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[hugh 7]

Hey V, this one is for you.

Originally Posted by SONICA

Hello,

The fact that both ADK and us have been in business for a long time, indicates that not all professional studios and/or producers use MACs.

Take a look at both site's Pro Customer pages, it will give you an idea. As a matter of fact, most producers that have dropped PT for applications like Nuendo, Cubase, Samplitude, Sequoia and GigaStudio, run on a PC.

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Originally Posted by SONICA

It is easier to run into trouble with a PC, but that's because there are hundreds of different hardware choices. If you have a PC built with quality system boards, memory, video card and hard drives, you should be able to run trouble free. Software is just as important, stay away from non audio related software on your audio production system.

uhmmm,, duh! Who doesn't know that?

[jcschild]

Originally Posted by hugh 7

I don't even care to really engage you. It's pointless.
While I'm sure that you will respond with what you surely persieve as a witty comeback (though it really just comes off as weak attempts at insults), it doesn't matter.

I'm just pointing out that not everyone is into the use of this place by salesmen. Helpful salesmen to be sure, but still salesmen. I'd rather hear form real users. Not people with a vested and biased interested in pushing their wares.

In other words, I thought this place was for real gear heads. Not a place for salesmen to pitch their products to those gear heads every chance they get.

I will give you this: perhaps you have more scruples than the others because you seem to advertise yourself a lot less. But don't get filled with 'righteous indignation' at the mere suggestion. It is happening. It's not too hard to see it pretty much on any computer related thread.

I think it's pretty lame. And it isn't very helpfull or accurate ( bootcamped mac is clearly the best pre built DAW to get, money being no object. Best of all worlds).

you are funny!

do you see alink to my website in my sig? NO
do you see me post call me? no
do you see me say buy from ADK? no
do you see me do anything thats would be trolling? NO

now on the other hand i dont see you posting in regard to this guy.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm not here to pursue any sales but for consideration please visit audeum.com

I'm the designer and Engineer of Audeum Custom Digital Workstations. We fully customize and tweak our systems for Audio recording, matching the needs of your audio project, environment and requirements. We use Windows XP and all quiet audio approved world highest quality components.

Feel free to contact me with any questions.
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Ladia - Audeum

Custom Digital Audio Workstations
Audeum Custom Digital Audio Workstations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

who posted the same thing in 3 threads

now that is flat out trolling and spam....
in fact i have never seem him ever post anything helpful to anyone except spam
so if you want to play forum police have at it
but you wont fine cause with me

and come to think of it i have yet to see you post 1 helpful comment.
aside attacking me and other daw builders... what have you posted?
so i believe its you who should be policed...

back off jack, until you are a mod shove it... funny you dont see George or Geert giving me a hard time

Scott
ADK

[jcschild]

Originally Posted by lespaul666

Why should you get a PC when you can run everything including Windows, on a Macintosh? Because a PC is cheaper? Is it really??? Any portable PC that is similar in horsepower and features is around the same price, anyway. Forget it.


Get a Macintosh.

i would put that to the test.....

15" macbook pro
2.5G
4gig ram
200G 7200 HDD
3yr Apple care
$3098
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ADK 15" PC laptop
2.5G
4gig Ram
200G 7200 HDD
3 yr warranty and lifetime support
$1756
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

yeah Apple is the same price all right....
wait i'll do you one better

Apple 17" 1920 res
2.6G dual core
4gig ram
200G 7200 HDD
nvidia 8600
3yr Apple care
$3748

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ADK 17" 1920 res
2.6G QUAD CORE <--------
4gig ram
200G 7200 HDD
2nd 200G 7200 HDD <-------
Nvidia 8700
3yr warranty with lifetime support
$3685
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

yeah Apple is less alright or about the same price... NOT.

dont get me wrong i love Apple but i also like to see the truth

oh and Hugh7...
i had to post my company name for a comparison....


