Gate latency nudge question

[blinkSaunders]

I have a question about two things I've learned recently.

I have recently learned the gate technique of nudging a dummy kick track say 50 samples forward (in time) to the key input of a gate on the kick you want to hear.

I have also recently learned that putting the Dyn 3 gate on a track delays it by 96 samples and that this too should be nudged forward in time to compensate.

So the question is since the main kick has a Dyn 3 on it and needs to be nudged, does the key input track need to be nudged and extra 96 on top of the 50 I'm doing?

Thanks in advance.

[Kadden Heart]

to the best of my knwledge,...no.

i usually go with 70-80 samples for the kick trigger.

why?
because charles dye in the "mix it" DVD has a trigger kick set 80 samples ahead of time.

this seems to work just fine for me.

[Charles Dye]

Originally Posted by blinkSaunders

I have a question about two things I've learned recently.

I have recently learned the gate technique of nudging a dummy kick track say 50 samples forward (in time) to the key input of a gate on the kick you want to hear.

I have also recently learned that putting the Dyn 3 gate on a track delays it by 96 samples and that this too should be nudged forward in time to compensate.

So the question is since the main kick has a Dyn 3 on it and needs to be nudged, does the key input track need to be nudged and extra 96 on top of the 50 I'm doing?

Thanks in advance.

I'm actually now using the Dyn 3 gate in Look Ahead mode instead of the kick trigger concept. Works just as well + is much easier.

[staudio]

A gate with lookahead is preferable, but if doing it the old way then try a 5 ms nudge forward in time on the trigger track.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by blinkSaunders

I have a question about two things I've learned recently.

I have recently learned the gate technique of nudging a dummy kick track say 50 samples forward (in time) to the key input of a gate on the kick you want to hear.

I have also recently learned that putting the Dyn 3 gate on a track delays it by 96 samples and that this too should be nudged forward in time to compensate.

So the question is since the main kick has a Dyn 3 on it and needs to be nudged, does the key input track need to be nudged and extra 96 on top of the 50 I'm doing?

Thanks in advance.

If you're using this technique, the trigger track always needs to be earlier than the gated track. So yes - if you're nudging one 96samples earlier, the trigger has to be 96 +50 (or whatever) earlier.

...otherwise the trigger will be 46samples later than the audio of course!

Although Mr Dye's method is probably less hassle.

[blinkSaunders]

I have no problem, using a look a look-ahead if it's easy, but it seems I would still need to nudge that 96 samples to compensate for the latency, correct?

Thanks for helping me to try and figure is out.

[blinkSaunders]

Originally Posted by Charles Dye

I'm actually now using the Dyn 3 gate in Look Ahead mode instead of the kick trigger concept. Works just as well + is much easier.

Two questions for Mr. Dye
1) If you're using the Dyn 3 gate you must be on a latency-free TDM system, or your track would be 96 samples slow, correct?

2) If not using a "look ahead" and you do 80ms on kick, do you use 80 on a snare too?

Thanks.