Waves Analog Noise Is "OUT OF PHASE"!!!! Why???

M2E · 17th May 2008, 06:01 AM

OK, I'm doing a mix and noticed something strange happening. I guess I noticed this because of this new free plugin from Flux called "Stereo Tools" I downloaded and now using.
So I put it last on my Master Fader for my plugins to see what it saw.

On my Master in this mix I used the Waves SSL G-Buss on my master. I then put the Waves L3-16 on and began setting that up but, noticed that the flux plugin started going out of phase. I thought it was weird so I started muting buss channels.
Once I muted the BGV buss channels it went back in phase. So I un-muted the BGV Buss and started mute the BGV channels themselves to see if there was some reason on of the channels was going out of phase. It stayed out of phase until I muted all the BGV except the last one. It then went in phase. I didn't know what that is about so, I guess my question is,

Is the Waves SSL plugins sending out "Out Of Phase" noise?

I pulled up a blank session and just created a Master Fader.
I then put the Waves SSL G-Buss 1st and turned off the analog button. I then put the Flux Stereo plugin after that and turned the input all the way up.
Everything was cool until I pressed in the analog button. Then it totally went out of phase.
The Waves E-Channel Plugin did the same as well as the Waves G-EQ. Soon as I pressed in the analog button on all the plugins, it goes out of phase.
This is not good at all is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Somebody please respond on this.

Marc

M2E · 17th May 2008, 08:24 AM

Sorry guys,

I think it's this new Flux plugin that might be off. I'll make sure and post back. Be careful of this new Flux Stereo Tools.
Looks Great!!!!

Marc

matt-o- · 17th May 2008, 01:59 PM

Hello Marc,

yes, I noticed the same quirky behaviour. The round "stereodisplay" shows everything correctly, precisely like my RTW. But the correlation meter has its parking position, when the level gets too low, on the left, out-of-phase -1 side. Oddly enough only on TDM systems. In PT LE it parks on the right side +1. I was immediately irritated with this behaviour, because the figures of the stereodisplay and those indicated by the correlation meter do not match, as soon as the levels get low. This is really extremely irritating. The best thing would be to ignore the correlation meter or for flux, to correct this behaviour, and put the parking positon of the white dot in the middle, at "0", where it belongs.

Nevertheless it's a very generous gift from flux - MANY THANKS!

Matthias

UnMix Studio · 17th May 2008, 05:05 PM

It's not Waves. It's the Flux Stereo Tool. The correlation meter is inaccurate. Great tools though. I'm sure they'll notice and do upgrade to fix it.

izzi · 17th May 2008, 08:50 PM

Yes, I too can confirm that it's the Flux plug causing the problem.

Arksun · 17th May 2008, 11:41 PM

Is this just a meter issue, or a bug with the actual sound output of Stereo Tools?, as I hadn't noticed the sound of the phase behaving in an unexpected way (I must admit I wasn't paying much attention to the correlation meter though)

matt-o- · 18th May 2008, 06:31 PM

I think it's just an issue with the correlation meter, as the vector display works properly

Laurend · 19th May 2008, 12:10 PM

The 1.3.0.13 version of Stereo Tool now parks the phase indicator at zero when there is no input signal.

We're very sorry for this bug. We hope Stereo Tool will now perfectly satisfy your expectations.

Here is the download link www.fluxhome.com/download

The Flux Team

izzi · 19th May 2008, 08:42 PM

Thanks for addressing this with the speed of Mercury!

matt-o- · 20th May 2008, 12:01 AM

thanks Laurent, that was really fast!

matthias

Laurend · 21st May 2008, 11:03 AM

The 1.3.0.14 version of Stereo Tool is now available. It corrects all issues of the previous versions. I hope it's the definitive one

Here is the download link www.fluxhome.com/download

opentune · 21st May 2008, 01:34 PM

Hey guys, don´t want to hijack the thread... but could you comment on the
"analog noise" provided in the Waves G-Bus comp PlugIn?

I checked it out at a friend´s studio, liked it´s sound - but i didn´t hear
any change when pushing the analog button...

I didn´t have the time to play around with the PlugIn, so would be nice
if anyone can give some info!