Scott
ADK

[hugh 7]

Originally Posted by jcschild

you are funny!

do you see alink to my website in my sig? NO

but I do see you talking about your wares all the time. About their features and warranties and what not. And not just at this place. You fellows have pretty much invaded every music forum there is. And I also see you telling people to use google and of course find your site (I've even see you point out that to make sure it;s not the advertiser sponsored links).

Originally Posted by jcschild

do you see me post call me? no
do you see me say buy from ADK? no

Actually yes! A bunch of times. If you insist I will quote you directly (won't be hard to find at all!). However, as this is a volunteer service I am providing, I may not get to it right away.

Originally Posted by jcschild

do you see me do anything thats would be trolling? NO

Not so fast with that big no. It's a matter of perspective. I do think you troll a lot of forums (particularly when you dis your biggest DAW rival, apple). But you also are very helpful to many. So it's a balance.

Originally Posted by jcschild

now on the other hand i dont see you posting in regard to this guy.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm not here to pursue any sales but for consideration please visit audeum.com

I'm the designer and Engineer of Audeum Custom Digital Workstations. We fully customize and tweak our systems for Audio recording, matching the needs of your audio project, environment and requirements. We use Windows XP and all quiet audio approved world highest quality components.

Feel free to contact me with any questions.
__________________
Ladia - Audeum

Custom Digital Audio Workstations
Audeum Custom Digital Audio Workstations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

who posted the same thing in 3 threads

now that is flat out trolling and spam....
in fact i have never seem him ever post anything helpful to anyone except spam

My bad, I guess i missed yet another salesman. I'll rectify it right now.

Originally Posted by jcschild

so if you want to play forum police have at it
but you wont fine cause with me

There is nothing I need to find. some of you guys are two hairs past the forum rules. Not that I'm a rule stickler. But in this case, it seems to be a bit of a disservice to have biased opinions that have a commercial interest. Hence the rule.

Originally Posted by jcschild

and come to think of it i have yet to see you post 1 helpful comment.
aside attacking me and other daw builders... what have you posted?
so i believe its you who should be policed...

I think if I succeed in toning down the sales pitches and perhaps getting you guys to stop acting like you own the place, then I was helpful.

Originally Posted by jcschild

back off jack

Scott
ADK

or what?

[Bhang]

Originally Posted by SONICA

Hello,

The fact that both ADK and us have been in business for a long time, indicates that not all professional studios and/or producers use MACs.

Take a look at both site's Pro Customer pages, it will give you an idea. As a matter of fact, most producers that have dropped PT for applications like Nuendo, Cubase, Samplitude, Sequoia and GigaStudio, run on a PC.

I.

Sorry but that is just not true. "most producers that have dropped PT for applications like Nuendo, Cubase, Samplitude, Sequoia and GigaStudio, run on a PC". Sorry but I find this to be entirely untrue.

[jcschild]

I think if I succeed in toning down the sales pitches and perhaps getting you guys to stop acting like you own the place, then I was helpful.

my hero.....

got news for ya you aint gonna change a thing.

i will continue to post as i have until George/Geert tells me differently
if we cant get Allen Collins baned i doubt you can do much.. my hero for the people

Scott

[hugh 7]

Originally Posted by jcschild

my hero.....

got news for ya you aint gonna change a thing.

i will continue to post as i have until George/Geert tells me differently
if we cant get Allen Collins baned i doubt you can do much.. my hero for the people

Scott

No need to act like an ass. I have a valid point. It's a disservice to the community (ALL of the ones you fellows invade) to have salesmen pushing their wares (and ok, being somewhat helpful in the process, like a good salesperson should).

The reason it's a disservice (and the reason for the rule) is that your opinions are tainted by self interest (i.e selling your computers). I think it's very helpful (perhaps not to the salesmen) to point that out. Does it make me a hero? Well i guess to you it does! Thank you. But I'm no hero. I'm just doing what anyone else in my situation would do.

