Who's a Programmer Here?

[LumenStudio]

How many people here program professionally for a living? Not midi drums or synths, but some real code...

Just wondering. I figure there's got to be some other pro geeks here...

[.rEs]

i do some non-pro stuff...takes a lot of time

[manning1]

i did on mainframes for yrs and networks.
now its boring. if you want to learn programming i highly recommend pyxia.com and try ibasic. a great programmers tool for quick windows applications or purebasic.com. or if you want to do dsp (ie audio) stuff then get down and dirty with an assembler compiler like fasm, masm and their ilk.

[oudplayer]

I used to - enterprise distributed business applications. What a phocking bore! Quit to do music full-time and ensure a life of poverty.

[axeman69]

I'm an business application programmer for a living. I worked my way through college back in the early '80s doing guitar sessions in small Western PA studios. Almost wish that I'd have never graduated . But at least it provides the funds to be as slutty as my wife'll let me.

[MJohnson]

I've been coding for a living for the last 15 years.

Doing C# for the past couple years for Best Software.


Mark

[manning1]

mjohnson you have my utmost respect.
i wish i had learned C++/C# etc but never got round to it.
kudos to you. damn difficult i found.
im glad pc's have got faster because i can now do anything in basic i want even though technically C is better.
i used to program in asm years ago but pc asm is a tad different.
im thinking of getting back into it.
what i like about ibasic by pyxia is it compiles to standalone exe's
WITH NO NEED FOR BIG WINDOWS RUN TIMES. hence program exe's are lean and mean.

[MJohnson]

manning1,

That sounds like a great basic compiler you got there. Sounds like it beats VB pretty well.

I started out doing C on Dos in the good old days, then went on to doing C on OS/2 during my stay at a company that was big blue shop.

Eventually went to C++ and MFC on windows till the alpha bits for C# came out in April of 2000. Been doing C# ever since.


Cheers,

Mark

[LumenStudio]

I've been programming pro for ~8 years now. Doing the enterprise application thing too. Been out to Microsoft to work with the new SQL Server release in the Alpha stages to load test the new global app, etc etc...

Computers have always been the means, although I do love em at the same time.


Cool to see some other geeks here too

[LumenStudio]

WITH NO NEED FOR BIG WINDOWS RUN TIMES. hence program exe's are lean and mean. [/B]

Runtimes give you a lot for free, especially now with memory management and certain security aspects built in now.

[manning1]

mjohnson....
i just discovered ibasic by accident surfing the net. tried it - liked it. i think the name of the author is paul turley if i remember.
it takes just a few statements in ibasic to throw up a user screen.
try it for yourself sometime from pyxia.com. it now comes in a pro as well as standard version. 30 bucks or so if i remember.
you can even use all the win api calls if you wish.
its the coolest compiler ive ever come across.
fyi - just for laughs and to learn ibasic i did a little wav audio track level meter. including some dsp audio algorithm to see if it overcame the traditional old prob of basic being slow compared to assembler. i was really impressed with its speed compared to other basic compilers.
check out programmersheaven.com. really neat geek site.
and if you want to check out some other neat stuff try knoppix.
this whole linux OS runs from cdrom.
also check this out - REALLY WILD !! an OS WITH GUI that runs from a floppy programmed in asm. i think youll be impressed.
>>>menuetos.com. it blew me away. now if only someone would write multitrack software for it.
some other great LINUX multitrackers really maturing nicely
check out ARDOUR and MUSE.
also check out FEATHER linux. darn impressive and damnsmalllinux.org.
all the best.

[MJohnson]

LumenStudio,

The app I currently work on uses sql 2000. Can't wait to try some of the enhancements in sql 2005. CLR integration should be interesting, as well as support for files in the db.

manning1,

Thanks for the links I'll check them out. I too visit programmersheaven.com pretty regularly, if just to see what the current poll is.

Check out http://www.kernelthread.com/os/ for a cool site on listing all kinds of OSes.

Mark

[manning1]

lumen i'll never be convinced that big run times are a good thing.
its a real pain particularly when ones app is only 80k and fits nicely on a floppy so you can put it easily on a friends machine.
adding big run times just blows up the floppy idea.
i like lean and mean and elegant solutions.
ibasic is brilliant imho. one could do any app in it one wants including web browsers, office apps, dsp etc etc
i remain hopefull that a SMALL linux plus decent multitrack software that fits on a usb device of 60 mb will be a reality very soon. this would be great for laptop multitracking and remove
a ton of bloat. take a look as i said above at feather and damnsmall (50mb OS) and menuet(floppy OS).
i would like to see an OS that i can use in multitracking plus
surf the net plus do only basic office tasks that fits on a small usb drive. im looking to see if i can run ardour multitrack with something like feather. this year i'm trying this.
linux is really coming on imho.

[manning1]

mjohnson that kernelthread link is a great site. thanks so much. bookmarked it. with your tremendous programming experience you should take something like menuet or feather and program
a nice multitrack app. so us musicians get a nice slim OS plus multitrack running in say about 20mb. that would be ultra cool imho.
in fact fyi ive had discussions with some new OS developers about ideas along this line. it would be really neat.

[copal]

How many people here program professionally for a living?

me. objective-c, c, python, (unfortunately) java. alot of database/SQL stuff, too.

fun fun!

[tele_player]

I write Unix network server code for a not-so-small ISP/Telco. Been involved in network companies since way before most people heard of the Internet.

[LumenStudio]

Originally posted by tele_player
I write Unix network server code for a not-so-small ISP/Telco. Been involved in network companies since way before most people heard of the Internet.

Sweet, we were all unix in college and we used to come up with different strategies for making our tcp/ip stack the fastest.... good learning excercises, good times to be excited about the potential of computers, as i am now

By the way on the runtime post from before, you better program for somone being connected, it is your responsibility over delivering something on a floppy. In other words you better be prepared for the programmer who has the time to exploit a memory leak in your floppy distribution. If (and you should assume they do) your users connect to gearslutz.com you should protect them the best you can. The internet makes a viable target for anyone with internet access and a few ounces of programming knowledge.
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[LumenStudio]

edited: just decided not to be an a-hole

[LumenStudio]

Originally posted by MJohnson
LumenStudio,

The app I currently work on uses sql 2000. Can't wait to try some of the enhancements in sql 2005. CLR integration should be interesting, as well as support for files in the db.

Mark

CLR integration is alright. We really probed the product manager on this quite a bit. It's cool to have the ability but it should not be used in most cases. What I really liked was talking with the program manger for SQL Service Broker which combines the best from transactional messaging systems. Full-text search is better... and some other stuff was cool, reporting services (available for 2000 as well)