dp 4.5 vs. nuendo 3

[BMT]

I am a frustrated PT le user. I am thinking of switching to dp4.5 or maybe nuendo but want to know the differences between the two. basically, what do you get in nuendo for an additional $1500.00? DP is looking very friendly right now.

[aaronsternke]

Nuendo 3 has delay compensation for external effects... it uses a "ping" to calculate the delays... pretty brilliant, and only in Nuendo 3.

[007]

You might want to consider Cubase SX3, which is basically Nuendo without some of the surround and video post features. I wish there was a demo of it, but alas, as I'm also a PT LE user (4 years now) and wanting to explore other options. I love Ableton Live for composing but the mix buss sounds like ass (whatever ass sounds like) and quite a hog on OSX/Powerbook.

Just heard so many great things about Cubase SX3.

[Clueless]

I was literally weeks away from folding up my DP tent and moving to Nuendo when DP 4.5 came out. It does not automatically handle delay from analog devices (inserts) but it finally does automatic latency compensation for my UAD-1. I've been working with DP long enough that my whole studio looks like one big digital chain followed by one big analog chain (culminating into a Midas Verona 400), so the lack of analog inserts is not a problem.

If I were starting from scratch I'd probably give Nuendo a very hard look (or perhaps Cubase as a previous poster suggested), but DP has been reasonably enough with MacOS 10.3.8 that I'm no longer thinking about dumping it. And the new consolidated window really is a huge improvement over the too-many-windows problems of the past.

One thing that I really miss in DP, and keeps me thinking about alternatives, is that presently DP sucks for [Live Recording] -> [Rough Mix] -> [Indexed CD]. It does the first step just fine, but the second step requires painful manual conversion steps that basically make it unuseable from an amount-of-time perspective. A dedicated CD recorder fed by a DP monitor output is likely the best solution, but it just sucks that there's no one-step process to write tracks to a CD from audio that's been decorated with appropriate markers.

[elninojesus]

I've been using Nuendo for a long time and I'm trying to make the switch to DP 4.5. The hardware insert thing is really cool in Nuendo 3 and I like editing better in Nuendo but its just too damn expensive for what you are getting. DP so far has given me everything I've needed at a fraction of the price. Cubase is definatly more comparable pricewise and you get a lot of those same features, just not surround past 5.1. Thats one of the reason's I was using Nuendo, because they have an 8.0 music setting (which still didnt work well for me because you couldnt customize the layout). DP goes up to 7.1 with surround panners so I make it work. With as much as they've added in 4 and 4.5, I think once 5 comes out it will address most of the issues I have with it. And I dont know if its just because I'm a Nuendo user but I had a difficult time with the DP interface at first. THe two couldnt be more different in the layout.



Mark

[DivineMusic]

nuendo is an awesome daw. i like dp but i'm a pc user so i can't use it.. i've been using nuendo since version 1
yes the new price on nuendo 3 is rather high but ebay is about 1200 less..
my boy just got nuendo 3 from ebay fresh in the box(WITH DONGLE) for $1450
thats a damn good price and thats about where it needs to sell at imo.. steinberg is charging way to much for nuendo 3.. its like sequoia v samp.. 3000 vs 999

[De chromium cob]

I love Nuendo 3....I probably would have gone the SX3 route, but the upgrade was only $399 from Nuendo 1.6-

[not_so_new]

Outside of Ruphus many people around here really like Samplitude (not sure if this is off topic because you have already decided on DP or Nuendo).

I just purchased Samp about a week ago and have not got it on my computer yet but just reading the manual I am really really impressed with the features included in Samp 8.0 professional.

It is very feature packed.

I moved to Samp because I too am a frustrated ProTools user (have been for 9 years or so) and Samp seems to be the best bang for the buck while at the same time seems to be some peoples favorite sonically as well.....

We will see but I would put it on your list to check out.

[junior]

nuendo's great, but why not just get sx3 if you don't need the post features? sounds like a no brainer to me...

if you're trying to get a feel for these apps, why not pick up a video tutorial of each one to see them in action? the ask video sx3 series is very good - the third disc really shows off cubase's advanced features: http://www.askvideo.com/index.php

cool school puts out a pretty good dp tutorial: http://www.courseptr.com/ptr_detail....9200%2D167%2DX

[six_wax]

it would help if you elaborated on what kind of work you're doing.