Like has been mentioned, right now the best DAW to get is a bootcamped mac (money not being an issue). But it all depends. That is why people post for advice isn't it? To get a variety of opinions to make an informed choice? When some of those opinions are from someone with a vested and commercial interest, it taints the whole process.

[manning1]

every time i see a mac // pc thread...
for nth time...
gonna post the following, cos its all daft....lol.


a friend of mine says if you get a mac from the best part of town...
you also get the best looking women too in the high falutin nightspots.
the problem is it costs a lot buying drinks so a hot looking woman will give you a second glance.

another downside is some mates/acquaintenances might try n steal em from you.
or be tempted anyway.
(so be careful who you tell that you have one.
not a good idea to show a hot woman off sometimes.)
hot looking women can sometimes be high maintenance ,
like scullys n 2 inch multitraks.
and your hot looking woman will likely get annoyed if an mbp goes wrong
and she has to wait to do her vocals while you send her out in the limo
and wait at applecare while the mbp is being fixed.
and she wont be impressed when you ask her to get a job for a bit...
so you can add more and more expensive memory and a hard drive internal upgrade
so garageband can load faster with all her vocal n instrument traks.....
and she wont be impressed when the multiple core mac she bought you for xmas ,
has been replaced by something newer n better n faster, and so now she has to take yet another job, so she can buy you a new machine for your birthday.

or you can go to the other side of town, down by the traks.
(where youll find lots of available deep discount options...so many in fact you get a mind buzz,
and wish you had got drunk.)
n get a woman with a different set of issues.
if you pick the right one, she can be a sterling performer.
but you gotta be carefull getting the right personality traits
in the first place n mebe do a trial run living together to see
how compatible you are, as well as assessing how well she gets on
with your existing treasure trove of goodies.
if you get the right one, she can be honest n true for years.
but if your lackadaisical in your choice of personality traits,
your life might get rather difficult.
but be carefull letting her visit lots of your mates
who work at various sites.
cos she might be tempted, n get something, if you havent chosen wisely.
n let her roam willy nilly.
so best bet is not to let her visit any sites in the first place.
she might also develope a problem or mebe nag you
if you dont buy her the occasional bunch of flowers and give her a tune up.
plus you gotta be carefull feeding her lots of goodies without assessing
the impact on her health , cos she might hiccup on the wrong one.
all over your nice new shirt.

whichever way you go, in summary, there are problems to consider.
no perfect solution.
and...whichever way you go, in the end, youll prolly get seduced
by the new model that comes out, and youll put your old model
into retirement, and look sadly at your bank account.
and youll wonder why your bank manager is always smiling
when he gives you a loan for the nth time, and is always gazeing fondly at
the porsche sitting outside his window.
yep...you helped buy it.

ah but "i'm a gearslut", i hear you say.
i was born to be seduced.


there is just no winning this game whichever route you take....lol.
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[jcschild]

Originally Posted by hugh 7

No need to act like an ass. I have a valid point. It's a disservice to the community (ALL of the ones you fellows invade) to have salesmen pushing their wares (and ok, being somewhat helpful in the process, like a good salesperson should).

The reason it's a disservice (and the reason for the rule) is that your opinions are tainted by self interest (i.e selling your computers). I think it's very helpful (perhaps not to the salesmen) to point that out. Does it make me a hero? Well i guess to you it does! Thank you. But I'm no hero. I'm just doing what anyone else in my situation would do.

Like has been mentioned, right now the best DAW to get is a bootcamped mac (money not being an issue). But it all depends. That is why people post for advice isn't it? To get a variety of opinions to make an informed choice? When some of those opinions are from someone with a vested and commercial interest, it taints the whole process.

hillarious
i sell both where is the taint?

i have never given any advice that was NOT FACT. and verifiable.
(not counting comments on subjective questions such as what mic pres)

i steer people in the right direction based on use and budget. including making the comments that if you are on a tight budget and a lite basement hobbiest user then a dell may be fine..

i have numerous times mentioned some of my competition as an option of where to buy without even mentioning my name
EG Sonica and Studio Cat.
the only 2 i have respect for in this biz...

i dont need to toot my own horn i have plenty of clients who do it for me and even people who have never bought from me.

you are about 1 post away from ignore, as i have yet to see anything from you worth reading.
sad as it is to say even Allen Collins can post a worthwhile comment from time to time
you my hero of the people have yet to do so.

