Analog Mixer Emulation

[Markus Stock]

ISN'T IT CRAZY HOW EVERYONE FOCUSES ON COPYING STUFF VITUALLY THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN REALITY INSTEAD OF JUST USING IT...???

You want a drummer, get a drummer....don't get BFD, get the real thing. If I want a desk I want a desk, not its supposed copied sound characteristic without the actual desk![/QUOTE]

To me digital emulations/convultion is to real gear what dried herbs are to fresh herbs, if I may use this analogy. You know, I am loving to put fresh basil in a nice Pasta Sauce - it's the Neve Flavour of cooking, but in Winter when fresh Basil is rare I am glad I can use dried or frozen one - it's not the same but at least gets me in the same ballpark! Meaning, just few of us have a SSL Console, racks full of Neves, Pultecs and Manleys etc. and therefor stuff like the TriTone/Urs/Waves Console series is a great thing to add that flavour...

[Doktorfuture]

I think the secret of getting Digital dirty is to force computations to be done only with prime numbers, except for secret analog numbers introduced quasi-randomly.

What is an 'analog number' -- ha, that's the secret.

I have drunk way too much wine tonight. Even my dumb ideas sound funny to me and I am compelled to post them.

Originally Posted by pigcat

How about digital "dirty".thumbsup

[mikymike]

Originally Posted by bitman

I'll bet of all these good things the analog summing does, crosstalk might me the most difficult and processor hungry parameter to model properly.

But yea it's gotta be right around the corner but it has to replace your daw's internal mixer and afaik there is no crossplatform api like vst to do that.

For the life of me I can not think of 1 situation where I would want this anyway!!!

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by Markus Stock

To me digital emulations/convultion is to real gear what dried herbs are to fresh herbs, if I may use this analogy. You know, I am loving to put fresh basil in a nice Pasta Sauce - it's the Neve Flavour of cooking, but in Winter when fresh Basil is rare I am glad I can use dried or frozen one - it's not the same but at least gets me in the same ballpark! Meaning, just few of us have a SSL Console, racks full of Neves, Pultecs and Manleys etc. and therefor stuff like the TriTone/Urs/Waves Console series is a great thing to add that flavour...

I really like tritone stuff too, but were talking about a virtual desk replacement, and all I was saying is that even if you could make your DAW sound like one it wouldn't replace the instant user interface part, which to me is an essential part. No menus, just instant control of ALL parameters at once. If you wanted that from your computer it would have to look like a desk with ALL the knobs on, and then.......it would be a digital desk

[JPeters86]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

SN'T IT CRAZY HOW EVERYONE FOCUSES ON COPYING STUFF VITUALLY THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN REALITY INSTEAD OF JUST USING IT...???

You want a drummer, get a drummer....don't get BFD, get the real thing. If I want a desk I want a desk, not its supposed copied sound characteristic without the actual desk!

Have you ever considered that today, most small studios do not have the financial abilities to realize this? I have a personal studio, 80% of what I record and mix is for myself, the rest is for people I know and I rarely charge them anything, because it's my hobby and I like it. But, I too want to get as close as possible to the Neve sound, and I can't buy a Neve desk. So, you see, for some people, it is really interesting how to get to the real thing as close as possible, without getting into financial trouble.

[Markus Stock]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

I really like tritone stuff too, but were talking about a virtual desk replacement, and all I was saying is that even if you could make your DAW sound like one it wouldn't replace the instant user interface part, which to me is an essential part. No menus, just instant control of ALL parameters at once. If you wanted that from your computer it would have to look like a desk with ALL the knobs on, and then.......it would be a digital desk

Point taken!
On the other hand I hardly miss the days I was performing a mix on a non automated console muting/unmuting stuff with all fingers available and raising a fader with my nose being in a terrible stress situation I might **** up this one part again at 7:49 and have to redo it all over ......digital mixing is surely not as intuitiv as analog mixing on a console is, but it's more precise and better for my heart.

