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Old 23rd June 2008   #1
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Elastic Audio in Action - Kenny Gioia's Videos

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Elastic Time in Action - Pro Tools 7.4 Power PAK

Kenny Gioia has done it again!

This time Kenny focuses on Pro Tools 7.4’s incredible Elastic Time feature. This collection of video tutorials will leave you amazed by how much you can bend and twist audio with no weird sounding artifacts when correctly using Elastic Time. Using it on multi-tracked drums, bass, guitars and vocals, Kenny covers it all and shows you how to tighten up tracks, make groovy beats, remix vocals, and create special effects.

If you need to polish up your track’s feel and really perfect them, Elastic Time is the way to go…

Elastic TIme in Action

Total Videos = 14
Total Runtime = Over 2.5 Hours

01. Elastic Time Basics (09:10) – Learn how Elastic Time works and all about the different modes and which one to pick for the job.

02. Working with Loops (11:32) – See how a real producer works with loops using Elastic Time and Pro Tool’s Workspace Browser.

03. Extracting & Importing Grooves (09:48) - Discover how to extract and import grooves from one loop and apply them using Elastic Time to the other tracks in your session.

04. Multi-Track Drums (27:30) – Watch Kenny take multi-track recorded drums and get them in the groove, all while preserving the phasing of the drum tracks using Elastic Time.

05. Quantizing Bass (12:24) - See how to fix an out of time bass guitar track using Elastic Time and get it tight and right.

06. Acoustic Guitars (09:26) – Discover how to properly fix stereo acoustic guitars and adjust their feel using Elastic Time.

07. Electric Guitars (16:21) – Learn the secrets of using Elastic Time on electric guitars.

08. Conforming Vocals to Tempo (09:56) – Watch step by step as Kenny makes an acapella vocal fit into a track. This is a must see for anyone doing remixes.

09. Rephrasing Vocals (08:00) – Now that you have perfect “in time” vocal tracks, see how to change them up and make new vocal parts.

10. Align & Double Vocals (9:43) – See how to correct timing as well as thicken and fatten up vocals by using Elastic Time.

11. Background Vocals (07:06) – Learn how to tighten up sustaining stacked background vocals using Elastic Time.

12. Change Entire Song Tempo (10:33) – See Kenny’s method for taking an entire song and changing its tempo up and or down, with no artifacts, using Elastic Time.

13. Fixing No Click Reference Drums (05:24) – Have drums that weren’t played to a click track? Want them to be in time to your session’s click / grid? Just watch this video.

14. Varispeed Special FX (07:11) – See cool ways to use Varispeed mode to add pitch varying effects to your tracks, including individual drums and fills.

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Great news. Really enjoy your other 2 titles.

Is there any discount scheme for owners of your previous 2 titles?

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I actually bought PT so I could use Elastic Audio (I don't cut to a click 99% of the time). Just watching that sample video is great. I'm going to have to buy this for sure.
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Looks very interesting. I'm looking forward to learn how to Extract and Import Grooves, I only know how to do that with Beat Detective.
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Hey Kenny,

Congrats on Volume 3! I will def. be picking up a copy, just got upgrade to PT 7.4 first, Hah hah.

Quick question... having invested the time into making this DVD and getting to grips with Elastic Audio are you finding you are preferring it to Beat Detective given the choice of the 2?

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I definitely prefer it to Beat Detective. Not even close.

It's ability to "grid" just the Kick and Snare while leaving the Hi-Hat or Snare ghost notes alone is a no-brainer for me. BD either quantizes those things or makes you choose between the next or last hit. EA stretches it so the Hi Hat or ghost notes are exactly where they were hit, in proportion to what you stretch.

It's also better for just fixing smaller sections because the transition back to the unfixed section is perfectly smooth. BD made you keep fixing until you wound up gridding the whole song.

And unlike BD, EA works great on guitars, piano, bass etc. Pretty much everything except for pads and heavy sustained guitars.

I'm hooked.
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Hey Kenny,

In what situations might you choose BD over EA? Just wondering, as I'm struggling to see a significant benefit of one over the other since 7.4, apart from extracting grooves...

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Hey Kenny,

In what situations might you choose BD over EA? Just wondering, as I'm struggling to see a significant benefit of one over the other since 7.4, apart from extracting grooves...