Scott
ADK

[hugh 7]

Originally Posted by jcschild

hillarious
i sell both where is the taint?

What's your profit margin on generic (though carefully chosen) computer parts anyone can get from newegg versus reselling a mac?

Look dude, most of the people here are entrapenours of some sort of the other. We can empathise.

But your opinions will always be tainted because you have a commercial interest: selling your computers.

Originally Posted by jcschild

i have never given any advice that was NOT FACT. and verifiable.
(not counting comments on subjective questions such as what mic pres)

i steer people in the right direction based on use and budget. including making the comments that if you are on a tight budget and a lite basement hobbiest user then a dell may be fine..

i have numerous times mentioned some of my competition as an option of where to buy without even mentioning my name
EG Sonica and Studio Cat.
the only 2 i have respect for in this biz...

Well, all that is debatable. I could take the time to find your own posts that prove what I'm saying and contradict you. But do I really care too? Not ATM. Perhaps later.

Originally Posted by jcschild

i dont need to toot my own horn i have plenty of clients who do it for me and even people who have never bought from me.

True, you don't need to toot your own horn. But there isn't much sales that come from sitting quietly is there? That is my point. If you say, "my computers are the best, blah blah blah", it's tainted because YOU said it (the person selling them, making a profit from it, etc..,). But if a user says it, then it's their opinion.

Originally Posted by jcschild

you are about 1 post away from ignore, as i have yet to see anything from you worth reading.
sad as it is to say even Allen Collins can post a worthwhile comment from time to time
you my hero of the people have yet to do so.

Scott
ADK

Is this my lucky post that gets me on your ignore list? uhhh the suspense...... I could give two fling craps if you effeminately put me on your ignore list. I could care less if you ever respond to any of my posts. I'm doing this to point out that the opinions of salesmen should be considered just that. Not saying a salesman can't be genuinely helpful and informative. I'm just saying as long as they are selling what the subject is about, it's a tainted opinion.

[Hard2Hear]

Hugh-

If you want non product discussions I suggest you look elsewhere. There are people from Digidesign, SSL, Metric Halo, Yamaha, Neve, etc etc who post here talking about their stuff and pitching it. This is GEAR slutz.

duh

[Fluxpod]

Indeed..i always like the adk/sonica guys for their honest recomms...they are not in your face as some other salespeople here.
Hugh is just a troll....and i think he is just the alter ego of someone.

[SONICA]

Originally Posted by Bhang

Sorry but that is just not true. "most producers that have dropped PT for applications like Nuendo, Cubase, Samplitude, Sequoia and GigaStudio, run on a PC". Sorry but I find this to be entirely untrue.

100% true on my 8 year long customer database.

[SONICA]

Originally Posted by hugh 7

Hey V, this one is for you.

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uhmmm,, duh! Who doesn't know that?

Buddy, I am not taking the bait.

[TAFKAT]

Originally Posted by hugh 7

I don't even care to really engage you. It's pointless.

Of Course.. :-)

The only reason you will not engage me on this point, is that you do not have one..

You targeted the wrong poster on this thread, simple as that.

That is the point I was making, my post was purely rhetorical.. :-)

Lets call a spade a spade here..

You have a personal agenda , your entire contribution on this forum since joining has been to directly target some of the DAW builders that contribute here, for what ever glitch you have against us, while using a very selective filter when others who clearly cross the line, seem to evade your radar..

Give it a rest Mate.., your cloak is slipping.. !

BTW: Who appointed you the Forum Moderator here , the last time I checked, both George and Geert were still alive and kicking.. , unless of course you decided to anoint yourself after your enormous contribution here.. ?? !!

