me NUTS!!!! I have a beautiful big new drive to play with, am bursting the seams of my current one and have an album to finish... I've looked on every Logic forum and group I can find and there is very little reference to this kind of problem, but I'm sure some-one else must have come across this before... There are some very cool tools in Project manager for resolving this kind of problem - but they only apply to EXS instruments and songs - not Ultrabeat instruments!

PLEASE HELP!!!!

And a further question: Does the Ultrabeat Instrument in Logic8 truncate filenames? Could I make this whole problem go away by upgrading to 8??

Thanks,

Dan

Lagerfeldt · 13th December 2008

Logic 8 doesn't use the Project Manager anymore, instead it relies on the system wide Spotlight for searching.

The Ultrabeat samples... is it the factory sounds? Then just re-install those.

If you haven't deleted your old disk try doing a clone of the hard disk instead of just copying.

drycounty · 13th December 2008

Did you disable Spotlight on the new drive? Un-do that and you should be good?

Lagerfeldt · 13th December 2008

He's in Logic 7 - not version 8 - so I don't know if it would make a big impact?

The_Cartel · 14th December 2008

To answer some questions, They are my own samples that are failing to load correctly.

And yeah logic 7. What is the significance of spotlight?

I have a feeling it's more to do with the 'lookup tables' for files that Ultrabest uses. These seem to be restricted to short character names - they seem to work when the samples are where it 'expects' them to be (which means perhaps it uses some other databse as well - possible Logic's 'program manager thingo' - ????).

My latest theory (on suggestion from some-one else) is that I do a Disk image copy of the old drive onto the new one. Really what I need to do it to fool Ultrabeat into thinking it's the same drive. How can it tell the difference I wonder? What is making it freak out? Unique Device ID???

hmmmm...

Any further thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated! I am really stuck here and need to sort this out in the next few days!

Thanks,

Dan

Lagerfeldt · 14th December 2008

I actually answered both of your questions already in my first post.

The_Cartel · 14th December 2008

Ah Thankyou Lagerfeldt.

Yeah - I geddit now. Thing is - I'm in Logic7. I think that's the next thing I'm going to try - do an 'image copy' of the drive. Of course I'm going to need another disk (about 300Gb) to do this - so I'll borrow one from work tomorrow.

Wish me luck.

And thanks for your input!

D.

The_Cartel · 17th December 2008

Well, I just tired the cloning approach, using 'Carbon Copy Clone', and unfortunately...

The problem remains.

Can anyone help here? Does anyone have a contact within the Logic development team?

Below is the problem again in as concise format as I can make it, can any-one forward this on?

Thanks for any help...

THE MAIN QUESTION
-------------------------
Does the Ultrabeat Instrument in Logic 7 store some form of unique Drive Identifier in it's path information for each sample it loads (in relation to user loaded samples - not preset samples.)

THE PROBLEM
-----------------

I have an internal 'Audio' Drive (300Gb) in my G5, which I would like to replace with a new drive (1000Gb). But when I copy all my data across (including all my sample libraries) and then run Logic - Ultrabeat no longer can find the samples on the new drive. Of course - since I have hundreds of Ultrabeat instruments each with up to 24 samples referenced, having to find and point to each sample would take a looooong time.

Furthermore, internally Ultrabeat seems to be truncating long file names, so asking me to find "KIK-File name tester f#F15C.wav" and of course I have many such files with the differentiating number at the END of the filename - so I cannot tell which file it wants.

MORE DETAILS
------------------

-Logic 7.2.3 (961.9)
-PPC Dual 2Ghz G5, 2.5Mb Ram
-Osx 10.4.11

I have tried Carbon Clone Copying the data from old drive to new drive. The Drive Names are the same, so as far as I can tell the entire path for the samples should identical... Other applications correctly find files on the new drive. Mac OS resolves paths correctly to the extent that custom Folder Icons display correctly on the new drive.

Ultrabeat asks me to find both samples with short filenames, and long filenames. The long filenames it asks for are truncated in the 'Ultrabeat:Please Locate:filename' window.

Furthermore, some SONG data is not found - any file referenced in a song with a long file name is asked to be found by the truncated name.
'Audio file "busta_rhymes-touch_it_#F14C.aif" not found!
Audio with short filenames ARE succesfully found by the song.

This is not so bad because with Project Manager I have some tools to locate samples, but these tools do not apply to the Ultrabeat instrument - which is my main problem.

Any help or advice, please contact:

dan@coyproductions.com

Thanks.