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You need Beat Detective for extracting grooves or for creating tempo markers.

I still use it for Sound Replacement purposes also.

It's probably better for loops or percussion than EA simply because those sources don't need to be finessed as much. Just a quick quantize and you're done.

For just about everything else, I prefer Elastic Audio. It just allows you to use it less which can only be a good thing IMHO.
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I bought this last night. I track on a PT rig and I hope I can learn to do this fast enough to let everybody go to lunch after doing drums and have everything on time for when they get back to do guitars and vocals.
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I checked out the 'demo ' last night and liked it a lot.

I'm going to order this.


One thing though...

As a 'foreigner' I would prefer you spoke e little slower explaining stuff.
When English is not your main language,
its a bit hard sometimes to follow.

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Hey Kenny, just checking in with you if there was any discount for previous customers? I purchased already though.

Great vids!

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The discount question has been asked twice now. Don't you think if there was a discount it would have either been announced by now or a link would have been provided already or been easily visible on the grooveboxmusic.com website??


I paid for the previous 2 tutorial volumes and I will gladly pay the full price of this one just from watching the sample video. Kenny deserves it! His tutorials are the best out there!! Pay the man!!

BTW, Kenny, your tutorials have helped me become a Black Belt in Pro Tools. I am hoping this will take me to Ninja status.
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Good work Kenny
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Nice demo Kenny.
I'll have to buy the video now. For the money it seems like a great deal.

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Export ELA from PT to 2 channels masterfiles

Hello KG!

I just bought your videos. I plan to find the time to look to all of them soon. I think ELA is a brilliant tool for mixing/music creation. Big thanks for your effort doing this!

I have a question for you though:
Today I had to convert a 2 channel master from 101 bpm to 103 bpm. Not much but you want to do it the absolutely best way you/PT can right!
Ok, so I Import those files to my session. Put ELA to Tic/polyphonic mode, Switch the tempo of the song and bam!! its there!! Great! The files plays in new tempo
But now then. What are your findings of what technique to use to export those files with the highest resolution possible to a 2 channel split master.
First you want to use the X-form algoritm right. Does BTD do that? does consolidate tracks do that?
I must say I have a hard time to find some really good some info about this paricular issue and how to export those the absolutely best way.
What do you think is the best way to export those files from PT?

Thanks and
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Hello KG!

I just bought your videos. I plan to find the time to look to all of them soon. I think ELA is a brilliant tool for mixing/music creation. Big thanks for your effort doing this!

I have a question for you though:
Today I had to convert a 2 channel master from 101 bpm to 103 bpm. Not much but you want to do it the absolutely best way you/PT can right!
Ok, so I Import those files to my session. Put ELA to Tic/polyphonic mode, Switch the tempo of the song and bam!! its there!! Great! The files plays in new tempo
But now then. What are your findings of what technique to use to export those files with the highest resolution possible to a 2 channel split master.
First you want to use the X-form algoritm right. Does BTD do that? does consolidate tracks do that?
I must say I have a hard time to find some really good some info about this paricular issue and how to export those the absolutely best way.
What do you think is the best way to export those files from PT?

Thanks and
Set the track to X-Form render, then switch ELA off and commit. After that export the region from the regions list.

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Set the track to X-Form render, then switch ELA off and commit. After that export the region from the regions list.

Thank you!

Well, this way may be sounding the best but I cant for my life figure out why my computer cant do this

Or I must be doing something wrong couse my files turnes grey and then nothing happends. You would think that PT is rendering the files at this moment but PT doesnt do anything to my files and the drive is dead quiet so it is not rendering the files at all. What am I doing wrong? Is there a know software bug Im not aware about?

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Im a dickhead!!!!!!!

Ok I solved it....sorry

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Hello KG!

I just bought your videos. I plan to find the time to look to all of them soon. I think ELA is a brilliant tool for mixing/music creation. Big thanks for your effort doing this!

I have a question for you though:
Today I had to convert a 2 channel master from 101 bpm to 103 bpm. Not much but you want to do it the absolutely best way you/PT can right!
Ok, so I Import those files to my session. Put ELA to Tic/polyphonic mode, Switch the tempo of the song and bam!! its there!! Great! The files plays in new tempo
But now then. What are your findings of what technique to use to export those files with the highest resolution possible to a 2 channel split master.
First you want to use the X-form algoritm right. Does BTD do that? does consolidate tracks do that?
I must say I have a hard time to find some really good some info about this paricular issue and how to export those the absolutely best way.
What do you think is the best way to export those files from PT?

