Is Logic Pro 7 a credible alternative to Pro tools for audio editing/mixing?

[amundsen]

Hello,

After having sticked to Pro Tools LE for almost ten years, I am thinking about switching to Logic Pro because MIDI editing is much easier in Logic but when it comes to audio editing I am not so sure. By the way, what about mixing?

Any opinion welcome!

Thank you in advance.

[kenn.michael]

I prefer mixing in Logic rather than ProTools... but that's mainly because of my particular workflow and also because after using Logic for 10 years, I can push it to its limits. If you decide to look at Logic as a mixing/editing alternative to ProTools, you're going to have to forget about a lot of what you know in ProTools. Operations are 'different' between the two softwares, but you can pretty much achieve the same results depending on your skill level. I've had very experienced PT engineers watch me record, edit and mix in Logic, and be amazed at my speed. I've been using PT since it was ProDeck and ProEdit, so I am pretty experienced myself in PT's software capablilties... But what I really love in Logic is its customizability. I have a HUGE working environment in Logic which is custom fit to me like a glove... But it took me many years to hone and develop my own working style...

Sorry to get so deep!!!

Again, if you're thinking about Logic, just have an open mind. But I've produced and mixed many records on Logic with no issues. Their included plugins/instruments sound GREAT, and on a Dual G5, you'll have IMMENSE power at your fingertips.

[amundsen]

Thank you for your answer Michael, however my main concern is really editing because I am using Pro Tools as a composition tool. I often have hundreths of audio regions in one session.

Do you think it's OK to handle so many sounds in Logic?

Also, what about the four editing modes of Pro Tools. Do they have equivalents in Logic?

[BevvyB]

I've been composing in Logic forever. I wouldn't dream of composing in Pro Tools.

Saying that, Pro Tools has it's uses!

[Ruudman]

I compose in Logic,
mix in PT.
I hate to use 2 programs, but I hate mixing in Logic even more...

ruudman

[logichead]

I'm a bit of a Pro Tools moron, but there are some editing functions that PT is better at and some that Logic is better at.

PT: tab to transient, beat detective/ sound replacer

Logic: midi, comping (no alt. playlists to get in and out of)

Also, Logic's soft synths are amazing.

That said, Pro Tools "sounds" tighter. With Logic, I wonder if parts are floating around by a few samples here and there with each playback.

Sadly, the answer is to have both.

Best....H

[kenn.michael]

Originally posted by amundsen
Thank you for your answer Michael, however my main concern is really editing because I am using Pro Tools as a composition tool. I often have hundreths of audio regions in one session.

Do you think it's OK to handle so many sounds in Logic?

Also, what about the four editing modes of Pro Tools. Do they have equivalents in Logic?

It's fine to have that many regions in Logic...

Also, Logic 7 has snap to different modes (bar, beat, format (customizable musical value), frame, quarter frame, tick, etc...) ... and it has two different shuffle modes. Again, editing works in Logic, but not necessarily the same way you would do it in PT. The tools are a bit different, but now that you can assign a tool or the toolbox to your right mouse button, things have gotten even quicker for me.

[alphajerk]

credibility only is as good as the user.

[Ruudman]

I'd like to see a Matrix editor window in PT, just by
doubleclicking a midi-region.

BTW, in PT 6.7 a track can be set to be tick-based, then
you can switch between that and abs.


ruudman

[anodecathode]

Has anyone tried out PT 6.7? They have supposedly enhanced the midi/sequencing/soft synth features. Its not exactly getting rave reviews on the DUC.. Apparently it is rabid with bugs.. However it does show an effort on Digi's part to gain more credibility in an area of PT that has been very lacking.

I think I'll wait for 6.7.2

scott

[Henchman]

I would go Nuendo. Best of Both worlds.

excellent midi. great audio.

Logic sucks for audio becasue you can't do somple accurate editing in the arrange windw. And no automatic plug-in delay compensation.

[Rab]

Originally posted by Ruudman
I compose in Logic,
mix in PT.
I hate to use 2 programs, but I hate mixing in Logic even more...

ruudman

Ditto. God knows I've tried to make it happen completely on one platform, but I still find Logic relatively clumsy for complicated audio editing and mixing, and PT's MIDI weakness is obvious.

If you're mixing an audio project, Pro Tools (TDM) is fast, responsive, accurate and clutter-free. The plug-ins are great and automation is, again, clear and straight-to-the-point. Also (important for me), because PT is not very customisable, I can pick up other guys' work and run with it straight away cf. having to figure out some heavily-customised Logic environment.

My ideal rig is a dual-computer system. Logic on one machine for MIDI with audio (from software instruments) piped into Pro Tools for editing and mixing.

[Exmun]

Originally posted by Henchman
Logic sucks for audio becasue you can't do somple accurate editing in the arrange windw. And no automatic plug-in delay compensation.

Well, I wouldn't say it 'sucks,' but I would agree that they need to fix that stuff with the quickness (like two years ago).

