Logic 7 "B afraid, B very afraid!!!!"

[captain54]

Originally posted by Exmun
I think the real beef with Logic's features has more to do with what you use Logic for, as with everything else. My most important use of Logic is mixing.

I don't know what type of music you are doing, but for my purposes, (more vintage, analog, blues, etc.) mixing in Logic ain't happening....

we've done more than a few side by sides and mixing out to a discreet console and then to tape blows the digital mixes clear out of the water....

quite possibly though, electronic, ambient, synth based type of stuff might be perfectly fine mixing in Logic....

maybe Apple/Emagic has more up it's sleeve than most give it credit for....it's obvious they are trying to toe the line given their user base...

[DAWgEAR]

Originally posted by Exmun
I would agree, there's absolutly nothing wrong with Logic for basic recording.

If you already have tracks routed to groups and busses and are subsequently trying to record new overdubs, lack of delay compensation can be problematic.

[mersisblue]

big baby

sample accurate editing is an issue since comb filtering can be a product of not having it

I was working on censoring a song using samples from the song and with logics editing could only get close enough to cause filtering

so ADC on the top of the list then editing IMO

[pounce]

Originally posted by mersisblue

so ADC on the top of the list then editing IMO

absolutely agreed. it seems that's everyones top two requests. that's meat and potato type functional stuff. i would like to see that stuff soon. i'd like to see apple deliver the goods on that in a free update to logic 7.

[Exmun]

Originally posted by captain54
I don't know what type of music you are doing, but for my purposes, (more vintage, analog, blues, etc.) mixing in Logic ain't happening....

I totally agree with you. See my rantings above. I should have said something like "my most important use of a DAW" is mixing. I've been doing workarounds in Logic to accomplish this, but as my above posts indicate, I've gotten very frustrated to the point of switching after using Logic since version 3.

[MattiMattMatt]

At this point, I have to say that my biggest beef with Logic is that it has yet to arrive.

Talk about "delay compensation"??!!

I'm having to compensate for a delay of a couple of weeks!

Get here, dammit, get here.

[James Lehmann]

I'd like to chip in here with the (much over-looked in the v7 furore) Waveburner issue...

This infuriating but useful program HAS been finally updated for OS-X and included with Logic 7 but can you believe it - it won't load sessions from previous versions!! 8 years of mastering sessions suddenly rendered obsolete. WTF?

[lukejs]

Originally posted by BrianT
The above post may get framed and put on the wall as an excellent example of an Apple apologist in action.

The fact is that Logic is the only major DAW without ADC. Why does it matter? Because computers are supposed to be doing the math, not musicians. ADC enables you/me/us to be musical and not mathmatical as we work. Seems a little more creatively productive, to me anyway.

I'd say maintaining proper phase alignment of the music without having to geekishly calculate plugin values and slide the audio around is a good thing. I'd say being able to add summed busses back into the mix in realtime is a good thing. People wanting to be able to focus on music and not math "is just an excuse for people who can't make good music"? Really? I disagree. I don't think complaining about late delivery of a missing feature that has proven to be quite condusive to focusing on the music equates to not being able to make good music. Maybe people who don't notice the sonic phase issues and missing creative options that the lack of ADC mandates need to raise their standards a bit.

Don't drink the Koolaid, people.

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Dude ! You hit the nail on the head here !!! Damn Right !!!

[cdog]

I'm still bummed they dropped Windows support for Logic, but made Itunes Windows compatible. I sold all my Apple shares last year

[h4nc0]

People bitched about full ADC since Logic 5.X. Not just regular users, but beta testers. After years, it's still not there but there are bunch of new soft synths instead.

It seems to me that emapple is directly competing with Reason now. You know what? I am really sick of bitching about this and that feature Logic lacks for years. I give up! You win, Emapple! fuuck

[bigbaby987]

Originally posted by mersisblue
big baby

sample accurate editing is an issue since comb filtering can be a product of not having it

I was working on censoring a song using samples from the song and with logics editing could only get close enough to cause filtering

so ADC on the top of the list then editing IMO

mersis i have edited curse words from songs from many years and i don't see where logic really falls short. i'm not arguing with you, i just don't see where it falls that short. i have edited much more fragile stuff than a couple of curse words with logic...i've edited words to make new words in logic and it does it extremely well. oh well, i hope that i works out for you soon. i do understand frustration. i have the same frustration with an editing program named dalet.

[mersisblue]

its not the editing but the comb filtering that ahppens as a result

I like logic editing "flow"

[jdunn]

And now the Logic 7 forum over at Apple Discussions is up to 597 topics! And it's only been open for less than a month. Now, that's just sheer madness folks. People all posting the same thing...."I got screwed, I'm so mad, etc..."

