THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLUGIN - Talk Back Plugin. Au-VST-Rtas

[illynoise]

Sorry for shouting!, but I just thought of this, since logic 8 and others don't have this facility built in........

A Talk Back Plugin. Au-VST-Rtas. you put it on a channel that your not using, the plugin routes the audio, even midi footpedal turning on and off. Or you can use it on screen.

Tell me why this couldn't work?

We could even call this the GS Talkback Plugin!

Anyways, just a thought............

[manning1]

hmm.
not sure i understand the need.
just connect a mic up to a spare audio mixer mic input channel.
if a mixer dont have talkback feature.

[computa]

not to hijack but someone needs to make an analog summing plugins complete with all the inaccuracies, phase issues, and all other differences between each analog channels that analog folks cling to.

that and a daw maker needs to take that idea a little further and add different types of consoles to their DAW mixers complete with analog inaccuracies.

[psycho_monkey]

what would this do differently to just having an aux channel with a mic input, and sending to all the headphone feeds?

Control mute with an assignable midi button or control surface...what's missing?!

[illynoise]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

what would this do differently to just having an aux channel with a mic input, and sending to all the headphone feeds?

Control mute with an assignable midi button or control surface...what's missing?!

Well this plugin would automate the routing and the midi if possible via foot pedal or midi control. I think that Cubase has these features in their control room section, but Logic and others don't AFAIK. I think it would be a cool little plug if someone was smart enough to program it. I would definitely use something like this, wouldn't you?

[illynoise]

Originally Posted by manning1

hmm.
not sure i understand the need.
just connect a mic up to a spare audio mixer mic input channel.
if a mixer dont have talkback feature.

What if you don't have a spare mixer? This is my point.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by illynoise

Well this plugin would automate the routing and the midi if possible via foot pedal or midi control. I think that Cubase has these features in their control room section, but Logic and others don't AFAIK. I think it would be a cool little plug if someone was smart enough to program it. I would definitely use something like this, wouldn't you?

Nah, wouldn't do anything for me. I still don't see what routing needs to be done, what midi you need for a talkback mic or anything else really!

And if you don't have any spare mixer channels, how are you going to plug your mic in?

[illynoise]

Originally Posted by manning1

hmm.
not sure i understand the need.
just connect a mic up to a spare audio mixer mic input channel.
if a mixer dont have talkback feature.

I guess the situation that I'm talking about is if your using an audio interface and not a mixer, and you need talk back functionality.

I stumbled on this:

/ Source Elements / Source-Talkback /

but it's only for PT.

[deuc647]

illy, i feel ya. This is one of the main reasons im gettin cubase, a lot of us dont have talkback systems or volume control short of pulling the master fader down and when it comes time to mix, that is a real problem. Like u, i just sold my console which is all it really did, talkback and volume control for monitors. Now im going all itb with a 2192 uad cards and sebatron pres, so i need volume control, i could get a central station and spend 350 or i could get cubase with a built in control room, and use the 350 for another card...................not really a hard decision.

[manning1]

illynoise .
re you said "what if you dont have a mixer. "

well that surprises me, most studios do.

my answer...
a little mixer is like 50 buks these days.
connect stereo out of sound card into it,
n plug mic into mic channel, send stereo out of mixer to musicians monitoring/cans.

if u have a multi input sound card, another el cheapo way would be
get a throwaway cassette dek, plug some junk mic into it,
take cassette dek out into sound card input.
to mute talkback flip the mic switch on cassette dek.

[illynoise]

I never said I did or didn't have a mixer. Wow, I just asked if this would be a great idea for a plugin. I didn't want to know how many different ways that I could do it without a plugin.

My point was to see or throw out there, "hey Mr Programmer for plugins ......I think this would be kind of cool!"

Now only 1 or 2 people are feeling me on this. If this doesn't sound like something that you would like to have, it's probably cause you already have this functionality. You aren't whose opinions I'm after in the first place.

[meathman]

ITS BEEN DONE

http://www.source-elements.com/Talkback/

[timtoonz]

Yes it's been done, but not for LOGIC!

I was just kicking the walls yesterday about this -- DAW's have the latest greatest cutting edge computer technology, but they still lack many of the basic functions studio cats took for granted 30 years ago!

Sure, you can "build your own" talk back kludge in the Logic environment. Is it easy? No. Is it simple? No. Is it simple to import into other projects done before you built the kludgy thang? No.

This is a basic necessary feature, and it's very telling that the wizards at Apple/Logic are so clueless about why anyone would even need such a feature. It's stuff like this (and about a dozen other 'basics') that will keep me referring to it as Logic SemiPro for the foreseeable future.

Now MAKE THAT PLUGIN! I'll BUY IT!