[DrDeltaM]

Originally posted by kenn.michael
The tools are a bit different, but now that you can assign a tool or the toolbox to your right mouse button, things have gotten even quicker for me.

I assigned a key to each of the most important tools, very handy. Another example of the great customisation of Logic

Check out what the SRC does to your audio in Logic. It ain't pretty.

[muziekschuur]

Could you please explain yourself, what is SRC?


Muziekschuur

[King Tubby]

This is what the chap was talking about


http://www.audioease.com/Pages/Barba...a4SRCTest.html

[kenn.michael]

Originally posted by Lowdbrent
Check out what the SRC does to your audio in Logic. It ain't pretty.

SRC completely rewritten for Logic 7. Not the same as the examples in AudioEase's website.

[Lostintheocean0]

Also for midi... dont forget reason....

[Exmun]

Originally posted by muziekschuur
Could you please explain yourself, what is SRC?


Muziekschuur

SRC = sample rate conversion.

[morpheus]

Originally posted by amundsen

After having sticked to Pro Tools LE for almost ten years, I am thinking about switching to Logic Pro because MIDI editing is much easier in Logic but when it comes to audio editing I am not so sure.

I call troll. Pro Tools LE has been available for less than five years... fuuck

[cannikin]

Stay with PT LE. SRC in Logic has a long way to go.

[kenn.michael]

Originally posted by cannikin
Stay with PT LE. SRC in Logic has a long way to go.

SRC in Logic 7 is NOT what is was in Logic 6.

[cannikin]

Originally posted by kenn.michael
SRC in Logic 7 is NOT what is was in Logic 6.

Do you know how the improvements in Logic 7 compare to PT?

I'm just curious, Its Information that I have been trying to find. I agree that Logic 7 does sound better than Logic 6.

[kenn.michael]

Originally posted by cannikin
Do you know how the improvements in Logic 7 compare to PT?

I'm just curious, Its Information that I have been trying to find. I agree that Logic 7 does sound better than Logic 6.

To my ears, Logic 7 and PT are now comparable to each other as far as SRC is concerned...

Logic 6's SRC was HORRIBLE...

[arimaka]

Originally posted by kenn.michael
To my ears, Logic 7 and PT are now comparable to each other as far as SRC is concerned...

Logic 6's SRC was HORRIBLE...

Couldn't agree more!!!!

I feel lots of improvements in 7, but I hope they bring new coreaudio engine soon in Panther and improve the logic sound, plus add PDC, sample edit in the arrange, being able to do what you do in audio config in the mixer window, and all that kind of stuff...

I love logic, it's my main mixing platform now and I prefer it to PT LE, even for mixing. But one of the reasons why i run it is that i expect apple to improve these features for engineers like myself that want to mix in logic, or do massive audio editing, or to incorporate it to an analog board for mixdown...

you always see logic as a composition tool, but few of us use it as a mix tool as well... Apple will surely want to dig into that market and will improve all those features

[Roger Starr]

Why not havind NUENDO and having it now, instead of maybe tomorrow with LogicPro?

Roger

[Nathan Boddy]

Been working on Logic for 10 years, I use a lot of audio(hundreds of audio regions) and have no problems, its worth souping up the RAM on your Mac if anything.

I must confess to being a bit stubburn/scared of upgrading from version 6 Pro to 7.

Regards
Nathan

[JHanks]

Originally posted by Roger Starr
Why not havind NUENDO and having it now, instead of maybe tomorrow with LogicPro?

Roger

Why?

I've used Nuendo and own Cubase SX and I still prefer Logic. A lot of us do...Go figure...

[C.Lambrechts]

Protools fan here ... no secret about that. I used to use Logic , yes actually use it as in work in it ... did everything midi related in it. FWIW, I grew up using Pro 12 / Pro 24 / Notator / Cubase on Atari's etc etc etc ... ended up doing everything in Prtools ever since PT5. The point where imho midi started actually to be worth it for my day to day use. For the record, I hate midi and go by the 'get in and out of there as fast as humanly possible' whenever I can ... meaning I do almost everything in audio and if then use midi and record it to audio in a quiet early stage of the arrangement. (if I have to change something I'll simply re-record the midi).

I still have Logic 6 installed, soon Logic 7 ... clients sometimes bring in Logic files and it's handy to have around ... occasional score printing etc ... Logic rules for midi ... simple as that and even if Protools tries to do their best, I doubt they are actually serious about even thinking they can catch up. Protools is an audio environment with very usefull midi features. For me Logic is the same but the other way around. A midi environment with audio possibilities. Tick based audio tracks since PT 6.7 was a very welcome addition ... the other added midi stuff like tempo tracks etc etc ... sure ... but I doubt I will use 'em more then maybe 10 times in the next decade so from that perspective I couldn't care less.

I can completely understand people in the arranging / composing business looking at Logic or DP or the likes. DP probably being the most underrated programm out there because if I HAD to switch today it would definately be to DP and not Logic.

For tracking / mixing / editing audio however ... Protools ... no doubt whatsoever. And that goes for music / post / stereo / surround / whatever ...