DP 6 it's here!

[H-Rezz]

Originally Posted by quincyg

I am amazed at how little attention there is to the DP6 release around here. People went nuts over the logic 8 release. Should have my copy on monday. I have to say after reading reports at unicornation I am not that excited.

Hummmm, Maybe because Logic is a very popular DAW

[MarsBot]

I guess they added the ability to play 32 bit files. That's good. I'm hoping MOTU fixed DP's mix engine in this release. Does anybody know? Why bother adding features if they haven't taken care of this fundamental problem?

[gongbass]

I have too many projects in progress to switch to 10.5 now. Its such an enormous hassle to install all new drivers from all my software. I'm actually thinking of waiting to install DP6 until I finish all this work up.

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by quincyg

I am amazed at how little attention there is to the DP6 release around here.

Does anybody here still use it?

[sonus]

DP6 is here and it’s a really nice upgrade !
I’ve installed it on Monday and I can say I’m impressed with it .

There are many significant improvements made, especially in DP’s interface . Things that improve the already great DP’s workflow and make it even easier and more efficient to work with. What I always thought about DP is that it’s a DAW that is very intuitive and easy in using it, instead of being one that you have to “fight” with it in order to accomplish certain tasks .
With this new version things seem to have been improved even more on this side of the program.

Some things (beyond the interface improvements) that I like best in this new version are:
1. Support for Broadcast Wave and AIFF files (something that was missing from this otherwise great program).
2. Instrument tracks pre-rendering which means enhanced CPU performance when using VIs …
3. The new MasterWorks Leveler (following the fantastic MasterWorks EQ tradition) which is modeling LA2A and sounds great. It even provides four different LA2A models for different flavours (they are actually referred as vintage/modern/fast /slow for convenience). VERY GOOD !!!
4. The all new Proverb, a convolution reverb which even though I didn’t have the time to do extensive tests , it sounds sweet, looks hmm… ! and even has a ducker mode…
5. Take “comping” tool and take management improvements which speeds up take comping a lot.
6. Ability to burn a CD from within the program .

There are lots of other improvements like video-film enhancements, PT HD enhanced support and numerous less big ones (along with some bug fixes) that I either haven’t used yet, don’t apply to my setup, or there is no need to list here but they all add to the overall positive picture of DP6.

There are a couple of issues I think I should mention, like the new mixer’s window appearance which is a bit not easy on the eyes and a meters and playback wiper sluggishness when there are more than 24 tracks visible in the mixing board (go figure !) , things I ‘m sure MOTU will fix in the next revision which usually follows 1-2 months after the first release.

Personally I am really happy with this upgrade which makes a great DAW even greater.
Thanks

[dbjp]

Originally Posted by Nordkrog

huh? 10.4.3? Why are you staying on that version? Sorry, don't mean to offend anyone, I just don't get it. What's the deal?

You'd have to be seriously thick if you couldn't figure out that it was a typo.

[matsuzushi]

Wow so exiting but seriously, DP is slow as a dog, I think the program is very well laid out but is not near as responsive as logic or Cubase. The truth hurts but its true. I would say that is the reason you do not see the love for the new release because its just a lot of fluff with no juice. Cubase and Logic rock on a 8 core, DP is beach ball city. Thats my take anyway.

[uncle duncan]

Originally Posted by jamwerks

Does anybody here still use it?

People who won't settle for the limitations of PTLE use it. People who can use built-in graphic pitch correction use it. People who could use graphic time stretch/shrink to tighten up vocal harmonies (before any other daw had that feature) use it. People who have been working with midi and audio since before PT got hip to midi use it. People who want to slave-sync a DAW to a HD24 use it. People who want to transfer 24 tracks in one pass use it.

DP has actually been ahead of the curve on a lot of features until recently, when other DAW's finally found a way to catch up, but because Digidesign is so good at brainwashing the public, DP's low profile has not attracted a lot of attention. So, my friend, if you're unaware of the wonders of DP, you know what they say: ignorance is bliss.

[alexkemp]

I agree. PT has had market penetration for a long time because people invested so much crazy dollars to get into a Mix plus or HD system that there was no good way to get out.... and Logic has the benefit of a being owned and promoted by this little company called Apple.

Meanwhile DP is an amazing program, and has far more useful features than logic for writing music. It seems that people think Logic is a bargain because it comes with some VI's. Meanwhile DP has tools like Polar, a drum editor, the best midi editing capabilities of any DAW, manual time stretch/compress of audio, built in pitch editing, etc etc and had most of the before any other platform.

