Mac Dual Boot for OS9 and OSX

[blake1]

Hi fellow Gearslutz.

The time has come to update my 1ghz DP G4 to OSX.

I use a Digi 001 and have been working flawless in OS 9.2, but now need to go to OSX (PT 6.4) for better midi and to work out my new BFD software.

I really don't want to mess with my OS 9.2 drive since it works great!


I have a new Maxtor internal 80 gig 7200 rpm 8MB cache drive ready to go.

I currently use 2 internal drives in my Quicksilver G4- one (master) for my applications and the other connected as a slave for audio files.

I transfered the 2nd drive's data so nothing would be lost in the shuffle.


My question is:

Do I connect this second Drive (OSX application) as a slave?

I can't find any other way of connecting to the mother board without it slaving.


Also, I see there is an extra bay underneath the DVD/Cd player and another slave like cable coming down to the motherboard from the cd player.

Any suggestions? I already went to the Digi site and they don't go into detail how to do this.

Thanks for your time !

[quadwould]

yopu have to boot off of the UltraATA bus. wich is rthe one that you have your 2 drives on already.

the space below the cd/dyd tray is originally meant for ZIPs. but one can put a drive there. Though it would be only for storage, as the bus is not fast enough. (thuse why you cannot boot from there as well)


Get the biggest drive you can for the Storrage slot, Ghost or Image (backup)your OS9 drive onto it, and then install OSX on to you current OS9 drive. if you are unsure how to install so that the drive is dual boot, go into Mahhattan to the Apple store and ask one of the Genius's. I think that youcan just Install OSX as a second OS without altering your OS9 Stuff at all.


*you may be restricted to 120GB Max size for a drive. Ase the Genius's about that as well. I know that the 933 has a cap of 120GB.... (this is for internal IDE/ATA drives. there is no problem with FW or SCSI)

[blake1]

Thanks, but I don't want to touch what is on my OS9 drive.

I have a 80 gig Maxtor internal drive ready to load OSX.

[gogo]

Back-up your OS9 boot drive - use the Maxtor as your new boot drive - install Panther and PT 6.7.

I just did the same thing, and I have no need to go back to 9 now. X rocks!

[quadwould]

Understood......

DO you want to have 3 drives in there (the OS9rive, the OSX drive, and an Audio Drive.. that you work off of)??? If so.. it cannot be done.

Your OS9 and OSx drive both (if there are 2 separate drives) need to be on the Ultra ATA bus. the one that is currently used for the OS9 and other drive.

If you want to use a trird drive for Audio (one that you will work off of, you NEED it to be on the Ultra ATA Bus. NOT the IDE/ATA bus that the DVD/CD is on. That bus is not fast enough. I dont know WHY this is. i just know that it is so.

Sooo if that is the case.... you will have to make the OS9 drive be Dual Boot.

I know you want it as it is... (you may be paranoid because you have [k'd] software on there. hey thats cool if your into that. ) But there are ways of , as i said, Ghosting or Imaging your OS9 drive so that nothing on there is changed. programmes like Tech Tool Pro, and Diskwarrior (which are amazing and you should have anyway, for the safe maintainence of your system) can do this. check them out.


what is the size of your other 2 drives?

[blake1]

I think the other drives are 60 gig (system) and 120 gig (audio).


Shoot, maybe I didn't need the other maxtor. I have a new 200 gig firewire drive from OWC. I haven't used it yet. I'm not sure if i have to format the firewire drive to OSX or OS9.

I don't have disk warrior. Can I just hi-lite my OS9 drive's folder and copy to my other G4 mac's secondary hard drive. So many options now.

I think I'll just keep both OS's on separate drives and use an external fire drive for backing up.