Dan

13th December 2008	#2
Lagerfeldt Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 4,709	Logic 8 doesn't use the Project Manager anymore, instead it relies on the system wide Spotlight for searching. The Ultrabeat samples... is it the factory sounds? Then just re-install those. If you haven't deleted your old disk try doing a clone of the hard disk instead of just copying. __________________ Professional geek Online Mastering

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13th December 2008	#1
The_Cartel Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 14 Thread Starter	LOGIC UBER-GURU REQUIRED! Logic can't find Ultrabeat samples after swapping drive! Hi! I have just replaced my 'audio' drive with a larger one. From 280Gb to 1Tb. Woohoo!!! I named the new drive exactly the same thing as my old drive, Same format (Extended Journaled) Copied the entire folder structure across intact - and as far as I can see - all the paths to all my audio are exactly the same as they were on my old drive... Even the cute icons on the shortcuts in my sidebar are now automatically linking to the correct places in my new drive. BUT... Logic now can't find anything. Well lets be more specific, When I try to load a song there seem to be two types of files it can't locate: 1/ Ultrabeat samples. Ie: the .aif and .wav samples that I have loaded into my own custom Ultrabeat instruments. When loading a song a dialog box appears asking me to find these audio files for it... Not such a 'show stopper' you may think, but I have anywhere up to 10 Ultrabeat instruments in a song - and, of course, each one has up to 20 samples... Multiply by 50 songs - yeah - you get the point - this is nightmarish!!! 2/ Audio files referenced in the song itself - with long file names. Logic seems to be finding audio files in the song with short file names, but then comes up with dialog boxes during song load asking me to find filenames that are TRUNCATED! argh! So instead of the file 'Kik-Reggaeton warm 01' I am asked to locate 'Kik-reggaeton wa#16E59'. Now I have a lot of reggaeton kicks!! Which one does it want? And note also - that in the audio files associated with the song - none of the file names have been truncated! So which one is it looking for????? Corrupted look-up table? Wha????? Just to clarify too: -Logic 7.2.3 (961.9) -PPC G5, 2.5Mb Ram -Osx 10.4.11 And the system drive has remain unchanged! I have just swapped out my drive with all my Audio on it. So my /user path and so on remains unchangted. This is driving me NUTS!!!! I have a beautiful big new drive to play with, am bursting the seams of my current one and have an album to finish... I've looked on every Logic forum and group I can find and there is very little reference to this kind of problem, but I'm sure some-one else must have come across this before... There are some very cool tools in Project manager for resolving this kind of problem - but they only apply to EXS instruments and songs - not Ultrabeat instruments! PLEASE HELP!!!! And a further question: Does the Ultrabeat Instrument in Logic8 truncate filenames? Could I make this whole problem go away by upgrading to 8?? Thanks, Dan

14th December 2008	#5
The_Cartel Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 14 Thread Starter	To answer some questions, They are my own samples that are failing to load correctly. And yeah logic 7. What is the significance of spotlight? I have a feeling it's more to do with the 'lookup tables' for files that Ultrabest uses. These seem to be restricted to short character names - they seem to work when the samples are where it 'expects' them to be (which means perhaps it uses some other databse as well - possible Logic's 'program manager thingo' - ????). My latest theory (on suggestion from some-one else) is that I do a Disk image copy of the old drive onto the new one. Really what I need to do it to fool Ultrabeat into thinking it's the same drive. How can it tell the difference I wonder? What is making it freak out? Unique Device ID??? hmmmm... Any further thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated! I am really stuck here and need to sort this out in the next few days! Thanks, Dan

17th December 2008	#8
The_Cartel Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 14 Thread Starter	Well, I just tired the cloning approach, using 'Carbon Copy Clone', and unfortunately... The problem remains. Can anyone help here? Does anyone have a contact within the Logic development team? Below is the problem again in as concise format as I can make it, can any-one forward this on? Thanks for any help... THE MAIN QUESTION ------------------------- Does the Ultrabeat Instrument in Logic 7 store some form of unique Drive Identifier in it's path information for each sample it loads (in relation to user loaded samples - not preset samples.) THE PROBLEM ----------------- I have an internal 'Audio' Drive (300Gb) in my G5, which I would like to replace with a new drive (1000Gb). But when I copy all my data across (including all my sample libraries) and then run Logic - Ultrabeat no longer can find the samples on the new drive. Of course - since I have hundreds of Ultrabeat instruments each with up to 24 samples referenced, having to find and point to each sample would take a looooong time. Furthermore, internally Ultrabeat seems to be truncating long file names, so asking me to find "KIK-File name tester f#F15C.wav" and of course I have many such files with the differentiating number at the END of the filename - so I cannot tell which file it wants. MORE DETAILS ------------------ -Logic 7.2.3 (961.9) -PPC Dual 2Ghz G5, 2.5Mb Ram -Osx 10.4.11 I have tried Carbon Clone Copying the data from old drive to new drive. The Drive Names are the same, so as far as I can tell the entire path for the samples should identical... Other applications correctly find files on the new drive. Mac OS resolves paths correctly to the extent that custom Folder Icons display correctly on the new drive. Ultrabeat asks me to find both samples with short filenames, and long filenames. The long filenames it asks for are truncated in the 'Ultrabeat:Please Locate:filename' window. Furthermore, some SONG data is not found - any file referenced in a song with a long file name is asked to be found by the truncated name. 'Audio file "busta_rhymes-touch_it_#F14C.aif" not found! Audio with short filenames ARE succesfully found by the song. This is not so bad because with Project Manager I have some tools to locate samples, but these tools do not apply to the Ultrabeat instrument - which is my main problem. Any help or advice, please contact: dan@coyproductions.com Thanks. Dan