There are a few valid threads over there, such as George Bellas' bug list, but mostly it's all the same story. So, yeah.... looks like I'm not gonna bother w/ Logic 7 unless I find something I can't live without. Gonna check out some other simple MIDI program like Intuem, which costs $80.

Then maybe I'll upgrade my copy of MOTU Audiodesk that came w/ my 896 to Audiodesk 2 for $150. Or I suppose I could just check out DP 4.5 at that point, we'll see. Thank god I still have a Fairlight Merlin proprietary DAW and a Sony DMX console for real audio editing and mixing.

I like how there's a guy on the Apple Discussion forums with the name 'Audacity Works'. That's pretty funny. I guess I'll try that too. Always seemed crashy in the past.

Most of these programs that try to do everything end up sucking eventually.

[mac black]

Logic 7 keeps crashing ... or is it the accel system and I thought 7 wouldn't crash...

[cl516]

DAMNITMAN they need a f@#$ing update now.

Crash.
With accel,
Without accel,
Plugins,
NO plugins,
Move a scrollbar,
load up a faulty audiounit,
twitch your left eyebrow too much...

eitherway,

my shite crashes once a day at least.
after a clean reformat and reinstall of my whole system.

[mersisblue]

well I thought Id add Ive had it for a week or so and Its stable for me

[jdunn]

This may have been said already, but didn't Logic have the ability to use VST plugins at one time? Version 4 was it? That's the thing that really bothers me, the whole format wars crap. Why on earth would it be a good thing to take away the ability to use VST plugins?

As I said before, programs that try to do everything end up sucking. The code gets too bloated and difficult to manage. Seemingly obvious tweaks or improvements become vaporware projects. Too bad.

[Switchcraft]

I have had it for about 3 days. i have written three tracks. It hasnt crashed. the new features are dope. its much more ergonomic, easy to use. stable, the effects are great, the amp sim is much better than amplitube. whats with all the wining. jeees. Did i get a better version than you?

[Stick]

Originally posted by James Lehmann
I'd like to chip in here with the (much over-looked in the v7 furore) Waveburner issue...

This infuriating but useful program HAS been finally updated for OS-X and included with Logic 7 but can you believe it - it won't load sessions from previous versions!! 8 years of mastering sessions suddenly rendered obsolete. WTF?

Where is this Waveburner app with Logic 7? I'd never used it in the past, so I'm not sure what I'm looking for...

[ToddS]

Logic 7 looks great. I am anxious to try it out. Anyone using a G5 tried to max it out yet? how is the performance?

[mersisblue]

Originally posted by Stick
Where is this Waveburner app with Logic 7? I'd never used it in the past, so I'm not sure what I'm looking for...

applications

[Stick]

Originally posted by mersisblue
applications

Ah HAAAAAA! Somebody should've used the little search thing in the Finder windows, eh?

Thanks.

[slo19xxl]

Hi to all!!(and excuse me for my "Tarzanian english"

It's not clear to me why are you all the time complaining for missing audio capabilities in LOGIC?
It seems to me that all of you wish to have "all in one DAW" by using just LOGIC. Try to remember MIDI possibilities in this program which are BY FAR THE BEST, not comparable with any other software, remember environment, MIDI tools, hyperdraw, matrix, score (which based on my opinion is the best integrated score writing software built in any MIDI/AUDIO program, I'm not talking Sibelius or Finale, which are only scoring softwares)
Is anybody still doing MIDI programming, or just trying to connect together various loops (which I hate) and trying to emulate expensive audio mixing console with a piece of software worth about 1000$. Why don't you use analog SSL or NEVE for mixing, or at least trying to integrate LOGIC as MIDI and PT for audio, if you are not satisfied. For me, music is not manipulating with loops and ready-made audio "particles", music is creating something from "scratch" (hoping this is the real word for it)
I am professional composer and arranger, and besides scoring for big orchestras (symphonic) and various bands, 90% of my work consists of MIDI programming (which LOGIC does the BEST) and some live instruments, recorded in real time with REAL musicians, and with MINIMUM of editing, slicing and moving...My new MAC G5, dual 2GHZ is PERFECT machine for that purpose, and I use LOGIC for more than decade, from the early days of NOTATOR, and it NEVER crashed or freezed, except in very rare ocasions, when I tried something "stupid"Still, I am firm believer that MIDI is not dead, and that most of my hardware synths, samplers and sound modules (over 18 of them) are sounding better, with more personality than virtual instruments and plug/ins
All the best, peace,

Slobodan Markovic