So I think it works like this: If you want to turn your computer into a tape deck and spend a hunk of cash, get PT. If you want to open up presets in a VI and call that producing, get Logic. If you want to write music, get DP.

[Tui]

Originally Posted by alexkemp

If you want to open up presets in a VI and call that producing, get Logic.

You are completely mad.

[H-Rezz]

Originally Posted by Tui

You are completely mad.

He is just envious that a separate sub-forum had to be created for Logic 8's arrival and DP6 cann't get past 2 pages in 2-3 weeks

Hey i'm doing my bit to push more interest by just posting on this thread ....

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by uncle duncan

People who won't settle for the limitations of PTLE use it. People who can use built-in graphic pitch correction use it. People who could use graphic time stretch/shrink to tighten up vocal harmonies (before any other daw had that feature) use it. People who have been working with midi and audio since before PT got hip to midi use it. People who want to slave-sync a DAW to a HD24 use it. People who want to transfer 24 tracks in one pass use it.

DP has actually been ahead of the curve on a lot of features until recently, when other DAW's finally found a way to catch up, but because Digidesign is so good at brainwashing the public, DP's low profile has not attracted a lot of attention. So, my friend, if you're unaware of the wonders of DP, you know what they say: ignorance is bliss.

Actually I use Logic, and I'm far from ignorant. May I suggest that you take a vacation?

[bannerj]

wow. I can't believe how uppity everybody gets about their fav DAW. It's not like we are talking about your mom or anything. It is one thing to squabble about Mac vs PC or digital vs analog, but PT vs DP is really just apples and oranges. Most pros I know can work between a couple DAW depending on the project. As a project studio guy, I love DP (seems very intuitive for my brain) but am glad to relearn PT for the sake of my work at the college. It's all good really.

ANYWAY. Now that DP can support more file formats, I have to ask what seem like a dumb question. Is there any major sound improvements between SDII or AIFF or OMF or whichever?

[erikjamesmusic]

i have an ensemble and write tv/film music for a living. i got logic 8 a few months ago for its compatibility with apogee. what a mistake. the learning curve was too much, even for tech-savy me, and overall DP just made much more sense to me. i went back to DP5 last week. it is the program that allows composers to streamline their work-flow and feel comfortable as an engineer/producer (which for better or worse, we all have to be these days). As always, to each his own.

[Barbary Ape]

I have been a DP user all my life but I still haven't ordered DP6 because as with any major DP upgrade I always wait for update x.1 before I order, I simply cannot afford to be a guinea pig with my work and if I do order it in advance there is absolutely nothing in this world that can stop me from installing it once I see it in my doorstep regardless of the bugs.

And from what I'm hearing so far is that VIs aren't working and the new GUI is different from what they had advertised I hope they release a fix soon cause I'm really excited about DP6 but if they don't I wouldn't mind staying at DP5 even for a couple of months.

[Nordkrog]

Originally Posted by dbjp

You'd have to be seriously thick if you couldn't figure out that it was a typo.

Thanks man for the kind words, that's very charming of you...

[Killahurts]

Man, you Logic zealots are a bunch of followers. You seem to get so much of your confidence to slam DP from shear numbers of users. Power in numbers I guess, especially when the individuals are weak. You use what everyone else uses, so you can sound just like them.

I have and can use both. Both are good software. I prefer DP because I get more done in a shorter time than with Logic, and because DP works better with my digital console.

Don't care for the look of the new GUI but I think they'll modify it since apparently no one likes it.

I installed DP6, but it broke the Sony Oxford Dynamics plug that I use every day, so I uninstalled and went back. I'm not in a hurry.

[gdoubleyou]

Originally Posted by Killahurts

Man, you Logic zealots are a bunch of followers. You seem to get so much of your confidence to slam DP from shear numbers of users. Power in numbers I guess, especially when the individuals are weak. You use what everyone else uses, so you can sound just like them.

I have and can use both. Both are good software. I prefer DP because I get more done in a shorter time than with Logic, and because DP works better with my digital console.

Don't care for the look of the new GUI but I think they'll modify it since apparently no one likes it.

I installed DP6, but it broke the Sony Oxford Dynamics plug that I use every day, so I uninstalled and went back. I'm not in a hurry.

Can't we just get along?

I need the upgrade for MacIntel compatibility, still have 4.x sitting on a G4 mini.