17th May 2008, 06:01 AM	#1
M2E Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In A Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 702	Waves Analog Noise Is "OUT OF PHASE"!!!! Why??? OK, I'm doing a mix and noticed something strange happening. I guess I noticed this because of this new free plugin from Flux called "Stereo Tools" I downloaded and now using. So I put it last on my Master Fader for my plugins to see what it saw. On my Master in this mix I used the Waves SSL G-Buss on my master. I then put the Waves L3-16 on and began setting that up but, noticed that the flux plugin started going out of phase. I thought it was weird so I started muting buss channels. Once I muted the BGV buss channels it went back in phase. So I un-muted the BGV Buss and started mute the BGV channels themselves to see if there was some reason on of the channels was going out of phase. It stayed out of phase until I muted all the BGV except the last one. It then went in phase. I didn't know what that is about so, I guess my question is, Is the Waves SSL plugins sending out "Out Of Phase" noise? I pulled up a blank session and just created a Master Fader. I then put the Waves SSL G-Buss 1st and turned off the analog button. I then put the Flux Stereo plugin after that and turned the input all the way up. Everything was cool until I pressed in the analog button. Then it totally went out of phase. The Waves E-Channel Plugin did the same as well as the Waves G-EQ. Soon as I pressed in the analog button on all the plugins, it goes out of phase. This is not good at all is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Somebody please respond on this. Marc __________________ "M2E" www.kakalakakoffee.com www.myspace.com/m2emusic www.myspace.com/kakalakakoffeemusicgroup Sorry in advance for any misspelled words, phrases or not using the right meaning/s at the right times. So get over it and back to the post at hand!!! Thanx.... How long does it take to do a mix. - UNTIL IT'S DONE!!! One thing I'd like you to understand. It's much easier to be done than to be satisfied!! Bruce Swedien

17th May 2008, 08:24 AM	#2
M2E Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In A Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 702	Sorry guys, I think it's this new Flux plugin that might be off. I'll make sure and post back. Be careful of this new Flux Stereo Tools. Looks Great!!!! Marc __________________ "M2E" www.kakalakakoffee.com www.myspace.com/m2emusic www.myspace.com/kakalakakoffeemusicgroup Sorry in advance for any misspelled words, phrases or not using the right meaning/s at the right times. So get over it and back to the post at hand!!! Thanx.... How long does it take to do a mix. - UNTIL IT'S DONE!!! One thing I'd like you to understand. It's much easier to be done than to be satisfied!! Bruce Swedien

19th May 2008, 12:10 PM	#8
Laurend Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: France Posts: 12	The Flux Stereo Tool has been updated The 1.3.0.13 version of Stereo Tool now parks the phase indicator at zero when there is no input signal. We're very sorry for this bug. We hope Stereo Tool will now perfectly satisfy your expectations. Here is the download link www.fluxhome.com/download The Flux Team

21st May 2008, 11:03 AM	#11
Laurend Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: France Posts: 12	Stereo Tool Update(s) The 1.3.0.14 version of Stereo Tool is now available. It corrects all issues of the previous versions. I hope it's the definitive one Here is the download link www.fluxhome.com/download

21st May 2008, 01:34 PM	#12
opentune Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: good ol´germany Posts: 644	Hey guys, don´t want to hijack the thread... but could you comment on the "analog noise" provided in the Waves G-Bus comp PlugIn? I checked it out at a friend´s studio, liked it´s sound - but i didn´t hear any change when pushing the analog button... I didn´t have the time to play around with the PlugIn, so would be nice if anyone can give some info! __________________ Just to keep it light, none of us can really claim to be engineers unless we know how to drive a steam locomotive. Now those were engineers! Ethan Winer / april 08 I always thought the "New York Trick" was a girl named Roxie who I met at The Temple Bar. max cooper / september 2006

17th May 2008, 01:59 PM	#3
matt-o- Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7	Hello Marc, yes, I noticed the same quirky behaviour. The round "stereodisplay" shows everything correctly, precisely like my RTW. But the correlation meter has its parking position, when the level gets too low, on the left, out-of-phase -1 side. Oddly enough only on TDM systems. In PT LE it parks on the right side +1. I was immediately irritated with this behaviour, because the figures of the stereodisplay and those indicated by the correlation meter do not match, as soon as the levels get low. This is really extremely irritating. The best thing would be to ignore the correlation meter or for flux, to correct this behaviour, and put the parking positon of the white dot in the middle, at "0", where it belongs. Nevertheless it's a very generous gift from flux - MANY THANKS! Matthias

17th May 2008, 05:05 PM	#4
UnMix Studio Gear Head Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 63	It's not Waves. It's the Flux Stereo Tool. The correlation meter is inaccurate. Great tools though. I'm sure they'll notice and do upgrade to fix it.

17th May 2008, 08:50 PM	#5
izzi Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 37	Yes, I too can confirm that it's the Flux plug causing the problem.

17th May 2008, 11:41 PM	#6
Arksun Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 143	Is this just a meter issue, or a bug with the actual sound output of Stereo Tools?, as I hadn't noticed the sound of the phase behaving in an unexpected way (I must admit I wasn't paying much attention to the correlation meter though)

18th May 2008, 06:31 PM	#7
matt-o- Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7	I think it's just an issue with the correlation meter, as the vector display works properly

19th May 2008, 08:42 PM	#9
izzi Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 37	Thanks for addressing this with the speed of Mercury!

20th May 2008, 12:01 AM	#10
matt-o- Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7	thanks Laurent, that was really fast! matthias

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