macintosh marketshare now at less than 4%

[genericperson]

but ipod is keeping the money coming in at ipod.

[hmurchison]

Mac marketshare has been sub %4 for over 2 yrs if we're talking worldwide marketshare.

The iPod rocks. But Apple will have to continue to make all the right moves if they want to keep the lead and the $$$$

[drew]

MS marketshare is now above 96%. But the arm twisting and bullying is keeping the money coming in @ microshaft.

what's the point of stupid posts like this?

btw, it's more like 2%.

[bassmac]

Porsche market share is 0.2%

The masses don’t buy hi-end.

[Nerve Nickels]

yeah, there're gonna stick with this mass consumer small gadet market...pda/phone/camera/mp3 playa... me thinks

[James Lehmann]

Originally posted by genericperson
macintosh marketshare now at less than 4%

...as most of the remaining 96% of 'marketshare' is made up of Government employees and Corporate slaves chained to their desks in faceless offices punching numbers into M$ Excel.

No thanks!

[enharmonic]

Of that alleged 4%, how much of the pro-audio and video market does Apple capture?

Qualify that 4% to the market share of PC's in pro audio and video, and this conversation might become relevant to us sluts :)

BTW, while we're talking PC's, if the PC market was a cash cow, why would IBM sell their PC division to China?

[genericperson]

the figuure was for less than 4% worldwide sales. i saw it on tv news segment yesterday. the last % I heard was around 6%, so I thought it was a new figure.

[MattiMattMatt]

At the same time, worldwide use of computers continues to increase, so a 4% marketshare today is better for Apple than a 10% share 15 years ago.

[Henchman]

Originally posted by drew
MS marketshare is now above 96%. But the arm twisting and bullying is keeping the money coming in @ microshaft.

what's the point of stupid posts like this?

btw, it's more like 2%.

Hmm. Sounds liek another company I know. People have no probelm supporting them though.


I still find it funny that peopel always go on about the amrican dream. But when soemone like gates achievs it, people call him the Anti-christ.

I would be more concerned about Halliburton and similar companies who will do anything tfor more power.

At least Bill gates gives away tons of money to charity.

[drew]

Don't even try to compare Apple to MS Henchman, that's crazy. Apple is a spec on the computer industry.

American dream achieved morally is always the better route. Gates does give away a lot of money and I commend him for that. If he really wants to impress people he should give virtually ALL of it away before he dies a la Andrew Carnegie. I AM more concerned about Haliburton and their ilk, too bad our leaders aren't.

[Henchman]

Originally posted by drew
Gates does give away a lot of money and I commend him for that. If he really wants to impress people he should give virtually ALL of it away before he dies a la Andrew Carnegie.

I saw an interview, and that's exactly his plan.

Also, I wasn't comparing Apple to MS. I was comparing MS to a certain DAWcomapny that bullies it's third party developers into NOT making versions that will work on other systems. Which I have from a very reliable source.

Hey, it's not Bills fault that Apple ignored his Idea to license their OS, and basically laughed him out of ther office.

Who's laughing now?

[drew]

good for him, I hope he does it.

How stupid of me..... I should have known, your list starts with Digi and then Apple, my bad.

Hell, Gates owes Apple bigtime. If not for Apple the anti-trust suit would have had some teeth IMO. Besides, Jobs and all at Apple need MS to help define themselves. Bill can laugh all he wants but I doubt the hippies at Apple care much.

[JohnL]

While I certainly have found MS tactics to be less than ideal in the past (and I'm sure a bit of that behavior continues as possible), I don't think you can honestly say that Apple has the consumer's best interests in mind, either.

Whoever wrote that 2% now is better than 10% years ago is probably correct - they don't seem to have too much trouble selling machines.

I still cannot understand why Apple will not code a version of OSX for some other machine than an Apple (not that, at this point, it's really much different or better, functionally, than XP). Actually, I know fully well why they won't do that, and it's plainly stupid business sense.

John

[drew]

Because they would stop selling high margin hardware and be forced to bloat the OS for the lowest common denominator hardware like MS. That's stupid business sense. Apple's renaissance started when Jobs came back and killed the clones in 97.

[Henchman]

Actually, I have nothing against Apple at all. I think they were pretty stupid dropping Logic for PC. I think had they kept it, maybe in the longrun they could have had more users move to Apple. Instead they really alienated users, and added fule to the fire.

I personnally just don't like putting alot of money in computer hardware, and PC's are as good as Mac's in todays market. It really is that simple.

I think the new release of Nuendo will be as good on a MAC as on a PC. I understand they're optimizing it for the G5's.

But, when I can buy a screaming 64bit ready PC laptop for $850,- to do my mobile mixing on, I don't see why I woudl want to spend more to have a different logo on the case.

It's like the AMD/Intel CPU wars. Some people swear by Intels. And teh AMD's did have problems. But now you get much better performance at a lower price.

[Henchman]

Originally posted by drew
That's stupid business sense.

Yeah. Really stupid. Maybe you should write Bill gates and let him know that as well.

[drew]

it is stupid when MS already exists. think Henchman, you're slipping.