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by Markus Stock

Point taken!
On the other hand I hardly miss the days I was performing a mix on a non automated console muting/unmuting stuff with all fingers available and raising a fader with my nose being in a terrible stress situation I might **** up this one part again at 7:49 and have to redo it all over ......digital mixing is surely not as intuitiv as analog mixing on a console is, but it's more precise and better for my heart.

Might be better for your heart....lol......computerscreens have never proved better for mine, especially in large doses. Precise, yes, but i believe alive is more beneficial to music than precise....and with a DAW and a desk you can have both.

Yes, I can't afford a Neve console either, but am of the pursuasion that if you want your DAW mix to have a Neve flavour, you're better off getting a couple of Neve lineamps on ebay and running your DAW through them than any virtual hokuspokus. That wouldn't cost you more than the 'hokuspokus' would.....sort of like a Neve summingbox without the summing but WITH the REAL sound. Bicycle.

[Markus Stock]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

and with a DAW and a desk you can have both.

That's how I work! PT HD+Trident Desk+Hokuspokus

[Karloff70]

Well then.....I bet you wouldn't fancy giving up your trident even IF your DAW could be made to sound the same without it.

[Markus Stock]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

Well then.....I bet you wouldn't fancy giving up your trident even IF your DAW could be made to sound the same without it.

Now we are exactly at the point I am thinking over and over of late. For example, I sampled the mix buss of my Trident and loaded it in Colortone Pro - sounds terribly close, really! Now I am thinking - would it make sense selling my Trident (which I use in the mixing process as a big summing box nothing more - I don't touch the EQs, have all faders at unity) and getting a really good controller (the two new Euphonix Controllers come to my mind) and doing coloration with the Outboard I have and Massey's Tapehead + Colortone Pro....but I am sure I'd miss the desk if it's just for optical reasons and Client WOW Factor....decisions....decisions.....

[Karloff70]

Don't know what trident you have, but I can't see why you wouldn't use the eq's other than maybe for "jumping between projects recallability" reasons. Even then, I couldn't resist on that premise alone. Would be like convenience over endresult.....

[Markus Stock]

I have a Series 65 - so not the be all end all sonically. Still it has a lot of character and sounds nice and full to my ears, but so does CT Pro and Tapehead for example.
I am often tracking a project one week, mixing another project the other week, get back to tracking etc. so session recall is a biggie for me. Also I am putting out stems from Pro Tools to the Trident and every now and then I am doing some sweetening with the board EQs (like putting a 2 db High Shelf on a group of vocals i.e) but that's nothing I couldn't do with a stereo EQ (HW or Plug In) across that buss.
I will further investigate what suits me better and in the end of the day will probably be a happy boy to have the choice of doing an ITB Mix if I want or doing an OTB mix with the desk

[Karloff70]

Dann hast Du ja alles was Du brauchst, alter

[Markus Stock]

Good german, my man, good german!

[Karloff70]

Kein Wunder.....bin ja auch deutsch

[lordnielson]

Originally Posted by redroom

The URS saturation plug in can get you a long way towards a console vibe

As I know you have both, how would you say the Urs Sat compares to Vtape ?

[redroom]

Originally Posted by lordnielson

As I know you have both, how would you say the Urs Sat compares to Vtape ?

Vtape and the URS Saturation are totally different worlds apart

I would never do a Mix with Vtape and every channel however I would with the URS Sat

[lordnielson]

Originally Posted by redroom

I would never do a Mix with Vtape and every channel however I would with the URS Sat

Can you per chance elaborate on that ?

Merci

[Edge]

I had a Yamaha DSP factory bout 8 years ago that emulated a Yamaha O2r, It did a great job, I loved that setup EQs and Dynamics on every track and it ran on the power from the DSP cards. It was way before its time.

[taturana]

Originally Posted by Markus Stock

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