DP is really spiffy when it comes to scoring for visuals, but the interface is hella kludgy/awkward. Midi editing & arranging is passable, if you can stomach the interface.

For tracking and editing, I still think PT takes that cake, though I share your frustration over it's limitations.

Logic and PT still seem to be the lingua francas...

[BMT]

I reallly don't want this to come off snobby as I want and do appreciate any help, but let's just assume that I've done my homework and have narrowed my choices down to DP 4.5 or Nuendo 3. I am not asking anyone to teach me the programs. I would just like to know from any DP or Nuendo masters out there what the main selling points are for Nuendo to be sooo much more than DP. Or maybe what DP does the Nuendo doesn't. I mean, Lord of the Rings had DP use as did The Matrix so I'm assuming that it can do sound for film. While I'm not there yet... I might be one day. At this point I'm just looking completely at stats. (Does DP do this? Does Nuendo do this? Or Nuendo has this list that is does the no other program does.) Just FYI, I have a powerbook 15in 1.5ghz, dual 2.0ghz G5, UAD-1, and Mbox. Both computers have 512mb ram in each which will be upgraded soon as will the Mbox. Basic frustations with DIGI are as follows: track count limitations, no ADC for UAD-1, and no HIGH quality converter boxes for le or even the ability to go into adat inputs on 002r @ 88.2k. So at this point it seems that DP fits the bill for what I need. But then again I don't want to be limited as I never know what I may get myself into. I guess I just have a hard time wrapping my head around why so many audio only guys use Nuendo when it has the same engine in SX3. Is it because the name "Cubase" isn't perceived as pro so these guys spend way more money and feel it's a pro app., or are there really that many more features? I'm open minded about what kind of work I may get into. If I need to do sound to picture then I want to. If I'm just doing a regular tracking and mixing session, then I want to do that. But here's a for instance. A feature that I have come to rely on in PT is the "Tab to Transient" function. Does DP, Nuendo, or any program do that besides PT? Sorry if this sound like a rant. That is not my intention. I'm just trying to strictly look at some facts here. Not personal preferences or any other hype. Thank you for reading this long post and thanks for your response.

[BMT]

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[De chromium cob]

Originally Posted by BMT

I guess I just have a hard time wrapping my head around why so many audio only guys use Nuendo when it has the same engine in SX3. Is it because the name "Cubase" isn't perceived as pro so these guys spend way more money and feel it's a pro app., or are there really that many more features?

When Nuendo version 1 came out cubase wasn't a program I'd want to depend on in a studio situation.....At that time they were not the same audio engine. Nuendo was one of the only things out there as of 2001 that could take the place of Pro Tools IMO. I was considering changing to Cubase SX3 but the cross-grade was $299 while the upgrade to N3 was only $399. So it was certainly worth the extra hundred for me to go with N3. I always like to have the top of the line anything, even though I dont use alot of the post production abilitys of the program....Its nice to know its there if I need it.

[Teddy Gee]

BMT,

I think I hear your question and it can be hard at times to get answers instead of advice :>)

I use DP 4.5.2., and have been on DP since V4. A studio that I do a lot of collaborative work with uses Nuendo 3 and has been on the Nuendo patform for the last 3-4 years. I can't personally find a reason why Nuendo costs 5-6 times as much as DP. They are both totally usable programs IMO and for my tastes the DP interface and workflow are preferable, but to each their own. If you are accustomed to PT, I think you might find the DP switch relatively easy GUI -wise. At one point I was going to add Nuendo (or Cubase SX3) to my system for compatibility and both the other studio owner and I decided there was no real reason. We share files regularly, both programs are very comfortable with that so.......both have access to all the third-party plugs you could ever want, etc....

So having experience with both: I think they are both excellent, and would be perfectly happy working on either platform, but would most likely choose DP for a lot less money.

Stephen

[A101]

Go with DP if you’re migrating from PT.
The transition will be smooth plus it has almost all+ features that you would ever need.

[scott petito]

I also considered to the transition to nuendo from dp ( I already have a large protools setup)... each of these programs have cool things that one can do but not the other....I love the import to trac function in PT for instance... I think DP and PT are much closer in interface and style to each other....as for the price thing I came to the conclusion that nuendo is priced higher to appear to compete more closely with PT's .. the old if it it costs more it must be better routine...I would save the bread for a great mic...

cheers
SP