True sidechaining - VST

[PapillonIrl]

Which (if any) VST compressor plugs allow for true sidechaining ? i.e. Taking a key signal from one track and compressing/limiting another based on it's reaction to the key signal ?

Looking for a pretty transparant one - Voxengo Crunchessor claims to do it, but I haven't looked into it as I don't think it's what I'm looking for. Something like RComp...

I'm on Samplitude 7.22.

Cheers.

Nathan

[goodjohnys]

If you want something like the Rcomp, why don´t you try the crunchessor?It´s the best compressor for PC?You should try it.

[PapillonIrl]

Originally posted by goodjohnys
If you want something like the Rcomp, why don´t you try the crunchessor?It´s the best compressor for PC?You should try it.

Okay... Do you use it ?

Does it have a reasonably transparent setting ?

How does the side-chain setting work (There's very little in the manual)?

Thanks,

Nathan

[ct43]

check this out for a side chain comp

http://www.otiumfx.com/compadre.php

[Fenris]

The only sidechain comp that works reliably is DB-Audioware Dynamics, and it has about 10 ms of latency, so you have to nudge the key track to compensate.

However, there are several plug-ins that will operate in 4-channel mode, and provide a sidechain this way. Crunchessor is one.

[PapillonIrl]

Thanks folks. Am getting a rare bit of spare time this week, so will give the above mentioned demos a test drive.

Anybody got any more suggestions ?

Anybody have any of the above, and able to compare to the UAD type comps and/or the RComp type compression ?

Thanks all.

Nathan

[Wolfgang]

Most of us are waiting for Steinberg to implement VST3

[ct43]

Originally posted by ct43
check this out for a side chain comp

http://www.otiumfx.com/compadre.php

just thought id say I cant even get this plugin to work... dont know if its my system but it just comes up with some intro graphics then nothing else

[PapillonIrl]

Originally posted by Wolfgang
Most of us are waiting for Steinberg to implement VST3

Yes, I heard it mentioned on another forum that the current version of VST (2?) doesn't allow true side-chaining, but yet some software developers are offering VST plugs that claim to feature it...

Any software gurus/programmers able to shed some light on this ?

NAthan

[Rune L-H]

Originally posted by ct43
just thought id say I cant even get this plugin to work... dont know if its my system but it just comes up with some intro graphics then nothing else

Hi,

This is a known situation with the current version of Compadre. You should just start audio playback so audio streams through the plug-in. After that the About/intro page disappears for good.

Hope this helps.

/Rune

[Rune L-H]

Originally posted by PapillonIrl
Yes, I heard it mentioned on another forum that the current version of VST (2?) doesn't allow true side-chaining, but yet some software developers are offering VST plugs that claim to feature it...

Any software gurus/programmers able to shed some light on this ?

NAthan

I don'thave specific knowledge about changes for sidechaining with future VST3 plugins, but there is nothing preventing sidechaining with the current VST specs.

It's all a question of whether your host is flexible enough and whether the plugin supports it.

For example; you can achieving true stereo sidechaining with the Compadre compressor plugin in Cubase SX and Tracktion....to mention those combinations I have succesfully tested myself.

/Rune

[PapillonIrl]

I wonder why UA haven't sorted it out with their comps...that would have me buying a third card pretty quick.

Gonna suss out the above mentioned demos with Samplitude, will report results.

Cheers,

Nathan

[Rune L-H]

Hi,

I have completed a video-tutorial that shows how to hook up stereo sidechaining in CubaseSX with Compadre.
Download it here: Sidechaining in CubaseSX using Compadre VST (6,87MB)

Note that it's not meant to demonstrate any audio processing, but simply the routing aspects.

Best regards,
Rune

[lukasbrooklyn]

you can do sidechaining with the TC plugs ('compressor' + 'sidechainer' plugs), or with waves (though there you always feed the sidechain signal in one channel and the signal to be effected in the other, so it's essentially mono, whereas the TCs work in stereo).

-lukas

[Rea]

the logic audio compressor does true sidechaining...but you have to be in logic...

[cymatics]

A free plug in the 'alpha stage'

Chunkware Vanilla

I've only messed with it briefly, but it seems pretty darn transparent. I haven't tried to do any external sidechaining with it, but the built in hp/lp/bandpass filter works nicely.

- jon

[roughly]

Hey gang this is something that is near and dear to me also, i'm so frustated at the lack of a TRUE sidechain in Sonar, and really need this feature. i have been of lately tring Topaz's midi ducked which is cool and i believe would do the job, but the set up is a bit tweeky.

And db isn't working out to well either.

damnit - i guess i just wanted to say that i'm frustated too.



OT: cymatics where can i get that counter !!!!! i love it.

[cymatics]

Here's another option:

Twisted Lemon 'Sidekick'

Mono only though.

- jon

PS - Roughly... check you PM's

[jbuntz]

The db audio thing does the trick for me. I lost my copy of it though.

[jbuntz]

Originally posted by PapillonIrl
Yes, I heard it mentioned on another forum that the current version of VST (2?) doesn't allow true side-chaining, but yet some software developers are offering VST plugs that claim to feature it...

Any software gurus/programmers able to shed some light on this ?

NAthan

The VST SDK doesn't have a way to pass data in the right way to do true sidechaining. That's not to say that a programmer can't find a way to poke around in memory to do it. I'm not sure if it's possible with VST2. The DB Audio ware thing is Direct X.