Thanks and

Although X-Form is supposed to sound the best, i would listen before I committed to it.

The Rhythmic algorithm is supposed to be the best on percussion or drums. Drums might sound worse on X-Form.
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Np's

As above what Kenny said too
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The Rhythmic algorithm is supposed to be the best on percussion or drums. Drums might sound worse on X-Form.
I've found that in Rhythmic cymbals tend to sound weird, specifically at the end of sections, where there's a hit and the cymbal rings out, do you know what I mean? In those cases (most of the time) there's a point where the cymbal will have a voulme drop, I don't know why it does that, I've tried different decay settings but what seems to do the job is changing to Polyphonic, so now I almost always work with Polyphonic when editing drums.
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I've found that in Rhythmic cymbals tend to sound weird, specifically at the end of sections, where there's a hit and the cymbal rings out, do you know what I mean? In those cases (most of the time) there's a point where the cymbal will have a voulme drop, I don't know why it does that, I've tried different decay settings but what seems to do the job is changing to Polyphonic, so now I almost always work with Polyphonic when editing drums.
I have noticed the same thing. What's really weird is that it happens even if there's nothing stretched in that section. Like the end of the song. It should sound perfect but it doesn't.

What I'm gonna try is separating those regions and applying no EA. Maybe turn off or delete all the event markers on that region and just manually move it on the grid. Then crossfade it with the rest of the song. I'll report back on this one.

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conforming vocals to tempo

Dear Kenny
sorry for hijacking this thread a little. How do you usually get rid of the "yodeling" "glitch" effect on bar 12 of your "conforming vocals to tempo" tutorial, where he sings "world"? I frequently run into this type of effect and don't know a real good solution for this.
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I've found that in Rhythmic cymbals tend to sound weird, specifically at the end of sections, where there's a hit and the cymbal rings out, do you know what I mean? In those cases (most of the time) there's a point where the cymbal will have a voulme drop, I don't know why it does that, I've tried different decay settings but what seems to do the job is changing to Polyphonic, so now I almost always work with Polyphonic when editing drums.
OK. I think I solved this and it should be the best way because it involves no stretching on the long cymbal hold outs.

I tried separating the region but it didn't fix it. So then I cut the warp markers off that new region. Still not fixed. So then I deleted the event markers on that region. Still no good. Finally I highlighted that region and hit the menu "remove warp". Success!!!

Then I just crossfade that region manually into the surrounding regions.

Done!!!!!!!

Rhythmic mode assumes that the most important stuff is at the beginning, so it does all the bad stretchy stuff towards the end where no one will hear it. It makes perfect sense except for cymbal holds.

I know some people use Poly mode on just the overheads to correct this but IMHO it's a compromise. I don't like to compromise.
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sorry for hijacking this thread a little. How do you usually get rid of the "yodeling" "glitch" effect on bar 12 of your "conforming vocals to tempo" tutorial, where he sings "world"? I frequently run into this type of effect and don't know a real good solution for this.
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That video really did some heavy stretching. I don't usually do that much in my own productions.
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OK. I think I solved this and it should be the best way because it involves no stretching on the long cymbal hold outs.

I tried separating the region but it didn't fix it. So then I cut the warp markers off that new region. Still not fixed. So then I deleted the event markers on that region. Still no good. Finally I highlighted that region and hit the menu "remove warp". Success!!!

Then I just crossfade that region manually into the surrounding regions.

Done!!!!!!!

Rhythmic mode assumes that the most important stuff is at the beginning, so it does all the bad stretchy stuff towards the end where no one will hear it. It makes perfect sense except for cymbal holds.

I know some people use Poly mode on just the overheads to correct this but IMHO it's a compromise. I don't like to compromise.
Anyone else having good luck with this technique?

Thanks.
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Are these methods applicable to using Logic instead of PT? In logic you can map beats however I am pretty sure its works a bit differently than in PT.
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Are these methods applicable to using Logic instead of PT? In logic you can map beats however I am pretty sure its works a bit differently than in PT.
I really don't know Logic anymore but I don't think they have anything like EA.
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