Experiences w/ PTHD Delay Compensation?

[spacewars]

Hi all, and happy holidays..
I'll keep this short:
I may upgrade to PTHD in the new year and an absolutely key reason is the delay compensation. <br>This is because i have all my vintage outboard on I/O inserts and of course with my present Mix system,<br> this means I can't do parallel processing of I/O-inserted analog stuff without phase problems. <br>So, is anyone doing this regularly in HD? Any praise/complaints/experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[drew]

it works perfectly. Just as advertised. It was what convinced me to sell my DMX R100 and go all PT and it's been great. Parallel processing is no problem.

[dave-G]

I'll second that! thumbsup

-dave

[doug_hti]

yup

[SirPatchAlot]

Could you give me an example of how you route signals that you parallel process in the analog domain?
Though the ADC works well with, for example, plug in's on induvidual drum tracks; I haven't had any luck w/ parrallel processing ITB.
For example, if I want to compress a drum submix, and then tuck it in under the same un-compressed mix; I send the drums out into a stereo bus. I then create 2 identical stereo aux inputs w/ identical plug in's, and then bypass all the plugs on one of the aux inputs. ADC doesn't seem to help in this scenario.
Hope my description makes sense.

[drew]

this is HD? I use internal busses to 2 Aux inputs, one with plugs and/or inserts and it works perfectly. No need to insert the same plugs in Bypass.

[SirPatchAlot]

yes HD.
Whenever I try to do this w/o putting the identical plugs on bypass, it's comb filters very obviously

[drew]

you've turned it on in both the Playback Settings and the Operations menu's right?

[Switchcraft]

You gotta always make sure its turned on .

Randy,
I actually prefer to do it the way it was originally explained. The only time I would do it he other way is if I explicitly need to change the mix for the second drum mix.

[doug_hti]

are you on 6.4 or 6.7?

There was a time on 6.4, where they may have calculated their hardware off by a few samples for hardware inserts. I don't know for sure, but I'm on 6.7 now and it's right. And there are still a lot on 6.4 and there hasn't been too much of a stink about it.

Are you choosing long delay?

[Ruudman]

I'm interested in hearing about experiences
on short vs long ADC.

They should behave the same on playback, but you'll never now with
Digi.......

anyone know the converter latency for RME ADi8-Pro?

ruudman

[morpheus]

Although I was skeptical, ADC appears to have made a real difference in my mix quality. It was definitely worth the upgrade.

I am using less and less outboard every day, so it's hard for me to comment on that aspect. I think ADC should help in this area though.

[drew]

that's funny, I'm using more and more outboard now!! cool, glad it's working for you.

[C.Lambrechts]

Originally posted by Ruudman
I'm interested in hearing about experiences
on short vs long ADC.

They should behave the same on playback, but you'll never now with
Digi.......

anyone know the converter latency for RME ADi8-Pro?

ruudman

the only difference between the high and low settings with ADC is the number of samples it will allow to compensate for. 2000 something for low and 4000 something for the high setting ... dunno the numbers by heart. That and of course the dsp power the mixer needs to assign for delay compensation. I've found that in 99/100 situations the low setting is enough in my world. But then again I rarely use those heavy delaying plugs like the waves linear multiband etc....


for the RME .... isn't that somewhere in the manual.

[jho]

Originally posted by djui5
??

They're both the same, except sirpatchalot makes 2 Auxes and bypasses the plug-in's on one to compensate for some comb filtering because he either didn't turn on the ADC right or it's not working right....


Maybe I read something wrong?

Before ADC, instead of using time adjuster or nudging, you could do drum or whatever parallels like that to match the plug in delays. One aux is the dry signal (plugs in bypass) the other aux is the parallel compression channel. Having the plugs on both made the delay the same so no phase issues etc.

Is that what you meant sirpatchalot?

[SirPatchAlot]

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.
I could build my compressed drum mix by using sends as suggested earlier, but:
A)it seems counter-intuitive to me since that's not the way I did my parallel bus compression on analog consoles.
B)I like having all my "tricks" saved on aux inputs so I can easliy import them into a session from a template w/o having to make induvidual changes to the induvidual tracks.