Making EQs sound like other EQs

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by Mantik

but i have found out, that this is not the point. what counts for me is the workflow, with some eqs i just come to a very fine sounding solutions very fast (urs cs pro is my fav) and with others the same result would take me just longer

i kinda agree with this. it is good for me to have eq of varying flexibility so it makes me approach the job differently and maybe not so surgically.

i love the following
Renn EQ
Sonnox
EMI TG Mastering
V-Series

that's it, don't need more than that!

[jval]

this is interesting...

what if you did a test with the SSL plugs on a bunch of tracks, then tried to match those with the REQ and compared the final result. Maybe you'd start to hear what the SSL plugs were adding aside from the EQ curves....
personally, I am too lazy to do this, but I'm still curious.

[warhead]

I dare anyone to get a Waves EQ to sound like the Pultec on the UAD cards.

That one stands apart from the pack!

War

[zilver]

Originally Posted by warhead

I dare anyone to get a Waves EQ to sound like the Pultec on the UAD cards.

That one stands apart from the pack!

War

That would make a nice exercise.
Can you post a small unprocessed sample and the eq-ed version ? They should be precisely delay compensated.....
Then we could try to match.

Cheers, Hans

[duckoff]

Here's a little test I did

I did a test trying to copy Waves V series with Logic Channel Eq using white noise & an analyser. I matched the curve of each band one at a time & then combined them.

- Here's an spectrum analysis of the 2 resulting curves ( White noise ->V series & Channel Eq )

- The mp3 cuts from a dry loop to one eq, then to the other ( see logic screenshot for where the edits are )

- I shan't tell you which one is which.

[Kenton]

Originally Posted by Spyrow

And of course the Waves "Analog" button is doing something else. Some compression, saturation, harmonic distortion... but again, that's another thing. A digital EQ is a digital EQ.

The Waves SSL saturation algorithm is active all the time on the Channel Strips but it's NOT present on the G-EQ plugin.
It's a simulation of the distortion characteristics of the VCA in the SSL desk.

The "analog" switch just adds hiss.....


Yes, really.

[rhythminmind]

I have done a lot of research as of late.
As was stated with digital EQ's you can have EQ+X added.
If you take away X, the saturation, the upsampling, different internal bit resolutions, & so on. & just compare EQ. All digital EQ's of the same design are near identical technically.

Now lets clear up the different types of digital designs.

1. Parametric/Series - "PEQ".
(These are the most common track EQ's, Most channelstrips, Waves C, Most Native DAW eq's, it's never ending. )

2. parallel - More uncommon in the digital world. Algorithmix has it.

3. Linear phase - Mastering EQ

These 3 types will be different.
But all these digital emulations are crap&hype. Get a fully variable PEQ like the one that comes native with your host & a saturation plug. You can recreate just about any classic console EQ you have heard.

Now read this from algorithmix Algorithmix

The truth is that with a properly designed, fully parametric analytic PEQ, every amplitude and phase characteristic of any other equalizer setup can be recreated. Of course, the contribution of distortions to the specific sound of a particular analog equalizer caused by the respective electronics has to be considered. If the distortions are ‘good’, they may make certain applications sound better.

Now compressors are a different story.

[dualflip]

I would like to see the HYPOTETIC results of this test done if for example 2 analog eq's, say a Pultec and a SSL EQ, the fact that one is solid state and the other is not, will make a difference, the fact that they both have different trafos, will make a difference, but i mean, if you could take all those things apart and leave the EQ filtering alone, will they sound the same???, that intrigues me....

I must add, than in an attempt to gain popullarity, digidesign did a test where they mixed some songs using the Waves SSL and real SSL console, the main sound is there, but there IS an audible difference, i must add that in my opinion, is not a very accuarate test, i mean, they didnt used VCA's on the SSL which gives a color to sound, its probably a static mix, and what i dont know is if they did the summing in the SSL master bus or not which also makes a big difference.

Here is the link if anyone wants to check it out:
Digidesign | Community | Articles & User Stories | Pro Tools vs. Analog Console Mixing

[Lagerfeldt]

Originally Posted by JPZ

I think that the Logic eq's and comps (all Logic's plugins for that matter) are the best non 3rd party plugs out there. Simple, good sounding and easy on the eyes (I hate it when plugs try to look like the actual gear and thus sacrifice ease of use). I have no problems using them in place of Waves or URS etc...

Absolutely.

Especially as the Logic EQ is 99,98% (100% in some cases) identical in sound to most other minimum phase equalizers, and the Logic compressor is actually able to replicate the Waves SSL very closely if set correctly.

[theblotted]

the regular Logic EQ sounds great on its own.

the Linear Phase EQ however, introduces ridiculous amounts of delay, even if PDC is on. great for mastering, terrible for mixing.