[DavidKakon]

I wish someone made a simple box that had an internal mic+pre, a push to talk button and a line level out. I know I could, but I'm not very useful as an electrical engineer. So much easier to use than a software version, plus I wouldn't have to waste an ad + da to get to the musiscians cans.

Cheers!

[doorknocker]

Originally Posted by DavidKakon

I wish someone made a simple box that had an internal mic+pre, a push to talk button and a line level out. I know I could, but I'm not very useful as an electrical engineer. So much easier to use than a software version, plus I wouldn't have to waste an ad + da to get to the musiscians cans.

Cheers!

I use the SPL 2381 Monitor + Talkback controller and it does exactly that.

[illynoise]

A plugin that would operate by keycommands would be the icing on the cake for me!

[Kappi]

i use an open channel with a talkbackmic. It is gated with an downward expander fed by the playback. The louder the music, the lower the talkbackmic.works great for me.
You can still talk in soft passages (intro) and you don't have to push buttons all the time.Also the singer doesn't feel isolated anymore, because it works just seemless.As soon as the tape /playback stops the mic is open.
Otherwise you can use the old smpte-trick, just feed the code in any downwardexpander.
Works also in the analog world. For DAW just record any testtone .
my 2 cents

[illynoise]

Originally Posted by Kappi

i use an open channel with a talkbackmic. It is gated with an downward expander fed by the playback. The louder the music, the lower the talkbackmic.works great for me.
You can still talk in soft passages (intro) and you don't have to push buttons all the time.Also the singer doesn't feel isolated anymore, because it works just seemless.As soon as the tape /playback stops the mic is open.
Otherwise you can use the old smpte-trick, just feed the code in any downwardexpander.
Works also in the analog world. For DAW just record any testtone .
my 2 cents

That wouldn't work for me, most of my clients talk mess about the people who are in the booth and I know that would kill performances. Mostly rap artists.

[Græmatter Audio]

Originally Posted by doorknocker

I use the SPL 2381 Monitor + Talkback controller and it does exactly that.

Ya, the SPL unit is awesome - it's solved problems that I didn't even realize I had until I got it (The slave output is a very handy addition.)

The power of DAW's have made an awful lot of external hardware (both analog & digital) at least redundant if not obsolete ... there are however certain problems that are inherently analog/realtime in nature and are best solved by a dedicated external device - I would put talk-back/monitor control in this category.

G.

[SKyflash34]

If you need an extra input for the TB mic, just setup the internal sound card
(or built in microphone if you have a macbook)as an aggregate audio device.
Assing that channel in Logic and use/buss that in your headphone mix.

[JDinBNA]

In my template,

I have 1 audio track that contains a 200Hz sine wave.
It's just a short bit looped out to 10 minutes or so.

It feeds a bus send, not the main mix.
(I picked the low sine wave over smpte because it really sucks
when you blast it into the singer's ear accidentally)

There's also an aux input track. A old mic on my desk feeds a digi002
input, which heads into the aux track. Next, it hits a compressor key'd
from the sine wave.

The aux track heads out one of the latter digi002 outputs directly into
a knob on the furman headphone station.


Instant, cheap, and beautifully simple..

And, my clients love it..

[Funkster]

this is what I use. BRILLIANT!!!! It works really well. The built in mic works great. Anyone with cans on can hear anyone talking in the control room. simple. easy. two birds with one stone.

Matrix Y - CME Product

[leigh]

For Pro Tools users, Massey has a free talkback plug-in here:

smassey.com

[JDinBNA]

I switched from the sine wave template thing over to the massey talkback plug. works perfectly.

[speerchucker]

This old dog isn't opposed to learning some new tricks, but I don't understand the Massey plugin.

Evidently, it mutes the TB mic when the transport is running. Why the heck would you want that? There are MANY times when I purposely want the mic still open - to count-off a punch-in, to shout encouragement during a vocal space, to cue or direct a narrator during a V-O session.

If I need the TB off, it's not exactly hard to flick the switch. If I need it to be a momentary on, I use the momentary button.

Am I missing something?

[markthompson]

The Massey plug in is handy to have a talkback mic for the talent to communicate with each other. Instead of the players having to step on a footswitch, when "tape" is stopped, they can communicate, when recording or playback it's muted, so the talkback mic from talent doesn't interfere.

Mark
SweetbriarRecording.com
ThompsonMusicRental.com

[PopularDemand]

Originally Posted by computa

not to hijack but someone needs to make an analog summing plugins complete with all the inaccuracies, phase issues, and all other differences between each analog channels that analog folks cling to.

that and a daw maker needs to take that idea a little further and add different types of consoles to their DAW mixers complete with analog inaccuracies.

This guy could have made some money back in 2008 when he posted this idea. It's Slate VCC