[quadwould]

the Firewire drive..... when you plug it in. does it mount. If Yes, then go to Apple System Profiler (under the apple in the file menu, or sherlock for it).. go to Volumes, and click on the FW frive, and expand so you see its details.

does it say Mac OS Standard (HFS) or Mac OS Extended (HFS+).

you want it to say the latter.

if it does. you are all good.

if it does not say that and says HFS or it does not mount you need to use Drive Setup. and Format it as HFS+ (Extended.)

all of your other drives should be HFS+ too.


as for copying.. No draning the drive to a folder on a new drive will miss out some hidden files.

this is why you need to Image the drive.

check the apple site, or do a Yahoo search for how to Image or Ghost(copy) a drive. you mught have to get tech tool pro and/or Disk Warrior (whhich you should at some point anyway.. they are priceless tools. saved my ass and may other peoples as well many times.

if you have OSs on the 2 UltraATA drives... the DVD/CD bus Hard drive can be used for storage. You may be able to use the FW to record audio.

[blake1]

Ok, another question about the firewire drive.

I haven't plugged it in yet. Can I use this for backing up OSX and OS9 files?

Or do I have to partition it and then do the hfs+ format.


I could use my leftover hard drive as just a back up drive in the DVD/cd slave slot.


I'll check into disk warrior too, but later.

[quadwould]

if your FW drive works on one Mac OS (8, 9, or X) it will work on the others.

[blake1]

Ok, I'm going to the Apple support but since you guys are smartslutz, I'll give you a try. And thanks for all the help so far!




Ok, I installed the Maxtor hard drive. Had to do it as the Master, since OSX woun't take second fiddle as a slave drive. I formated the Maxtor drive through OSX disk utility and split the drive (partitioned) and loaded OSX onto the first partition.

OS 9 boots up fine with an (Option) boot up.

Now the problem is that while booting up into OSX, the curser can't click anything. It moves but can't activate any buttons (like a freeze) so I can't set up internet or anything. It did this many times to get the DVD installed (I was up all night).

BTW: I only installed one DVD out of 3, but it said OSX was installed.
I want to make a custom install for optimum audio performance, since there is over 3 gigs of stuff in OSX. ....but one thing at a time. Geez, who said Macs


were easy ? @%$@#$%!!!

[blake1]

Ok, I found out I wasn't using Apple's terrible mouse to boot up OSX. I was using a Logiteck ball type and it wasn't working properly.

I had to use Apples mouse to make it work, even though the logitech worked once.

[quadwould]

So how do you have it configured???


Drive 1 (UltATA)

Drive 2(UltATA)

Drive 3 (dvd bus)




when you say "(option)" do you mean that you are booting OS9 in Classic mode, while OSX is running??? (hope not... not much runs well.. certainly not Pro Tools) it needs to be something you select as a startup disk from the System Preferences.

[blake1]

Correct on the first 2 drives.

The Master is OSX and the slave is OS9.


No DVD/CD buss drive yet.

I'll do that later just for storage I guess.

It's working well so far. And I have an Article from Electronic Musician Sept. 2004 that helped me optimize for DAW set-up. I just did the basics for now. They as to download some freeware to basically be used like extensions in OS9 to take away some background bloat that wouldn't be needed.

Thanks for your help. You are a gentleman and scholar!

[quadwould]

well.. good luck with the setup

if i may suggest, that if you are working in OSX, record to your OS9 Drive, and if working on OS9 record to your OSX Drive. this will ensure that there is not too much stress on any drive and that you system runs smoother.

[grouphome]

I've got 4 drives in my mac
2 80 gig audio drives
1 80 gig os9.2&os 10.2
1 80 gig os10.3
the audio drives are on the faster bus
have had 4 different drives in it with osses on each drive
worked like a charm!

[Gregg Sartiano]

Anybody using 2 drives -- one OS 9, one OS X, and switching between starting up in 9 and starting up in X? Is that do-able without cracking open the Mac and actually switching jumpers, etc.?

I am specifically asking about the MDD (later) G4's.

[Screws]

Yes, just start up holding down the option key and it asks you which drive/OS you wish to boot.