But since I went MacIntel I've been using logic primarily because I can put it on a laptop, compose and record without the need for 3rd party plugs.

I like both apps, but I've become addicted to Logics instruments.

[donsolo]

I prefer the NI offerings over Logic's built in stuff...

hard to compare once you factor in price but it's not THAT bad in price and it's THAT much better.

[gracejames]

Why not get them all?

LogicE-$199
DP6 Comp Upg-$349
PT-$249

Its not like you are buying different pre-amps.
Then you can use each tool for its strengths whether creatively, editing or mixing.
Mac AND PC. PT AND Logic AND DP. Don't limit yourself
by saying you can only use one tool unless its too difficult for you to do so.

[steff3]

Originally Posted by Killahurts

Man, you Logic zealots are a bunch of followers. You seem to get so much of your confidence to slam DP from shear numbers of users. Power in numbers I guess, especially when the individuals are weak. You use what everyone else uses, so you can sound just like them.

This is getting funnier ..... :)

A few years back I was more into 3D and at that time Softimage 3D was a great package and there was not much coming close. When we were at a trade show all the people coming over to just tell us that their 3D package (no matter what it was) was better than Softimage. My colleague told me that it is indeed funny, but nobody would ever say that he had just spend a lot of money on a crappy program so they need to insist on it - totally human .... These discussions always remind me on that :)

I use both - Logic Pro and DP, and it is not too long that I also used Cubase SX3.
Statements like DP compared to Logic or Cubase is too slow - well, it may depend on your workflow, on the task and on your setup. My experience is - that for CPU performance Logic is king, Cubase was only performing ok if I took precautions (which is somehow understandable as it has a stripped down nuendo-engine and thus I think it is more layed out to run on a computer that was expecially set up for it). It is also clear that working with VIs DP 5.x cannot come close to Logic ....

On the other hand - editing audio DP 5 outperforms Logic and also if I want to just view some scores from a MIDI file DP is ways faster. There are numberous examples where one outperforms the other and where one package has features that the other does not have. I think one is best off with having both of them. (and when apple finally gets their pro - I once thought that was for professional - app to read and write 32bit float, they will be an even better team.)

I like both of them - looking forward to receive DP6.

best

[steff3]

Originally Posted by donsolo

I prefer the NI offerings over Logic's built in stuff...

hard to compare once you factor in price but it's not THAT bad in price and it's THAT much better.

What is that much better - well, it might be all up to taste. But there is no equivalent to Ultrabeat or Sculture, to me EVP88 and the clavinet clearly outperform the Vintage piano, etc. it is not that simple. Also - up until now in logic you can work with the tools that you worked with years ago - with NI stuff - well, goodbye Vokator and Spektral Delay - and the latter one was really great.

No question that Absynth, FM8 or Massive are great and that they are a great addition to one's setup. But the Logic internal stuff is not bad, especially the more special things ... and they are quite unique.

best

[cjenk]

I've had DP6 for about a week now.....I'll get to that manual eventually. I've been pretty impressed with how intuitive the new GUI is. Things are generally where you think they would be, and some things already seem way better than DP5. I do have this one nit about the graphic editor....I can't seem to figure out how record-enable (or disable) the track whilst in that window (I have looked in the manual in this regard...).

Would someone help poor learning-impaired me?

[sonus]

Originally Posted by cjenk

I've had DP6 for about a week now.....I'll get to that manual eventually. I've been pretty impressed with how intuitive the new GUI is. Things are generally where you think they would be, and some things already seem way better than DP5. I do have this one nit about the graphic editor....I can't seem to figure out how record-enable (or disable) the track whilst in that window (I have looked in the manual in this regard...).

Would someone help poor learning-impaired me?

Hi
Have a look here :
UnicorNation.com :: Log in

[The MPCist]

I used to be a DP power user ever since it came out as Performer and there's one I hate -- buggy software! That's what DP has been for the last 8 years and a complete waste of time for me.

I'm on PT and Logic now and never looked back.

[quincyg]

i have it and am a bit underwhelmed. using logic 8 as my go to lately.

[thermos]

Originally Posted by The MPCist

I used to be a DP power user ever since it came out as Performer and there's one I hate -- buggy software! That's what DP has been for the last 8 years and a complete waste of time for me.

I'm on PT and Logic now and never looked back.

Have to say, Logic 8 is about 10x as buggy as DP 5.13, which is very stable and predictable. Motu usually takes a few releases to get it right, but 5.13 is very good.