P.S. Has anyone here ever seen Hugh and Collins in the same room together, the lines starting to blur.... LOL


V:

[SFTPH]

Originally Posted by Sirocco

worthless_posts=worthless_posts+1

or if your cool enough

worthless_posts+=1

[SFTPH]

Originally Posted by SONICA

100% true on my 8 year long customer database.

You sell PC's put together specifically for native audio apps. Of course it is true from your point of view. It is just not a fact.

[qsblues]

Typical PC Music Hardware installation process;

1. Take new toy out of box
2. Plug in and power on new toy
3. Install drivers
4. Reboot OS
5. Install hardware
6. No workie
7. Update drivers
8. Reboot OS
9. No workie
10. RTFM
11. Search for forum online
12. Find relevant post
13. Apply post instructions
14. Reboot OS
15. Install hardware
16. Install software
17. Repeat steps 4-17 for about 5 hours, then it might work.

Typical Mac Hardware Installation Process

1. Take new toy out of box
2. Plug in and power up new toy
3. OSX tells you, "New toy discovered. Would you like to use it?"
4. Start using new toy.
5. Ask yourself, "Why did I use a PC all these years?"

I've used both PC and Mac. I've experienced this process first hand. That is why I say get a mac. I've used PC's for years for audio recording. And, to save you a couple of years, get a mac. Nothing against PC's, they have their place, and I have one as well as my Mac. But, you don't use a hammer to clean your windshield either.

Peace.

Q

[Bhang]

[allencollins]

Originally Posted by hugh 7

but I do see you talking about your wares all the time. About their features and warranties and what not. And not just at this place. You fellows have pretty much invaded every music forum there is. And I also see you telling people to use google and of course find your site (I've even see you point out that to make sure it;s not the advertiser sponsored links).


Actually yes! A bunch of times. If you insist I will quote you directly (won't be hard to find at all!). However, as this is a volunteer service I am providing, I may not get to it right away.

Not so fast with that big no. It's a matter of perspective. I do think you troll a lot of forums (particularly when you dis your biggest DAW rival, apple). But you also are very helpful to many. So it's a balance.


My bad, I guess i missed yet another salesman. I'll rectify it right now.

There is nothing I need to find. some of you guys are two hairs past the forum rules. Not that I'm a rule stickler. But in this case, it seems to be a bit of a disservice to have biased opinions that have a commercial interest. Hence the rule.


I think if I succeed in toning down the sales pitches and perhaps getting you guys to stop acting like you own the place, then I was helpful.


or what?

hey go easy on Scott. He's not heavy he's my BROTHER!!!!

[allencollins]

This Mac vs Windows thing IS OLD move on. Work on your eq technique mic placement and drum tuning or whatever.

I've said this 1000 times. Turn on the radio and tell me what mix was done on windows or leopard Then debate which is better. Until then you are arguing religion and come across as amateurs. Would it matter if your house was built with a craftsman hammer or a stanley? NO
it wouldn't. An OS it's a TOOL. Give Mike Shipley or Mutt Soundforge version 1.0 running on DOS or windows 95 they are still gonna make better records than you running Windows or OSX.

I'm gonna make a bad records on OSX or XP or I'm gonna make a great ones. It's all in the soul and the technique. The one tool
that doesn't MATTER in making a great record is the os plain and simple.

If you have trouble using a 'pc' as you say then you need to look inside yourself. It has nothing to do with a mac being better

move on

[jcschild]

Originally Posted by qsblues

Typical PC Music Hardware installation process;

1. Take new toy out of box
2. Plug in and power on new toy
3. Install drivers
4. Reboot OS
5. Install hardware
6. No workie
7. Update drivers
8. Reboot OS
9. No workie
10. RTFM
11. Search for forum online
12. Find relevant post
13. Apply post instructions
14. Reboot OS
15. Install hardware
16. Install software
17. Repeat steps 4-17 for about 5 hours, then it might work.