[Henchman]

Originally posted by drew
it is stupid when MS already exists. think Henchman, you're slipping.

Nah. You jsut don't understand that by licensing the OS, you would have more manufacturers of hardware. Thus th prices go down. More sales. More Sofwtare licenses. More Money.

[drew]

they were doing that in the mid 90's and the company was going downhill. As soon as Jobs came back, he killed the clones, developed the iMac and the rest is history.

[GilWave]

Originally posted by drew
Apple's renaissance started when Jobs came back and killed the clones in 97.

I was one of the "clones" that he killed. It was a reactionary move on his part, and time will tell whether it was best for Apple or not.

The point previously made about Porsche's market share is well taken. As long as Apple stays profitable, 2-4% of the market is just fine, thank you.

Keep in mind that they own 45% of the Music/Pro Audio market, and 33% worldwide (!) of the MP3 portable market. Not bad.

By the same token, look at the growth of the PC business once IBM opened up the architecture and Gates let any of us OEM his OS and start building, selling, and marketing PCs. How much weath was created, how many jobs, how many entrepreneurs, how many new markets were developed...

Historically, the onslaught of the PC business, which then helped usher in the Internet economy, created the type of weath and financial market that happens maybe one or maybe twice a century, where nothing is the same afterwards.

If it weren't for Bill Gates (warts and all), there'd be no Dell Computer, Gateway, etc.

I'd rather have Bill Gates in the business than out of it.

-g

[Kestral]

Originally posted by enharmonic
Of that alleged 4%, how much of the pro-audio and video market does Apple capture?

According to IDC's 2003 Pro Audio report, 80% of pro audio users are Mac-based.

Pro Tools/Pro Tools LE software dominates at almost 35% of the market.

[JohnL]

Originally posted by drew
Because they would stop selling high margin hardware and be forced to bloat the OS for the lowest common denominator hardware like MS. That's stupid business sense. Apple's renaissance started when Jobs came back and killed the clones in 97.

I don't think I agree with this - if they would come out with a version of OSX for PC's, I'd probably buy a copy tomorrow, just to see if it really did work any better. I understand your point about having to write drivers for every goofy piece of hardware out there, and the possibility for "bloating the code", but to suggest that anything in a G5 is so superior, hardware-wise, to a PC, is wrong, too. They've become a kludge of off the shelf components, just like any other machine.

Frankly, as Gilwave has brought up, I've never quite forgiven Apple for killing the clone market, as that proved once and for all they simply couldn't compete - the clones were instantly better machines. If Microsoft started locking people out of the hardware side of PC's, I don't think anyone would be as benevolent to them.

If the G5 (or equivalent desktop, expandable machine) ever goes away, that's the end of the Mac as a professional machine, unless we're all going to run PT on an IMac.

John

[adzski]

[quote]Originally posted by drew
[b]Because they would stop selling high margin hardware and be forced to bloat the OS for the lowest common denominator hardware like MS. [quote]

:-)))
Its really quite some job MS have acheived with XP. To think this OS installs on the myriad combos of hardware out there AND runs as efficiently as OSX is astounding. Hats off.

adzski

[peter893]

Originally posted by adzski
:-)))
Its really quite some job MS have acheived with XP. To think this OS installs on the myriad combos of hardware out there AND runs as efficiently as OSX is astounding. Hats off.

adzski

Window Xp Does not run as effectively as OS X... come on....

[Henchman]

Originally posted by peter893
Window Xp Does not run as effectively as OS X... come on....

Yeah, it does. Hate to burst your bubble.

[Henchman]

I guess making yourself believe that XP isn't as good as OSX helps justify spending way more money on an average computer.

[adzski]

Originally posted by peter893
Window Xp Does not run as effectively as OS X... come on....

I would argue that in many ways it is_more effective. You have to give both platforms an equal try out before judging.
Also, what has apple really brought to the table with core audio? There's no real mouth-openers there, and of course OSXers will have to wait...upgrade...upgrade software etc etc ad infinitum. Very tedious indeed.

cheers,
adzski

[StefanColson]

Let's all remember that while Gates did steal most of his GUI ideas from apple, apple stole theirs from Xerox to begin with.

Since around the time when the P3 came out (right when Intel clock speeds really started to pull ahead) the PC has been a far superior platform in terms of hardware. It's still true with the G5. A single Athlon64 system will smoke a dual G5 at the same clock speeds in most applications. Not to mention with the PC you will have many more lower cost options when it comes to high performance components (RAM, HD's, etc). I put together a very quiet Athlon64 2.2ghz system, with a gig of DDR400, a 240gb RAID 0 HD array, DVD burner and all that jazz, dual head video, etc for around a thousand bucks. A competing G5 would have been like three times that much, and I have the superior piece of hardware for what I'm doing. The only thing driving Apple for almost 5 years now is a group of diehard zealots that will praise everything the company does and accept every little upgrade they throw their way. There was a time when Apple had a superior product, but that time is over and the typical mac supporters attitude of "Oh thank you Steve for gracing us with your products" really only hurts the platform.

[Henchman]

I can't believe they still haven't incorporated the 2 button mouse in their basic system.