Typical Mac Hardware Installation Process

1. Take new toy out of box
2. Plug in and power up new toy
3. OSX tells you, "New toy discovered. Would you like to use it?"
4. Start using new toy.
5. Ask yourself, "Why did I use a PC all these years?"

I've used both PC and Mac. I've experienced this process first hand. That is why I say get a mac. I've used PC's for years for audio recording. And, to save you a couple of years, get a mac. Nothing against PC's, they have their place, and I have one as well as my Mac. But, you don't use a hammer to clean your windshield either.

Peace.

Q

that was pretty funny...
let me re word it...

Typical PC Music Hardware installation process; when buying a DELL or other off the shelf, or buillding it yourself.

1. Take new toy out of box Or build
2. Plug in and power on new toy
2b (for those who built) wont power on
2c send back bad part and wait for new one
2D reinstall bad part
3. Install drivers
4. Reboot OS
5. Install hardware
6. No workie
7. Update drivers
8. Reboot OS
9. No workie
10. RTFM
11. Search for forum online
12. Find relevant post
13. Apply post instructions
14. Reboot OS
15. Install hardware
16. Install software
17. Repeat steps 4-17 for about 5 hours, then it might work.


Typical "built for pro audio" Installation Process

1. Take new toy out of box
2. Plug in and power up new toy
3. discover all your audio software and hardware is already installed and tested for you
4. Start using new toy.
5. Ask yourself, "Why did I buy a dell/build it myself all these years?"
or why did i spend so much an a MAC all these yrs...



no offence to those who have built thier own. or bought macs in the old days when they were not PCs...

and now of course Mac Pro and Windows Xeons are priced about the same.....
and the exact same system with different OS.


Scott
ADK

[manning1]

qsblues .
with respect mate ive never in all my time useing pc's gone thru 17 steps.
every one has been more like your mac list. seriously.
for example for helping a friend recently i was given a toneport gx as a little present.
i was sceptical..., but i installed it.
worked first time. no hassles.

the only time ive had probs in the past is if a sound device had poor drivers.
nothing to do with the pc.

lets be totally frank here.
my viewpoint.
the win pc market is a huge worldwide market of millions and millions of people.
thus i suspect sound device manufacturers wanting to tap quickly into this huge market
sometimes rush a sound device out before the drivers are mature.
thus the pc gets blamed.
there are also other factors, like poorly configured user pc's.


mac or pc. there are plusses and minuses of each.
but if you doubt that pc users are happy with their pc's...
i suggest you talk to many people running quad core pc's
(eg here on GS and on the reaper cockos.com forums.).
there are lots of happy users.
collins makes a good point. great audio engrs will do great songs on either platform.

[trevort]

No computer is perfect. If it was we wouldn't have to upgrade it every three years or so. I love my Mac but, I am bias. I've used both, actually started with a PC and what a nightmare. I still experience nightmares w/them at work.But,........
What do you use now? PC ? yes? Stick with what works for you.
In the end know one knows or cares (except gear nuts) how you
Recorded/produced your music(end listeners).
It can be done on whatever platform you choose.
I would suggest researching. on the PC side I couldn't tell you what to get.
I get confused on just which version of Xp or whatever to get. Mac has one(at a time)easy.
Do some web searching, check out any kind of articles that suggest "best DAW on PC or something like that.
The MAC vs PC thing can be counter productive depending.
If you want or are using
a PC program and you don't want or need Mac applications
such as Digital Performer or Logic etc... Then you don't need a MAC.
If you do however want to do somethings with Mac based programs
with the capability to still run Windows application's than
Mac's would be the way to go. kind of nice to have one machine that can
"do it all" (for the most part),.
So stay with some kind of PC research and find, or come on over to our
side! (just kidding..... I think?).

Whatever you choose, let the music in your heart decide(insert Violin's)
because this is where the real magic lyes. Not, in the machine.
(I have to wipe a tear from my eye now)

Good luck! Soldier of Sound!

TT